“You're going to spend, if you're lucky, a quarter or a third of your life ‘in menopause.’ And we need dialogue about it. We need to talk about it.”

Angela Garbes returns to explore the pains and delights of middle age. Angela schools us on the sex lives of menopausal orcas, why Carl Jung wants us all to become more selfish as we age, and her pitch for a rebrand of the “crone” stage.

Links:

* Angela in Romper on The Morning Rush

* Angela’s Guardian column, Halfway There

* Angela’s great books, Essential Labor and Like a Mother

* Angela on Substack

* ESPRIT nostalgia

* Courtney Martin on aging parents

* Katie Kitamura’s Audition

* Jung and Aging

* All Fours

* Flash Count Diary

* Dying For Sex

* Watch Angela’s Guest-Curated series on Mid-life at the Seattle Public Library

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