Jerusalem Demsas is one of Cardiff’s favorite econ and housing journalists, a previous New Bazaar guest, and now the founder and editor of The Argument, a new magazine dedicated to making “a positive, combative case for liberalism through sharp, well-argued opinion pieces, original reporting, and multimedia content that confronts the illiberal drift in our politics.” 

Jerusalem and Cardiff discuss: 

• Her meaning of liberalism
• How (if?) persuasion works 
• The politics of immigration and why it matters for the economy 
• Drawing lines vs reaching across them
• If Twitter really is “acid on community” 
• How to societally deal with short-form video addiction…
• … and how Jerusalem broke her own TikTok problem
• Why asking if something is cringe is itself the most cringe 

Finally, Jerusalem makes Cardiff look and feel super old when his reference to Reality Bites flies right by her. They close by reflecting on a hopeful trend. 

Related links: 

• The Argument
• On the Housing Crisis (Jerusalem’s book of essays)
• Ezra Klein’s podcast interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates