Sun-Times City Hall reporter Fran Spielman and criminal justice reporter Tom Shuba, welcome Anthony Driver, president of the Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability. Driver addresses recent criticisms from Andrea Kirsten, outgoing chief administrator of Chicago's Civilian Office of Police Accountability (COPA), who resigned amidst allegations of misconduct and internal turmoil at COPA. Driver discusses the investigations into COPA, the conflict of interest with the city's law department, and the broader systemic failures within the city of Chicago's government that affect police accountability.