“For example, like, even commercials, there’s that one commercial for the Indian casinos. And my wife loves the song, and she knows it’s actually a singer that’s produced it. And she always thinks about that casino, you know, she doesn’t gamble, but every time she hears that song, it goes back to that feeling like, oh yeah, it’s about the good time. It’s about, you know, gambling, right? So now we’re moving to association. So, the sound has a lot of association to, um, that, to that ‘expectation’ or the actual experience itself.” – Howard Lim

This episode’s guest is an award-winning business and brand architect who designs businesses from the inside out. He’s a disruptive innovator who shifts paradigms, and his boutique, full-service firm, How Creative, partners with business owners worldwide to develop and execute world-class, leading businesses and authentic brands. He’s been a highly sought-after speaker, author, and organization advisor for over thirty-five years, and he’s represented everyone from emerging entrepreneurs to established Fortune 100 companies, including Apple, Disney, Paramount, Xerox, Oracle, Cirque du Soleil, Mattel, AT&T, and HP. His contributions have added billions to clients’ profits while increasing both brand value and company equity.

His name is Howard Lim, and in this discussion, we’ll be getting his perspective on how the large companies he’s worked with are using sound for better brand recognition and to make deeper connections with their potential clients. We’ll also find out where he thinks companies could take this into the future. Things are changing fast these days, so keep listening so you can learn what you can do to keep ahead of the game.

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(0:00:01) - Influencing Branding Through Sonic Sound

The first half of our conversation starts as Howard shares what a childhood crush and a memorable Bob Dylan song taught him about the power of sound. “Every time I heard that song it put me back in that space and that time and that exact location,” he says. “So music has definitely influenced my experiences and my memories.” Our discussion turns to his recent work with retailers in creating the right soundscape, and he tells us more about the subtle, almost subliminal, impressions that sound can make on shoppers. “A lot of people confuse marketing, for example, with branding, and marketing is much more tactical,” Howard explains. “It happens on a subconscious level. They might not think that they’re ready for it, but believe me, it’s happening to them. They’re just unaware of it.”

(0:15:24) - Challenges With Dialogue in Surround Sound

We talk about the recent trend toward over-mixing audio in cinema, and Howard points out the trouble with relying too much on Foley effects and post-production. “They didn’t figure to, like, edit a certain part of the dialogue,” he notes, “so some of it gets static and it’s like, why is it staticky? Obviously, someone didn’t work on that part of the dialogue, that segment of the dialogue, and you can really hear the difference.” He does share one experience with sound that’s stood the test of time. “I’ve never heard a concert sound so good,” Howard recalls a recent Rolling Stones concert, “because Mick Jagger’s voice was crystal clear, like, it wasn’t overrun by the tone of the instruments. But the volume was there when it came to the music, and it was, like, it was so well done. It blew me away.”

(0:18:51) - Sound Mixing Complexity in Cinemas

As the first part of our discussion comes to a close, the topic turns to how modern sound systems and advances in audio can actually get in the way of making a good sonic impression. “It gets more complicated, more integrated,” he says, “as far as separating things out, the sound versus the dialogue, as the stereo systems get more complex with the amount of speakers you could attach.”

Episode Summary

• The profound impact of music and sound on branding, marketing, and consumer behavior.
• How modern sound mixing is working to catch up with the latest technology.
• The challenge of getting the right mix in different settings, from concerts to IMAX.

Tune in for part two of our conversation as we talk about building a brand personality with the right audio design, how insurance companies helped blazed a trail with such figures as Flo and the Gecko, and the work that goes into choosing the right sounds, inside and out, in electric vehicles.

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“It’s one of the rare things. I know, Jodi, you know it ‘cause you’re, you’re literally like an ambassador of Podfest, but, um, it’s unusual when you share it with people like, ‘hey, the education could be some of the best you’ve ever seen.’ And they’re like, ‘Oh, okay. I hear that all the time.’ It’s like, no, no, no. People prepare all year to showcase what they’ve got at Podfest. So, it is an embarrassment of riches, which I’m really blessed that, I would say, 90%, you know, you can’t hit a hundred all the time, but I would say nine out of ten are just stellar. And then there are people we give a shot to, and then we give them feedback after. But overall, our batting average is pretty high as far as the quality of the content you’re going to get at Podfest.” – Chris Krimitsos

This episode is the second half of my conversation with producer, speaker, and Podfest founder Chris Krimitsos as we talk about Podfest’s transformation from a local community event into a worldwide convention and virtual conference, how to balance video content and audio-first audiences when it comes to podcasting, and the impact digital audio’s made on his life and his family.

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(0:00:01) - Podfest and Public Speaking Experiences

The second half of our conversation starts as Chris recalls how the pandemic helped Podfest set a world record for virtual attendance and grow into a global phenomenon. “It’s really incredible,” he says, “to see that people will show up when Podfest is there in different countries now, and that’s because of the COVID experience, because of the virtuals that we did.” He tells us about the variety of guests and shows in attendance, and how much they have to offer. “People prepare all year to showcase what they’ve got at Podfest,” he adds. “So it’s an embarrassment of riches, which I’m really blessed that, I would say 90% - you can’t hit 100 all the time - but I would say 9 out of 10 are just stellar.”

(0:05:50) - Effective Podcasting Tips and Strategies

Chris offers his tips for a good public presentation and some advice on putting even the most unscripted podcast moments to good use. “The person went on a thirty-minute rant, and you didn’t even ask the question,” he says, “let’s say the interview is done, the person leaves right, go back and rerecord a question to a ten-minute segment of that rant. So now you have a video short that you can promote.” We talk about ways to help podcast guests look and sound their best, and the balance between creating good video and compelling audio. “Even the people that are video podcasts,” Chris notes, “they have to be very conscious when they’re talking because it’s very easy to go into a visual. And then the audio people, when you strip the audio, they’ll have no idea what you’re talking about.”

(0:15:24) - The Power of Audio Books

Our discussion comes to a close as Chris shares the importance of sound as well as some of his upcoming projects, including this year’s Podfest. “There is something that sound brings to the table that you can’t get in the other mediums,” he says. “They’re all very impactful mediums, but sound allows you to participate with your own imagination, and I think that’s a very special thing.” We talk about some of the latest audiobooks he’s enjoyed, and Chris tells us how streaming audio is helping shape his children’s lives as well as his own. “They always say ‘put on the meditation,’” Chris recounts, “’Daddy, mommy always puts a meditation on.’ And so I’ll put a meditation on, and they fall asleep every night to a meditation. That’s as intimate as you could get with audio.”

Episode Summary

• Podfest’s global journey and educational value, and its Guinness World Record.
• Creating engaging video podcasts and tailoring discussions for social media.
• How to get in touch with Chris, and what he believes sets audio content apart.

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“So I got involved in YouTube first, uh, in ‘06, and then audio, I got involved in 2012. I started, like, paying attention in 2013, um, the summer of 2013. I really got heavily in podcasting ‘cause I saw the opportunity and what it could do for people. And like you said, I love voice. It’s a much more nuanced form of communication, but it’s so profound ‘cause, right now, um, even today, even though I think people should have a video component of some sort, when you look at people’s stats, the people that listen to audio are much more engaged in that show than the people that watch the video.” – Chris Krimitsos

This episode’s guest has been successfully growing Podfest Multimedia Expo from what started as a meetup at a local café in 2013 to an international conference with more than three thousand registrants. Content creators have benefited from his knack for community building as they build relationships, their podcasts, and YouTube channels through the platforms he’s provided. These experiences, whether in-person or virtual, are built on his experience as the creator of over two thousand live events in his professional career. As a trendsetter, he quickly identified podcasting’s popularity and responded with a 2017 documentary about the evolving medium called The Messengers: A Podcast Documentary. The film has been placed on YouTube for global distribution after having initially been released on Amazon, where he also had his book, Start Ugly: A Timeless Tale About Innovation & Change, hit #1 in the categories of Business Leadership and HR.

His name is Chris Krimitsos, and in this conversation, we find out more about how he decided podcasting would be such a big thing, what it takes to put together a conference of Podfest’s size, and where he thinks this medium will take us into the future. We’re all about sound here – and podcasting is definitely a part of that. So keep listening to learn more from this encouraging, community-minded, giant in the industry!

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(0:00:01) - Evolution of Audio Media Platforms

As our conversation starts off, Chris shares his early memories of sound, particularly hearing the nightly train in Long Island as a child. He recalls growing up in the early days of podcasting and talks about how YouTube, Bluetooth, and even the automobile industry all helped shape the course of podcast history. “That eight-year lag between [having] the Bluetooth device in the car and the Bluetooth on your phone to match up,” he explains, “it gave YouTube and on-demand video about an eight-year head start.” We discuss whether podcasting might eventually replace radio altogether, and its advantages over the increasingly commercialized streaming video landscape. “You might have some ads in the front,” he says about podcasts, “but you listen to a person’s voice and you’re not necessarily scrolling for the next audio show. You’re committed to that show for that half hour.”

(0:11:24) - Podcast Platform Dominance Conversation

Our discussion turns to which platforms are dominating the market these days and where podcasters should start when it comes to building a global audience. “If you leave the country or North America,” he says, “everybody’s on Android platforms, so Spotify is dominant. Like in the Philippines, 96% of people consume Spotify or YouTube.” We talk about Google’s efforts to establish its own video and audio ecosystem, and why, fifteen years later, YouTube is still on top. “They’ve siphoned all their equity into YouTube,” Chris notes. “They’ve tried adding different platforms. It just doesn’t work.”

(0:15:44) - Growth and Impact of Podfest

As we wrap up the first half of our conversation, Chris talks about the very first Podfest in 2015 and how much it’s grown since then. “We did so many workshops helping people get started,” he recalls, “and they started calling me for more help, and, at the time, all these tools that we have today were not in existence. So I said let’s all get it right together once a year and compare notes.” He shares some of Podfest’s most memorable moments since those early days, and how the pandemic helped it come into its own. “I just said to myself ‘I’m going to allow it to grow as big as it wants to grow,’” Chris recalls. “And since then, now, you know, we get thousands of people every year at Podfest.”

Episode Summary

• Chris recounts the shift from YouTube emails to podcasting in today’s digital landscape.
• The value of having your own RSS feed, and which platforms are growing the fastest.
• Podfest’s journey from a community event to a globally recognized convention.

Tune in for part two of our conversation as Chris tells us more about Podfest’s literally record-breaking virtual conferences during the pandemic, his tips for using social media to make the most of your podcast interviews, and the weirdest question he’s been asked in an interview.

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“All right, so this happens a lot is that brands will be, especially in agencies, they’ll be coming up on a new campaign and they’ll think, ‘Oh well, you know what, this campaign is going to launch at such date, I’ll throw some audio branding on there.’ And then, from the get-go, then they’re thinking about the audio brand as part of the campaign’s messaging, and that is not what you want to do. So number five is think of your audio branding as part of your brand’s equity and part of your brand’s identity, and do not plan your audio branding around your campaign message. Because then, as soon as that campaign message is gone and thrown out, there goes the audio logo.” – Jon Brennan

This is the second half of my conversation with audio branding expert and founder of Sonic Signatures Jon Brennan as we discuss Jon’s tips for building a successful brand strategy, what Home Depot gets right when it comes to brand consistency, and the future of AI music in audio branding.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts.

(0:00:00) - Implementing Effective Audio Branding Strategies

The second half of our discussion begins as Jon talks about the ubiquity of UX sound design and the opportunities it presents for establishing a sonic brand. “You know the sound of your ATM,” he says. “You know you’re using your audio logo. Any place that you have a brand interaction is where you want to use that melody, that sound so that it is more of an ecosystem.” He continues his list of tips for building a successful audio brand, including the importance of marketing versatility. “So number five,” he explains, “is think of your audio branding as part of your brand’s equity and part of your brand’s identity and do not plan your audio branding around your campaign message, because then, as soon as that campaign message is gone and thrown out, there goes the audio logo.”

(0:11:11) - Evolving Audio Branding Strategies

Our conversation turns to the value of a dynamic campaign that keeps up with changing demands. “What you want to do,” Jon says, “is continue to develop and adapt your audio identity through more touch points, more use cases, using it in your new, current campaigns, not just letting it sit there on the shelf from what you created five years ago.” We talk about the growth of AI in everything from editing to composition, and how it fits into a sonic branding strategy. “There’s so much stock music out there now, AI music,” he says, “but still really working with a composer to bring out the specific messaging, and also the action onscreen, makes your advertising so much more interactive to watch.”

(0:14:53) - Advancements in Custom Audio Branding

As our discussion comes to a close, Jon shares an awkward advertising moment that came from relying on stock elements. “I was with a customer this morning,” he relates, “and we were watching a video, and I recognized the stock image that they’re using for a major car company. It was the same stock person that was in a detergent brand.” He tells us how listeners can get in touch with him, and we talk about some of the situations where AI can make a positive difference in branding strategies. “It opens up a whole world of possibilities that were not there before,” Jon says. “So there definitely are great use cases but you still have to bring the quality, because audio is where quality is heard.”

Episode Summary

• How a consistent and collaborative audio branding strategy enhances brand identity.
• The value of dynamic marketing and how AI content fits into building a sonic logo
• How smart devices, AI music, and even Roblox fit into the future of audio branding.

 Jon's 10 Best Practices for Effective Audio Branding: https://www.sonicsignatures.io/post/10-best-practices-for-audio-branding

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“That’s right, yeah, and to me, that’s one of the most important steps in the whole process is this research, brand assessment. And then you bring that research and assessment to life in the mood board, and that is what allows you to create something that is so customized to this brand, that it only works for this brand.” – Jon Brennan

This week’s guest is a lifelong audio producer who loves to help brands communicate effectively through sound. He regularly produces voiceover and sound design for brands like Tide, Downy, Cascade, Henkel, Dell computers, and more, and he’s led the creation of such audio branding identities as Amazon Alexa, Hostess, Boomchickapop, and Fireball Cinnamon Whiskey.

His name is Jon Brennan, and since our last conversation, episodes 126 and 127, he joined Sixième Son, a world leader in audio branding, as a senior account executive, where he managed the creation of audio identities for Fortune 500 companies and brands. After two years, Jon returned to lead his own audio branding agency Sonic Signatures in 2024. He enjoys using his love of music and audio to entertain and inspire others, and we’ll be talking a lot about how companies can and should work audio branding into their marketing plans. While Jon has worked with some very large companies in this capacity, the Fortune 500 aren’t the only ones who benefit from this kind of strategy.

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(0:00:00) - Journey in Sonic Branding Industry

As our episode starts off, Jon tells us about a recent experience with sound, and how it sparked bittersweet memories of his late uncle. “I distinctly heard my uncle’s voice,” he recalls, “and his characteristic laughter coming from the other room, and it’s just like I just thought my uncle Tom was there for a minute and it actually moved me to the point that I just got totally choked up.” He describes his work with Sixième Son and such clients as Boomchickapop and Hostess, and the reason for his return to Sonic Signatures earlier this year. “Going back to my own agency,” he explains, “I’m able to be the creative director, I’m able to write concepts as well as tap other very talented composers to write concepts as well, and I’m just very fulfilled when I’m able to have that creative energy.”

(0:16:56) - Effective Sonic Branding for Regional Companies

We take a closer look at some of Jon’s recent ad campaigns, and he tells us about a particularly memorable sonic branding project for Fireball Whiskey. “You’ve got the dragon who sounds like a demon,” he says, “but then you’ve got this angel choir that is hanging out high above him in the audio spectrum... and so together it makes this disruptive sound that is also very memorable.” Jon talks about how remote studios and audio workstations have changed the recording landscape over just the past two years, and his advice to smaller companies looking to build an audio brand. “If you are active in creating videos,” he explains, “whether those are streaming, broadcast or digital YouTube, you’re creating content that is audiovisual. You’re only going to make it that much more effective when you’re using custom music, custom sounds that pertain to your brand identity.”

(0:22:30) - Brand Identity and Sonic Innovation

As we wrap up the first half of our discussion, Jon tells us the first of his ten essential tips for a compelling audio campaign. “These are the top ten things that are, you know, essential to creating an effective audio brand,” he begins. “So number one, you want to know what your primary business needs are that audio branding can solve.” He shares his step-by-step process for building the right audio logo and how a sonic brand helps clients and their customers see the brand in a new light. “Not only is it memorable attention,” he explains, “but when we go through this audio branding process, we’re going to reveal things about the brand, how you want the brand to feel to your consumer.”

Episode Summary

• Jon talks about his work with Sixième Son on such brands as Boomchickapop and Hostess.
• How remote work has boosted audio branding’s reach and made it more accessible.
• Jon shares the first of his ten audio tips for building a stronger audio branding strategy.

Tune in for part two of our conversation as Jon continues his ten tips for building a successful audio campaign, including the value of brand integration and building a holistic approach to sonic branding, as well as how Roblox, AI music, and UX design all might fit into the future of sound.

Jon's 10 Best Practices for Effective Audio Branding: https://www.sonicsignatures.io/post/10-best-practices-for-audio-branding

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“It’s got to look good, sound good, look good if it is video, but it’s got to sound good, good quality audio, good editing, and it’s got to have enough interesting information that people want to talk about what they heard or they have a pivotal moment or an a-ha or it changes their life. So, and that again is why I am so incredibly passionate about podcasting and just, in general, because, I don’t know if I’ve ever shared this with you, but listening to a podcast literally did change my life with a medical condition that I had.” – Traci DeForge

This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder and CEO of Produce Your Podcast and internationally recognized podcast expert Traci DeForge as we discuss the branding power of podcasts, Traci’s tips for utilizing social media, and her work with the Podcast Professionals Association.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts.

(0:00:01) - Leveraging Podcasts for Brand Growth

The second half of our conversation starts with Traci’s explanation of how building a brand’s audio strategy differs from sustaining one, and the challenge of reaching out to an audience without sounding like a sales pitch. “[If] you can think about what’s in it for the audience, then all of the visibility, leads, and sales component happens as a residual of that,” she says about podcasts. “But the most important key is... that it’s got to look good and sound good.” We discuss how podcasts help forge a lasting connection with listeners, and how one podcast helped her overcome a lifetime of migraines. “I really, really share that story,” she tells us, “because it’s not just me going. You can change the world one voice at a time. Like that person’s voice changed my literal life and my family’s life.”

(0:07:07) - Exploring the Power of Podcasting

Our discussion focuses on the growing importance of video in podcasting and whether it’s possible to still succeed as an audio-only production, “If you are currently thinking about being an audio-only podcaster or you are thinking about starting an audio podcast,” Traci says, “absolutely yes, yes, yes, you do need to start the audio podcast or keep the audio podcast.” She explains how much social media algorithms have evolved just over the last year, and her advice for building an audience. “Use the video for shorts,” she suggests. “Use it for shorter segments, use it for social media clips. Use it for that, because if you’re not doing that, that is what’s going to leave you behind.”

(0:15:43) – The Power of Sound in Podcasting

As we wrap up our conversation, Traci tells us more about how she co-founded the Podcast Professionals Association and the role it plays in helping podcasters network and strategize in a quickly changing market. “We have two virtual events a month,” she explains, “where people can connect and have conversations about how they price their business challenges in the industry. How are you facing AI? What happens if you lose a big client? How are you changing your prices?” We also talk about what sets the power of sound apart, including the unique intensity it can spark for listeners. “When you’re fearful and your voice, like, shakes,” Traci says, “like, that’s so authentic and so, it’s just, to me, it is the absolute extension of human emotion, no matter what that emotion is.”

Episode Summary

• The role of podcasts in enhancing brand visibility and lead generation.
• What sets audio and video podcasts apart in an ever-changing media landscape.
• Traci’s work in creating a supportive community for podcast professionals.

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“I really believe in developing the power of an audio brand as the Nike swoosh, as the Amazon arrow smile. Your audio brand should be as recognizable to your personal brand, to your business brand, however you’re leveraging your audio platform. It should be as good a quality, and people should invest in, and not have it be an afterthought. If you think about what people invest in personal branding and visual branding aesthetics, website branding and then, oh, ‘I want to start a podcast.’ And they never even consider that that’s an extension of all of that other investment that you’ve made.” – Traci DeForge

This episode’s guest is the founder of Produce Your Podcast, an award-winning full-service production and marketing agency, and is recognized as an international podcast expert, sought-after speaker, and media contributor. She’s the creator of the Podcast Management Academy, the industry’s only certified podcast manager training program, and co-founder of the Podcast Professionals Association. She’s also the co-host of the Ask Brien radio show on KHTS AM & FM in Los Angeles and has been featured on all three major networks along with CNN, CTV, American Express OPEN, and Radio INK, and is a member of the Rolling Stone Culture Council. Her name is Traci DeForge, and if you’re looking to take your podcast to the next level, you’ll want to hear what she has to say about it.

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(0:00:01) – The Love of Audio

We start things off with a look back at Traci’s childhood memories of sound, from calling Dial-a-Prayer to hear stories over the phone to listening to to the radio under the covers at night. “I used to sleep with an AM transmitter radio under my pillow listening to ghost stories,” she recalls, “and when my friends would come over for slumber parties. I would create these elaborate radio shows.” She tells us about how developing her first podcast in 2015 helped inspire her to create Produce Your Podcast. “There are going to be some other busy consultants and business owners,” she explains, “who are going to want to have podcasts, but they’re not going to want to do everything it takes to have it be a broadcast that represents the quality of their brand. And so that’s when Produce Your Podcast was born.”

(0:11:01) - The Power of Audio Branding

Our conversation turns to the differences between audio and video productions, and why just ripping the audio from a video production might not cut it in podcasting.“If you don’t really understand the true power of audio and audio branding,” Traci notes, “then you could get lost in thinking that ‘I’m just going to do a video podcast or video recording,’ or even a video webinar to a degree, ‘and I’m just going to grab the audio off of that.’” We discuss how the audio production works to bring the imagery to life for listeners, and how a podcast lacking that connection can leave its listeners cold. “That can be the point where an audience could fracture from you,” she adds, “because they don’t feel connected to the conversation. So they may stay through that conversation but they may not come back.”

(0:14:39) - The Importance of Audio in Podcasting

As the first half of our discussion comes to a close, Traci tells us more about her enthusiasm for, and her hands-on work with, crafting the right sonic identities for clients. “This is the piece of my business that we’ve grown, we’ve scaled, we have team members,” she explains, “but this is the piece of my business that I have kept selfishly to myself.” She talks about the process she uses to help podcasts build a unique identity and the reward of seeing a podcast connect with its listeners. “When audience members are saying back to you what it is they’ve taken away from your show,” she says, “and that’s connected to one of these sonic identity components we know we’ve done our job.

Episode Summary

• How Traci’s early experiences with sound led to a career in broadcast radio and podcasting.
• The link between audio and video content, and how to effectively utilize both.
• Traci’s strategies for personalizing sonic brand identities and engaging listeners.

Tune in for part two of my conversation with Traci as we talk about the power of podcasting to elevate brand identities, Google’s impact on podcasting algorithms and how YouTube fits into it all, and the story of how a simple podcast episode helped literally change Traci and her family’s life.

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“So put on some good music, especially music with a very steady beat. Every time you have focus, yeah, every time that beat goes, it drips a little bit of dopamine. So that’s another reason why we also can support people with, with their gait, like with walking because we need that little bit of drip of dopamine when we walk. It actually naturally happens. But for people that have a challenge with that, like for Parkinson’s, maybe a stroke, that gets affected. So if we have a very steady beat, boom, boom, every little bit, dopamine drips, and it actually helps to regulate our system and anticipate when to take those steps. Yeah, so that’s just one.” – Noel Anderson

This episode is the second half of my conversation with director of Anderson Music Therapy and board-certified music therapist Noel Anderson as we talk about music’s effect on our brain chemistry and cortisol levels, the different effects that making music and listening to music have on our brains, and the role sound and music can play in treating such disorders as PTSD and depression.

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(0:00:00) - Music and Memory

Our conversation continues as we talk about music’s effect on our brains’ neural connections and how we experience the world around us. “The experiences we have,” Noel explains, “everything affects those neural connections and what gets formed, what doesn’t get formed, um, so, yeah, so this is a big question.” We discuss sound’s power to help boost our dopamine levels and manage depression, and how she’s helped Alzheimer’s patients reconnect with their past through the power of music. “I think if you keep your mind as active as possible,” she says, “then you can at least hopefully slow it down. And I think music is one of those things. Like I said, it exercises the whole brain and so if you can keep that connection to other people, that’s going to keep you healthy.”

(0:09:53) - The Impact of Music Therapy

We talk about the different therapeutic roles that making music and listening to music play, and she tells us more about mirror neurons and music’s ability to engage our deepest social instincts. “It’s that active participation that actually connects us to people,” she tells us, “whether it’s moving to drums or even moving at a concert, you know, dancing. That actually can increase empathy.” Our conversation turns to managing stress and depression, and to how she’s helping parents and children bond through music therapy. “What I like about the drum,” Noel says, “is that you’re face-to-face, and so a lot of research shows that having that facial affect again, those mirror neurons connecting back and forth, that is really, really important for attachment and for bonding with your child.”

(0:16:51) - Accessing Music Therapy Services

As our discussion comes to a close, we take a look at some of the online resources out there for finding a licensed music therapist, and how much of it might be covered by insurance. “It depends on your diagnosis,” Noel explains, “depends on the insurance you have, depends on the specific goals that we’re working on, and so for the most part, the main areas that we have gotten reimbursed for are for communication needs.” She tells listeners how they can get in touch with her and about some of the free resources on her website. “You can book a free call with me at my website,” she says, “it’s amusictherapy.com, and there’s a little box at the top that says book a free consultation. You can just click on that, pick a time and day that works for you, and then we’ll chat.”

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“I had a client in the practice that they, well, what they said is, ‘I am disabled because of mental health and PTSD symptoms, and music therapy’s helping me work through many issues very directly in a way that years of talk therapy hasn’t been able to touch.’ For this individual, they had been through years of talk therapy, and for some people, that is very valuable and very helpful, myself included. But like myself, I had to start with music therapy first because it just accesses the brain in a different way. It accesses the body in a different way than just talking.” – Noel Anderson

This week’s guest is the founder of Anderson Music Therapy Services and has been a board-certified music therapist for over fifteen years. Her journey started with a Bachelor of Music in Music Therapy from Immaculata University, followed by a clinical internship at the Kardon Institute for Arts Therapy in Philadelphia. Driven by a desire for growth, she pursued specialized training, earning certification in Neurologic Music Therapy at Colorado State University, certification as a Trauma Professional, and a Master of Music Therapy degree from Temple University. Before founding her practice in Roanoke, Virginia, she developed a school-based music therapy program for individuals of all ages and abilities. Her love of music began early – she’s been performing since the age of ten through voice, guitar, piano, and flute – and her impact extends globally, benefiting communities in Africa and India.

Her name is Noel Anderson and I’ve been looking forward to chatting with her about all the ways we can harness the power of sound to motivate us, to help us heal and to improve our lives. Keep listening because I know you’re going to get some invaluable golden nuggets from this discussion!

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(0:00:00) - The Power of Music Therapy

We start things off with Noel’s early memories of sound, from the tiger song she wrote before she’d even learned to spell to her discovery in college of how music therapy could help others. “I didn’t always have a very easy time identifying my emotions or being able to express my emotions,” she recalls. “I was very shy. So music just was how I would express myself.” She tells us more about the board certification process that becoming a licensed music therapist involves, and about her work helping children in Africa and India. “I spoke of how music works with developmental disabilities and neurologically,” she explains, “and then we were able to work, you know, hands-on with the kids and co-treat with the therapists there and the doctors, and it was a really great experience.”

(0:07:27) - Global Impact of Music Therapy

Our conversation turns to the neurological impact of music, and its ability to influence and even redirect our body states. “It’s one of the few things in the world that activates so many [neurons],” Noel explains. “It exercises the whole brain, and that’s why it can get our attention very easily rather than just speaking alone.” She talks more about how sound can help regulate the nervous system and shares some of her success stories with patients. “We’ve gotten some really,” she says, “it’s not surprising because, you know, we know music therapy works, but some really touching feedback.”

(0:13:51) - Healing Through Music Therapy

As the first half of our discussion comes to a close, Noel tells us about the difference between talk and music therapy, and how it can help create a safe space for confronting trauma and emotional triggers. “Our brains know what to expect,” she tells us, “and that’s comforting. And so because of that, you can work through these challenges like PTSD and anxiety, depression.” We talk about her work with nonverbal patients and music’s power to forge a healing connection. “It was a musical conversation where they could feel like they belonged,” she says, “they could feel heard and listened to, maybe for the first time to truly be in a place where you know they could express themselves.”

Episode Summary

• Noelle’s journey into music therapy and her experiences in Africa and India.
• Music therapy’s impact on neurological functions and emotional regulation.
• How music therapy offers a structured approach for treating anxiety and PTSD.

Tune in for part two of my conversation with Noel as we discuss music’s effect on dopamine, serotonin, and our stress levels, Noel’s work with treating Alzheimer’s, depression, and even using sound to strengthen parent-child bonds, and her advice for finding the right music therapist.

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“I agree that humans will always want to work with humans and that we’re gonna always favor it in a lot of ways, especially because of the spontaneity, the creativity, the vibe. Kids love to use the word vibe, but we want the vibe and AI doesn’t have the vibe. Kids are really good at detecting AI, really good at it…. They pick it out way before their parents. So they’re really tuned into it. So I think that’s what’s going to keep it at bay in terms of being a true creative tool for really a long time.” – Sean Savage

This episode is the second half of my Clubhouse discussion with voice actor and Sound Off Media Company owner Matt Cundill, Home Studio Mastery founder Junaid Ahmed, podcast producer and AR Media host Sean Savage, Spoken Life Media founder and Podcast Hall of Fame Inductee Rob Greenlee, and long-time podcaster and audio technology consultant George Whittam, as we discuss the future of AI, what sets machine and human learning apart, and building your own AI clone.

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(0:00:00) - AI and the Future of Technology

The second half of our conversation begins as we talk about the impact of AI on everything from social media to politics, and what that might mean for its future. “I interviewed David Pogue earlier this year,” George says, “and he’s done a tremendous amount of AI research and experimenting, and he’s like, it hasn’t yet swung an election that we know of, so maybe we shouldn’t be too worried. But it’s just something to think about, and I think about it all the time.” The topic turns to AGI, or Artificial General Intelligence. “That day is coming,” Rob tells us. “I don’t know if it’s five years from now, ten years from now, that it surpasses, you know, the ability to think and process information, um, better than a human, but I think it’s coming and once that happens, it’s going to change everything.”

(0:06:44) - Ethical Implications of AI Use

We talk about the ethics of AI usage, and whether there’s any practical difference between how AI models are trained and how children naturally learn. “Even if your older brother is telling you ‘don’t copy me,’” Junaid notes, “guess what? Your younger siblings are still going to copy them. There’s no lawsuit against that. You know, that’s how human beings are literally taught.” George describes his experience with feeding an AI all his writing content to help it learn his writing style, and we discuss the prospect and legality of such AI ‘clones.’ “If you went and scraped pretty much all the work that you’ve done and voiced,” Matt says, “packaged it up to create an AI model, you then can own the licensing of that AI voice and be paid for it. But if somebody else went and did it, the answer would be no. But, as we’ve discussed, some people are out there doing it and saying ‘tough beans.’”

(0:17:45) - AI Usage and Ethical Concerns

The conversation turns from creating new content with AI to revisiting old content through the lens of machine learning. George talks about old recordings and the potential to restore them and add sound elements that have been completely lost over time. “To what point do we clean them up?” he says. “Because now, with AI, we could now do a second restoration that’s way beyond what we could have done traditionally and make it sound like it was recorded in a studio Should we do that or not?” We talk about which AI tools the panelists have found the most use for in their own workflows, and Junaid shares a story about how AI is changing the way younger people see writing. “The other day,” he says, “I was replying to my wife through a text message and my son is like, ‘Why are you typing like AI?’ Like, what do you mean? Because I’m using commas, punctuation? That’s how I type.”

Episode Summary

• How AI tools like Podium, Minvo, and Opus Clip can be used for managing content.
• The ethical and legal considerations of using AI in publishing, such as consent and copyright.
• AI-driven advances in audio technology and the enduring role of human creativity.

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