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Welcome to PICU Doc On Call, A Podcast Dedicated to Current and Aspiring Intensivists.
I'm Pradip Kamat coming to you from Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta/Emory University School of Medicine
and I'm Rahul Damania from Cleveland Clinic Children’s Hospital. We are two Pediatric ICU physicians passionate about all things MED-ED in the PICU. PICU Doc on Call focuses on interesting PICU cases & management in the acute care pediatric setting so let’s get into our episode:
In today's episode, we discuss about a 12-year-old male with lethargy after ingestion.
Here's the case presented by Rahul:
A 12-year-old male is found unresponsive at home. He was previously well and has no relevant past medical history. The mother states that he was recently in an argument with his sister and thought he was going into his room to “have some space.” The mother noticed the patient was in his room for about 1 hour. After coming into the room she noticed him drooling, minimally responsive, and cold to the touch. The patient was noted to be moaning in pain pointing to his abdomen and breathing fast. Dark red vomitus was surrounding the patient. The mother called 911 as she was concerned about his neurological state. With 911 on the way, the mother noticed a set of empty vitamins next to the patient. She noted that these were the iron pills the patient’s sister was on for anemia. EMS arrives for acute stabilization, and the patient is brought to the ED. En route, serum glucose was normal. The patient presents to the ED with hypothermia, tachycardia, tachypnea, and hypertension. His GCS is 8, he has poor peripheral perfusion and a diffusely tender abdomen. He continues to have hematemesis and is intubated for airway protection along with declining neurological status. After resuscitation, he presents to the Pediatric ICU. Upon intubation, an arterial blood gas is drawn. His pH is 7.22/34/110/-6 — serum HCO3 is 16, and his AG is elevated.
To summarize key elements from this case, this patient has:
We will use a physiologic approach to cover this topic!
These subtleties are important physiological considerations as you trend blood gasses. For example, if you have a venous blood gas of 7.32, on the arterial side, it may be correlated to 7.35. Similarly on the venous side if you have a CO2 of 48, on the arterial side, this value may be about 5 mmHg lower, so around 43.
Rahul, we mentioned that prior to chasing gasses, it is important to assess the patient’s clinical state. Can you comment on this a bit further?
Yes, so the key here is that various signs and symptoms often provide clues regarding the underlying acid–base disorder; these include the patient’s vital signs (which may indicate shock or sepsis), neurologic state, pulmonary status (respiratory rate and presence or absence of Kussmaul respiration), and gastrointestinal symptoms (vomiting and diarrhea). We saw some of these in our case. We should also take into account any medications that affect acid–base balance in our assessment of acute acid-base changes. Relevant medications include laxatives, diuretics, topiramate, etc. Also, watch for specific ingestions such as methanol for example which can cause blindness.
As we dive into the various disorders, can you frame an approach to acid base blood gas interpretation?
Here are 3 steps:
Establish the primary acid base abnormality — are we dealing with an acidemia or alkalemia.Establish what value correlates with the primary acid base disorder:
CO2 HCO3
For example, when you diagnose an acidemia, a metabolic acidosis is characterized by a low serum HCO3. Also, it is important to note for each 10 mmHg pCO2, pH falls by 0.08 units.
Assess for compensation:
Yes, I think this point of compensation is important to note especially when assessing for mixed disorders. If we take for example an acute respiratory acidosis, the normal compensatory response to acute respiratory acidosis is an increase in the serum HCO3 concentration by approximately 1 mEq/L for every 10 mmHg elevation in the PCO2. When the respiratory acidosis persists for more than three to five days, the HCO3 increases by approximately 3.5 to 5 mEq/L for every 10 mmHg elevation in the PCO2.
Important to note, with the exception of chronic respiratory alkalosis and mild to moderate respiratory acidosis compensatory responses do not usually return the arterial pH to normal.
Yes, in fact, in contrast with older data, data from more recent studies indicate that the pH in chronic respiratory acidosis may be normal and, in individual cases, higher than generally recognized (pH >7.40).
Let’s revisit our index case to review the acid base disturbance. Do you mind refreshing our memory on his initial ABG?
Rahul, take us through the step-wise approach:
What is Winter’s formula?
The patient had an anion gap metabolic acidosis, can you tell us a bit more about what is the anion gap?
Now Rahul, let's say we have a patient with hypoalbuminemia, would this affect the anion gap?
With a metabolic acidosis, think about two things, calculate anion gap & the Winter’s formula for compensation.
Clinically, what would be a good differential to keep in mind for an elevated anion gap metabolic acidosis?
Lactic acidosis is frequently encountered in the pediatric intensive care setting. It is one of our most common causes of an elevated anion gap metabolic acidosis and in general indicates poor oxygen delivery, mitochondrial paralysis, or increased oxygen consumption. Please review our podcast entitled oxygen delivery to review this foundational PICU concept.
Important to note, because iron does not bind to activated charcoal, GI decontamination for acute iron poisoning consists of whole-bowel irrigation (WBI) and, rarely, orogastric lavage via upper endoscopy. The severity of disease can be guided based on plain abdominal radiographs. In most patients, the risk of gastric lavage following iron overdose outweighs the limited benefit.
We talked about a wide breadth of topics today! Let's summarize…
Key objective takeaways:
This concludes our episode on the approach to acid base disorders. We hope you found value in our short, case-based podcast. We welcome you to share your feedback, subscribe & place a review on our podcast! Please visit our website picudoconcall.org which showcases our episodes as well as our Doc on Call management cards. PICU Doc on Call is co-hosted by myself Dr. Pradip Kamat and Dr. Rahul Damania. Stay tuned for our next episode! Thank you!
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Welcome to PICU Doc On Call, A Podcast Dedicated to Current and Aspiring Intensivists.
I'm Pradip Kamat coming to you from Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta/Emory University School of Medicine
and I'm Rahul Damania from Cleveland Clinic Children’s Hospital. We are two Pediatric ICU physicians passionate about all things MED-ED in the PICU. PICU Doc on Call focuses on interesting PICU cases & management in the acute care pediatric setting so let’s get into our episode:
In today's episode, we discuss about a 12-year-old male with lethargy after ingestion.
Here's the case presented by Rahul:
A 12-year-old male is found unresponsive at home. He was previously well and has no relevant past medical history. The mother states that he was recently in an argument with his sister and thought he was going into his room to “have some space.” The mother noticed the patient was in his room for about 1 hour. After coming into the room she noticed him drooling, minimally responsive, and cold to the touch. The patient was noted to be moaning in pain pointing to his abdomen and breathing fast. Dark red vomitus was surrounding the patient. The mother called 911 as she was concerned about his neurological state. With 911 on the way, the mother noticed a set of empty vitamins next to the patient. She noted that these were the iron pills the patient’s sister was on for anemia. EMS arrives for acute stabilization, and the patient is brought to the ED. En route, serum glucose was normal. The patient presents to the ED with hypothermia, tachycardia, tachypnea, and hypertension. His GCS is 8, he has poor peripheral perfusion and a diffusely tender abdomen. He continues to have hematemesis and is intubated for airway protection along with declining neurological status. After resuscitation, he presents to the Pediatric ICU. Upon intubation, an arterial blood gas is drawn. His pH is 7.22/34/110/-6 — serum HCO3 is 16, and his AG is elevated.
To summarize key elements from this case, this patient has:
We will use a physiologic approach to cover this topic!
These subtleties are important physiological considerations as you trend blood gasses. For example, if you have a venous blood gas of 7.32, on the arterial side, it may be correlated to 7.35. Similarly on the venous side if you have a CO2 of 48, on the arterial side, this value may be about 5 mmHg lower, so around 43.
Rahul, we mentioned that prior to chasing gasses, it is important to assess the patient’s clinical state. Can you comment on this a bit further?
Yes, so the key here is that various signs and symptoms often provide clues regarding the underlying acid–base disorder; these include the patient’s vital signs (which may indicate shock or sepsis), neurologic state, pulmonary status (respiratory rate and presence or absence of Kussmaul respiration), and gastrointestinal symptoms (vomiting and diarrhea). We saw some of these in our case. We should also take into account any medications that affect acid–base balance in our assessment of acute acid-base changes. Relevant medications include laxatives, diuretics, topiramate, etc. Also, watch for specific ingestions such as methanol for example which can cause blindness.
As we dive into the various disorders, can you frame an approach to acid base blood gas interpretation?
Here are 3 steps:
Establish the primary acid base abnormality — are we dealing with an acidemia or alkalemia.Establish what value correlates with the primary acid base disorder:
CO2 HCO3
For example, when you diagnose an acidemia, a metabolic acidosis is characterized by a low serum HCO3. Also, it is important to note for each 10 mmHg pCO2, pH falls by 0.08 units.
Assess for compensation:
Yes, I think this point of compensation is important to note especially when assessing for mixed disorders. If we take for example an acute respiratory acidosis, the normal compensatory response to acute respiratory acidosis is an increase in the serum HCO3 concentration by approximately 1 mEq/L for every 10 mmHg elevation in the PCO2. When the respiratory acidosis persists for more than three to five days, the HCO3 increases by approximately 3.5 to 5 mEq/L for every 10 mmHg elevation in the PCO2.
Important to note, with the exception of chronic respiratory alkalosis and mild to moderate respiratory acidosis compensatory responses do not usually return the arterial pH to normal.
Yes, in fact, in contrast with older data, data from more recent studies indicate that the pH in chronic respiratory acidosis may be normal and, in individual cases, higher than generally recognized (pH >7.40).
Let’s revisit our index case to review the acid base disturbance. Do you mind refreshing our memory on his initial ABG?
Rahul, take us through the step-wise approach:
What is Winter’s formula?
The patient had an anion gap metabolic acidosis, can you tell us a bit more about what is the anion gap?
Now Rahul, let's say we have a patient with hypoalbuminemia, would this affect the anion gap?
With a metabolic acidosis, think about two things, calculate anion gap & the Winter’s formula for compensation.
Clinically, what would be a good differential to keep in mind for an elevated anion gap metabolic acidosis?
Lactic acidosis is frequently encountered in the pediatric intensive care setting. It is one of our most common causes of an elevated anion gap metabolic acidosis and in general indicates poor oxygen delivery, mitochondrial paralysis, or increased oxygen consumption. Please review our podcast entitled oxygen delivery to review this foundational PICU concept.
Important to note, because iron does not bind to activated charcoal, GI decontamination for acute iron poisoning consists of whole-bowel irrigation (WBI) and, rarely, orogastric lavage via upper endoscopy. The severity of disease can be guided based on plain abdominal radiographs. In most patients, the risk of gastric lavage following iron overdose outweighs the limited benefit.
We talked about a wide breadth of topics today! Let's summarize…
Key objective takeaways:
This concludes our episode on the approach to acid base disorders. We hope you found value in our short, case-based podcast. We welcome you to share your feedback, subscribe & place a review on our podcast! Please visit our website picudoconcall.org which showcases our episodes as well as our Doc on Call management cards. PICU Doc on Call is co-hosted by myself Dr. Pradip Kamat and Dr. Rahul Damania. Stay tuned for our next episode! Thank you!
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