Ascend - The Great Books Podcast

By Harrison Garlick and Adam Minihan

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Number 1: Intro to the Odyssey with Dr. Patrick Deneen and Dr. Chad Pecknold (2024)
For the first time since 2023, Ascend is reposting an episode--our introduction to the Odyssey with Dr. Patrick Deneen (6.25.2024) in anticipation of our NEW 12-WEEK STUDY of the Odyssey starting next week! We start BOOK ONE OF THE ODYSSEY next week! Check us out on X, Facebook, Instagram, and more! In this special introduction to Homer’s Odyssey, Deacon Harrison Garlick is joined by three distinguished guests: Dr. Patrick Deneen (Professor of Political Science at Notre Dame and author of Why Liberalism Failed), Dr. Chad Pecknold (Associate Professor of Systematic Theology at The Catholic University of America), and Dr. Richard Meloche (then President of the Alcuin Institute for Catholic Culture). The conversation explores why the Great Books matter, why Homer’s Odyssey remains foundational to Western thought and theological formation, and key introductory themes in the epic (with a few light spoilers). Topics include the dynamic nature of the canon, Odysseus’s journey home as a meditation on human nature (neither beast nor god), the tension between fate and choice, temptations of forgetfulness or false immortality, and how a Catholic lens reveals anticipations of Christian truths like restlessness for our true home. The guests share personal stories of how they encountered the Great Books and reflect on the role of narrative in education and spiritual formation. It’s a rich, accessible discussion that sets the stage for deeper dives into the Odyssey while connecting ancient pagan wisdom to Christian theology. In this episode the panel discusses: • The importance of the Great Books canon and why it remains vital • Personal journeys into the classics (and how providence often leads us there) • Key themes in the Odyssey: homecoming, beast-like forgetfulness vs. god-like immortality, fate and free choice, father-son relationships, and Odysseus’s very human flaws • Reading pagan texts through a Catholic lens—seeing anticipations of Christian truth (restlessness for the City of God, the need for virtue and community) • The role of great stories in theological and liberal education Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome and guest introductions 08:15 – How each guest discovered the Great Books 22:40 – Why read Homer? The foundational role of the Odyssey 40:00 – Major themes and introductory overview of the Odyssey (light spoilers) 1:05:00 – Odysseus as neither beast nor god – the need for the city 1:25:30 – Theological reading of pagan literature 1:45:00 – The dynamic canon and reading with Christian eyes 2:05:00 – Final thoughts and what’s next for Ascend Join us as we read the Odyssey over the next 12 weeks!
April 21, 20261h 7min
Number 2: Enduring Chill by Flannery O'Connor with Dr. Joseph Boyne
Today on Ascend: The Great Books Podcast, Dcn. Garlick is joined by Dr. Joseph Boyne to discuss Flannery O'Connor's "Enduring Chill" as part of Short Story September. Visit thegreatbookspodcast.com for our reading schedule, articles, and a whole host of written guides. Asbury Fox, the failed New York writer who returns home to his mother’s dairy farm convinced he is dying a tragic, Kafka-esque death, meets a rural doctor, two farmhands who refuse to share his resentment, and a deaf, one-eyed priest from Purrgatory who simply walks him through the Baltimore Catechism. What begins as another Southern Gothic confrontation with pride becomes something rarer in O’Connor: a dark comedy in which the protagonist desires of a romantic death are met with an enduring chill. Dr. Boyne and Dcn. Garlick draw out the story’s autobiographical shadows, its critique of performative liberalism and abstract love of humanity, and the way O’Connor uses both the Jesuit in New York and the homely Father Finn to insist that meaning—and grace—cannot be manufactured from the self. The conversation lingers on the water-stain dove that descends as ice rather than fire, the question of whether the tale is comic or merely purgatorial, and what it means for those of us who prize the Great Books that education, by itself, is never enough. Listeners who have been scarred by “The Lame Shall Enter First” will find this one far easier to finish—and far more unsettling in its quiet demand that we keep living. Chapters 00:05 — Podcast intro and the reading plan for Short Story September 01:01 — Introducing Enduring Chill and Dr. Joseph Boyne 03:21 — Why Dr. Boyne picked the story 05:00 — Flannery O’Connor and the Southern Gothic tradition 12:55 — The grotesque, violence, and grace in O’Connor 20:32 — Asbury returns home and the education theme 30:30 — Asbury’s desire for a meaningful death and the Jesuit in New York 41:42 — Dr. Block and Asbury’s confrontation with illness 50:00 — The dairy farm, the black workers, and failed communion 57:13 — Asking for a priest and the dream sequence 70:29 — Father Finn arrives and subverts Asbury’s expectations 80:31 — Randall and Morgan return 85:34 — Dr. Block diagnoses the illness correctly 87:40 — Final scene: the Holy Ghost in ice and the enduring chill 96:23 — Closing reflections on O’Connor and the story’s meaning Keywords Flannery O’Connor The Enduring Chill short story analysis, Ascend the Great Books Podcast Short Story September episode with Deacon Harrison Garlick and Dr. Joseph Boyne of Tulsa Community College, Southern Gothic literature, Catholic short stories, Christ-haunted South, Asbury Fox character study, Jesuit priest Ignatius Vogle, Father Finn from Purgatory, Baltimore Catechism, Holy Spirit as ice instead of fire, undulant fever raw milk irony, performative liberalism and racial condescension, education versus practical wisdom, grotesque as medium of grace, O’Connor comedy versus tragedy, Good Country People comparison, lupus and autobiographical elements, Great Books education critique, upcoming Plato Republic series, Robert E. Howard Red Shadows Solomon Kane, Neil Gaiman Chivalry with Archduke Eduard Habsburg, Herman Melville Bartleby the Scrivener.
September 01, 20261h 41min
Number 3: Plato's Lovers with Dr. Larson and Dr. Grabowski
Today on Ascend: The Great Books Podcast, Dcn. Garlick, Dr. Larson, and Dr. Grabowski discuss Plato's Lovers--a strange, short, and somewhat forgotten dialogue seeking the definition of philosophy. We are celebrating ONE YEAR of our sister-company, The Ascent, a top 100 Substack on Christian spirituality. Check out our WRITTEN GUIDE to the Lovers. Plato’s Lovers is a short, strange, and easily overlooked dialogue that asks one of the most important questions in the entire Platonic corpus: What is philosophy? Set in a grammar school where two rival older lovers—one an athlete, the other a cultured “know-it-all”—compete for the attention of younger boys discussing astronomy, the conversation quickly becomes an erotic and educational contest. Socrates enters the scene and quietly reorders the loves on display, showing that philosophy is not the accumulation of many things, that self-knowledge must come before any claim to rule, and that the true lover of the young is the one who leads their souls toward wisdom. In this episode of Ascend, Dcn. Garlick is joined by Dr. Grabowski and Dr. Larson to unpack the dialogue’s subtle images of the soul, its playful yet serious treatment of eros, and its surprising role as an appetizer for the Republic. The accompanying written guide offers a clear outline, preliminary questions, and dense Q&A—perfect for first-time readers, small groups, or anyone who wants to follow the argument more carefully. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Plato's 'The Lovers' 02:07 The setting and context of the dialogue 06:19 Who is the dialogue for? Audience and purpose 11:12 The erotic dimension of philosophy and education 16:10 The strangeness of the dialogue's setting 22:02 What is philosophy? The first definitions 27:36 The analogy of athletic training and measured learning 37:25 Usefulness, goodness, and self-knowledge 41:11 The political implications and the role of the philosopher 50:11 The dramatic and rhetorical aspects of the dialogue 57:32 The aporetic ending and its significance Keywords Plato’s Lovers, Rival Lovers, Erastai, what is philosophy, polymathy, much learning, Socratic dialogue, aporetic dialogue, forgotten Platonic dialogues, eros, erotic education, true love of the soul, tripartite soul, music and gymnastics, mousikē, gymnastikē, self-knowledge, know thyself, Socrates as third lover, Dionysius grammar school, anonymity in Plato, via negativa, aporia, preparation for the Republic, Dr. Frank Grabowski, Dr. Brett Larson, Ascend the Great Books Podcast, Platonic education, philosophy and politics, soul craft before statecraft.
August 11, 20261h 2min
Number 4: The Odyssey Books 6-8 with Dr. Frank Grabowski
Today on Ascend: The Great Books Podcast, Dcn. Harrison Garlick and Dr. Frank Grabowski discussing Books 6-8 of the Odyssey discussing Odysseus' time with the Phaeacians. Check our our WRITTEN GUIDE to the Odyssey. 10 Reasons to Read the Odyssey (The Ascent) Why Odysseus Refused to Become a God (The Ascent) Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Odyssey and the Phaeacians 10:45 The Nature of the Phaeacians 16:38 The Role of Rhetoric in Nausicaa's Character 22:41 Cultural Norms and Guest Friendship 28:23 Marriage Motifs and Political Wisdom 34:09 Nausicaa as a Symbol of Virtue 43:06 Odysseus and the Gods: A Growing Understanding 48:53 The Unique Role of Women in Homeric Epics 52:02 The Complexity of Guest Friendship 57:25 Divine Intervention: The Role of the Gods 01:02:24 Marriage Proposals: Naivety or Strategy? 01:04:53 Cultural Embarrassment: Odysseus's Maturity 01:08:52 Exploring the Human Side of Heroes 01:09:55 The Complexity of Virtue in Homer 01:10:50 Beauty and Political Instability 01:11:35 Marriage Proposals and Hidden Identities 01:11:58 Odysseus' Response to Offers of Hospitality 01:13:35 Cultural Insights from the Phaeacians 01:15:08 The Nature of Athleticism and War Games 01:16:44 The Role of the Bard in Storytelling 01:18:32 Odysseus' Emotional Depth and Vulnerability 01:19:44 Guest Friendship and Reciprocity 01:21:38 Odysseus' Identity and the Stakes of Revelation 01:24:07 The Bard's Song and Its Implications 01:25:59 Craft vs. Strength: Lessons for Odysseus 01:30:09 Adultery and Its Consequences in Homeric Society 01:31:15 The Warning Embedded in the Bard's Tale 01:34:10 Nausicaa's Role and the Theme of Marriage 01:37:04 Odysseus Weeping: A Complex Hero 01:40:45 The Final Ask: Identity and Storytelling 01:42:13 Prophecies and Their Consequences 01:45:10 Narrative Structure and the Art of Storytelling Book 6 Summary Odysseus washes ashore on the island of the Phaeacians. Athena appears to Princess Nausicaa in a dream and inspires her to go wash clothes at the river with her handmaids. Odysseus awakens, naked and brine-covered, and approaches the princess cautiously. He flatters her with rhetorical skill (comparing her to Artemis), requests aid without grasping her knees, and bathes privately. Nausicaa, showing courage, wit, and political savvy, provides him clothes, food, and careful instructions on how to approach the palace and supplicate her mother, Queen Arete, while avoiding gossip. The book ends with Odysseus praying to Athena in a sacred grove. Book 7 Summary Guided invisibly by Athena, Odysseus enters the splendid, utopian palace of King Alcinous and Queen Arete. He supplicates the queen as instructed, pleading for passage home. The court is initially stunned into silence until an elder prompts hospitality. Odysseus is bathed, feasted, and given a seat of honor. Queen Arete recognizes her daughter’s clothing and questions him; he recounts his arrival but omits some divine help. King Alcinous offers generous hospitality, promises to convey him home, and even subtly proposes marriage to Nausicaa (which Odysseus sidesteps). The Phaeacians are portrayed as peaceful, technologically advanced, and god-kin, living in an Edenic setting. Book 8 Summary The next day features athletic games, feasting, and bardic performance. A young Phaeacian (Broadsea) taunts Odysseus, prompting him to compete and win the discus throw, demonstrating his prowess. The bard Demodocus sings of the Trojan War (stirring Odysseus to tears) and the comic adultery of Ares and Aphrodite (trapped by Hephaestus’s craft), which Odysseus enjoys. More gifts and dancing follow. Nausicaa bids Odysseus a quiet, flirtatious farewell. Alcinous finally asks his name, setting up the hero’s full tale in the next books. The episode underscores themes of hospitality, craft over brute strength, and Odysseus’s emotional vulnerability. Check out our 2024 playlist on the Odyssey too! Keywords Odyssey Books 6-8 summary, Odyssey Books 6-8 analysis, Nausicaa and Odysseus, Phaeacians Homer, King Alcinous Queen Arete, Nausicaa beach scene, Odysseus Nausicaa temptation, guest friendship xenia Odyssey, Phaeacian utopia, Homer Odyssey podcast, Ascend Great Books Odyssey, Odysseus Nausicaa rhetorical exchange, Hephaestus Aphrodite song Odyssey, Odysseus weeping simile, Odysseus Alcinous marriage proposal, Phaeacian ships technology, Calypso vs Nausicaa, Odyssey Book 8 games bard, Odysseus craft over strength, Deacon Harrison Garlick Odyssey, Frank Grabowski Odyssey, Porch and Altar Substack.
May 19, 20261h 49min
Number 5: The Odyssey Book 5 with Dr. Glenn Arbery and Dr. Frank Grabowski
Odysseus rejects becoming a god... why? Today on Ascend: The Great Books Podcast, Dcn. Harrison Garlick is joined by Dr. Glenn Arbery of Wyoming Catholic College and Dr. Frank Grabowski of Holy Family Classical School to discuss BOOK FIVE of the Odyssey--arguably one of the important passages in the entire Odyssey and in the Western canon. Check out Ascend on X, Facebook, Instagram, and Patreon. Check out our written study guide to the Odyssey! Odysseus is offered everything a man could desire: immortality, endless pleasure, and the love of the goddess Calypso on her enchanted island. Yet he refuses, choosing instead the path of suffering, homecoming, and humanity. The conversation unpacks why Odysseus weeps on the shore despite his Edenic surroundings, the deeper meaning of his refusal, and the timeless question Homer poses to every listener: Would you say no to immortal pleasure? The scholars dive into rich themes—Odysseus’s interior dialogue with his own thumos (spirit), the contrast between Calypso’s cave and rocky Ithaca, the subtle work of the gods and fate, and striking antecedents to Platonic psychology. With insightful close readings, connections to the Iliad, and reflections on identity, place, and human flourishing, this discussion transforms a single book into a meditation on what truly makes life worth living. Whether you’re new to Homer or revisiting the epic, this episode will leave you eager for more. Highly recommended for anyone who loves great books, philosophy, or wrestling with life’s biggest questions. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Ascend and the Great Books 04:13 Exploring the Odyssey: Book Five 09:41 Athena's Plea and Zeus's Response 23:53 Odysseus on Calypso's Island: A Study of Contrast 34:43 The Choice of Immortality: Odysseus's Dilemma 39:32 The Identity of Odysseus: Suffering and Immortality 41:02 The Nature of Human Desire and Fulfillment 42:56 The Dilemma of Odysseus: Choices and Consequences 45:14 The Complexity of Fidelity: Odysseus and the Goddesses 48:09 Homer's Moral Landscape: Understanding Odysseus 51:14 The Role of Place in Identity and Homecoming 54:05 The Symbolism of Clothing: Calypso vs. Nausicaa 01:09:40 The Wrath of Poseidon: Odysseus's Struggles at Sea 01:13:35 The Inner Dialogue of Odysseus: Heart and Mind 01:17:23 The Weight of Time and Suffering 01:20:04 The Complexity of Divine Intervention 01:22:21 Agency and Internal Dialogue 01:25:20 Mortality and Immortality: The Role of Women 01:29:10 Navigating Divine Guidance 01:31:20 The Human Experience and Divine Learning 01:33:56 The Journey to the Shore: A Symbol of Rebirth 01:40:05 The Significance of the Olive Tree 01:43:41 The Transformation of Odysseus Keywords: Odyssey Book 5, Book Five of the Odyssey, Odysseus Calypso, Odysseus refuses immortality, Homer Odyssey Book 5, Calypso's island, why does Odysseus refuse immortality, Odysseus choice Calypso, Homer Odyssey analysis, Ascend the Great Books, Odysseus thumos, Platonic soul Homer, Odysseus homecoming, fate Zeus Odyssey, Odysseus rebirth, Calypso pleasure island, great books podcast Odyssey Be sure to check out our Odyssey episodes from 2024 too!
May 12, 20261h 49min