Astrid Stuckelberger is an international health scientist with more than 25 years of experience behind her.

But the part I like is that she has also worked for the World Health Organisation (WHO) for many years, and has an intricate understanding of how the organisation operates.

She joined me for a truncated conversation about the WHO's Pandemic Treaty and why it is extremely dangerous for everybody.

Her referenced document can be found at my website.

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