In episode 245 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons is joined by legendary climate journalist Jeff Goodell, author of The Heat Will Kill You First: Life and Death on a Scorched Planet for a conversation about what's happened since the book came out — and what hasn't. Extreme heat is no longer a future risk or a background climate issue; it's a present-day killer that exposes deep failures in public health, labor protections, urban design, and climate communication. We also talk about how recent political shifts have pushed the U.S. further backward on heat response, weakening protections and leaving communities more exposed just as the risks accelerate. This isn't a book recap — it's a reckoning with the legacy of the warning, and why heat will still kill first if we keep refusing to take it seriously.

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In episode 244 of America Adapts, we adapt in the southwest! Welcome to the desert proving ground for climate adaptation. In my home state of Arizona—Phoenix, Tucson, and Flagstaff—we get right down on the ground to see how communities are beating extreme heat, planning responsibly for water in a changing climate, and living with wildfire risk without losing what makes these places home. You'll hear street-level fixes that change daily life—and travel anywhere—plus a clear playbook cities can steal now: run the hottest months smarter, put shade where people actually stand and walk, and build the partnerships that keep projects alive. We also spotlight the next wave of adaptation pros coming out of Arizona's universities and city halls—real careers, real impact. If it works in the desert, parts of it can work where you live. Made possible by generous support from the CO2 Foundation.

Experts in this Episode:

• Dr. Ladd Keith – Associate Professor in the School of Landscape Architecture and Planning at the University of Arizona - interview transcript

• Fatima Luna – Chief Resilience Officer City of Tucson - interview transcript

• Blue Baldwin – Storm to Shade Program Manager at Tucson Water for the City of Tucson - interview transcript

• Alekzander Ryan - Heat Resilience Initiative, Southwest Integrated Field Laboratory - interview transcript

• David Hondula - Director of Heat Response and Mitigation for the City of Phoenix - interview transcript

• Ryan Stevens – Engineering manager with the City of Phoenix - interview transcript

• Nicole P. Antonopoulos – Sustainability Director City of Flagstaff Sustainability Office - interview transcript

• Victoria Joseph and Leona Davis - University of Arizona's Institute for Resilience - interview transcript

This episode was generously sponsored by the CO2 Foundation.

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https://www.awwa.org/AWWA-Articles/tucsons-storm-to-shade-program-creates-a-cooler-city/

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https://www.phoenix.gov/administration/departments/heat/heat-response-programs/heat-response-plan.html

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/phoenix-fights-urban-heat-with-expanding-cool-pavement-program-that-lowers-street-temperatures

https://www.phoenix.gov/content/dam/phoenix/oepsite/documents/climate/Heat.CAPWorkshops%202025%20AllSlides.pdf

https://www.coolseal.com/blog/az-family

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In episode 243 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons welcomes back recurring guest and leading adaptation scholar Dr. Jesse M. Keenan to discuss his new book, North: The Future of Post-Climate America (Oxford Univesity Press). Keenan examines how the United States is already changing through mobility, shifting markets, governance pressures, and evolving cultural identities. Doug and Jesse unpack why adaptation is not just a set of technical responses to climate impacts but a broader transformation in how communities understand stability, opportunity, and belonging. They explore the limits of local governments, the growing influence of market-led adaptation, and the emotional and political tensions surrounding places like Florida. The discussion also touches on Keenan's fictional leap into 2079, using storytelling to highlight where current trends may lead. A central theme emerges: adaptation is an emerging sector still defining its identity, and this book offers a way to think more clearly about that evolution. If your work intersects with climate, planning, housing, finance, or governance, this episode offers a fresh lens on what climate adaptation means for America's future.

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In episode 242 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons checks in on FEMA at a moment of rapid change. With funding delays, political uncertainty, and major reforms underway, FEMA's role in national resilience is shifting in real time. Doug speaks with four guests — Joel Scata (NRDC), Michael Coen (former FEMA Chief of Staff), Samantha Medlock (former FEMA Assistant Administrator), and Derrick Hiebert (AECOM) — to unpack what's happening inside the agency, where communities are feeling the impacts, and what potential improvements could emerge from this period of transition. It's a candid, timely look at the future of FEMA and the evolving landscape of climate adaptation in the United States.

Experts in this Episode:

• Joel Scata – Senior Attorney, Environmental Health – Natural Resources Defense Council - transcript

• Michael Coen – Former Chief Of Staff at FEMA - transcript

• Samantha Medlock – Founder and Principal – Climate Risk Advisors - transcript

• Derrick Hiebert – Infrastructure Resilience Practice Leader - AECOM - transcript

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In episode 241 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons explores what happens when federal climate services retreat—and a new adaptation ecosystem rises to fill the gaps. As agencies like NOAA, FEMA, and EPA scale back their climate work, adaptation professionals are turning to emerging climate-service innovators for the tools, data, and guidance they need. We kick off with Dr. Jesse Keenan framing the big-picture implications of this federal pullback, then hear from leaders at Climate.us, EcoAdapt, the Georgetown Climate Center and Probable Futures, who are stepping forward with practical solutions. This episode highlights the essential adaptation tools available right now, the people building them, and why decentralized innovation may be one of the most hopeful developments in the field today.

This episode was generously sponsored by the CO2 Foundation.

Experts in this Episode:

• Dr. Jesse Keenan - Favrot II Associate Professor of Sustainable Real Estate and Urban Planning at Tulane University (transcript)
• Rebecca Lindsey – Editor at Climate.us (transcript)
• Annie Bennett - Associate Director for the Adaptation Program with the Georgetown Climate Center (transcript)
• Alison Smart - Executive Director, Probable Futures (transcript)
• Deb Rudnick, Ph.D. - Senior Scientist at EcoAdapt (transcript)

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In episode 240 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons talks with reporter Terry Jones about the tangled story behind America's first federally funded climate relocation on Louisiana's Isle de Jean Charles. Once hailed as a model for how the nation could move entire communities out of harm's way, the project became mired in politics, confusion, and broken promises. Terry shares what he uncovered on the ground — from residents who never wanted to leave, to state officials unprepared for the task, to the bigger question of whether the U.S. is truly ready for managed retreat. This episode clears up the confusion, revealing what really happened, why it matters, and what the rest of the country can learn before the next community faces these climate impacts.

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In episode 239 of America Adapts, Doug Parsons revisits his conversation with Dr. Katharine Mach, Professor at the University of Miami's Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science and a lead author for the IPCC Sixth Assessment Report. Katharine explains the process of drafting that report and how the media both succeeds and fails at communicating its urgency. Doug and Katharine also discussed the need to rethink the role and purpose of the IPCC as it prepares for its next major assessment—especially now, as the Trump administration dismantles the National Climate Assessment and scales back federal climate programs, making the IPCC's global work more important than ever. That makes the IPCC's independent, global work even more vital—providing the scientific foundation the world, and especially the U.S., still needs to understand and respond to climate risk.

Transcript available here.

Topics covered:

• IPCC is a grand partnership between the governments of the world.
• How did the media do in reporting on the IPCC report?
• The IPCC has zero regulatory authority over sovereign nations.
• What does it mean to be a lead author for the IPCC.
• Many developing countries don't have the climate data and experts that developed countries have.
• How can the IPCC be relevant to adaptation planners in the U.S.
• Who is the audience for the IPCC report and how do you communicate to different audiences.
• How can American policymakers make use of the IPCC report.
• Adaptation education at the University of Miami

Key Quotes:

"Adaptation isn't a checklist—it's a continuous conversation about what kind of future we want."

"Climate risk is always filtered through inequality."

"Transformative adaptation is about changing the rules of the game, not just moving the pieces."

"Science must learn to listen before it speaks."

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https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGII_SummaryForPolicymakers.pdf

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2021/01/The-concept-of-risk-in-the-IPCC-Sixth-Assessment-Report.pdf

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In episode 238 of America Adapts, Doug Parsons takes you inside a CCST webinar that he moderated —part of the California Council on Science and Technology's Climate Change & Human Mobility series, organized with the UC Disaster Resilience Network and UC Berkeley. You'll hear from three experts: Dr. Hélène Benveniste (Assistant Professor, Environmental Social Sciences, Doerr School of Sustainability, Stanford University), Dr. Joshua Busby (Professor of Public Affairs, LBJ School, University of Texas at Austin), and Dr. Barbara F. Walter (Rohr Professor of International Affairs, School of Global Policy & Strategy, UC San Diego). Together, they explore the politics of place attachment, the limits of "climate haven" narratives, and the policies that can turn hard choices into durable, just resilience. We also dig into how climate stress can heighten the risk of civil conflict under certain economic and governance conditions, and why national adaptation plans need to account for mobility—designing for relocation, receiving communities, and security implications alongside equity and long-term planning.

Episode Transcript

2025 EXPERT PANEL SERIES #1 Climate Change Human Mobility #1: Risks|Displacement|Community Impacthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5UZ_UtiD-E

2025 EXPERT PANEL SERIES #2: Housing Costs, Insurance Rates, and Rebuilding After Disastershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zs3GrV5zmQ

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In episode 237 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons talks with Dr. Andrew Rumbach of the Urban Institute, who went to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina to work on recovery and has spent his career studying disasters and resilience. They discuss Katrina's enduring legacy—what's been fixed, what remains broken, and what's now under assault. Andrew shares insights on how FEMA has evolved since 2005, where bipartisan reforms have emerged even in a hostile political climate, and whether the country is truly ready for the next major storm. He also highlights five powerful documentaries that capture Katrina's human and political dimensions, offering listeners new ways to understand both the storm and its aftermath. This conversation looks back at Katrina not only as a past tragedy but as a warning for our uncertain future. Twenty years after Hurricane Katrina, its lessons still shape how America thinks about disasters.

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In episode 236 of America Adapts, we're heading to coastal Maine — a place where science, community, and nature all come together to tackle climate change. Adaptation doesn't just happen on its own. It takes data, observation, and sometimes years of research to generate the science that guides decisions. That science is often messy, imperfect, but it's the foundation for every smart adaptation. Effective adaptation requires partnerships. As you will hear, in Maine, you'll find scientists, historians, local communities, and institutions like the Schoodic Institute working side by side. And it's not just about Acadia National Park — the lessons and approaches being tested here have implications far beyond Maine's rocky shores. In this podcast, you'll hear how these partners are mapping mudflats, tracking rockweed, digging into history, and asking hard questions about how to connect science with the urgent work of building resilience. This is the story of the science behind adaptation — and the unique role Maine plays in showing what's possible.

This episode was generously sponsored by the Schoodic Institute.

Experts in this Episode:

• Dr. Nick Fisichelli – President and CEO of Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview
• Dr. Chris Nadeau – Climate Change Adaptation Scientist at Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview
• Dr. Hannah Webber - Marine Ecology Director at Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview
• David Manski – Vice-chair of the Board at Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview
• Lauren Gibson - Wild Acadia Coordinator at Friends of Acadia - transcript of interview
• Raney Bench - Executive Director at the Mt. Desert Island Historic Society - transcript of interview
• Catherine Schmitt - Science Communication Specialist at Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview
• Julia Rush - Cathy and Jim Gero Acadia Early-Career Fellow in Science Communication at Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview - transcript of interview
• Gillian Audier- Cathy and Jim Gero Acadia Early-Career Fellow in Science Research at Schoodic Institute - transcript of interview

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Landscape of Change https://mdihistory.org/landscape-of-change

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Acadia National Parkhttps://www.nps.gov/acad/index.htm

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