This week on The Follow Up, Bill, Jeff, and Jack go deeper into The Gospel of John chapter 3—looking at Nicodemus, what it really means to be “born again,” and why John the Baptist’s words “He must increase, I must decrease” are still radically countercultural.

They explore the difference between rule-keeping and true transformation, talk through how faith grows over a lifetime, and share some behind-the-scenes insight into how pastors choose sermon illustrations that make Scripture stick.

🎧 Listen in for a thoughtful, honest, and practical conversation about faith, humility, and what it means to let Jesus take center stage in our lives.