The last chapter in the Helen Palmer book study. Type 9 discussion with fellow Vermonter Erica DeLorenzo. One of my favorite quotes of hers, “I love wanting what other people want.” I also liked talking about how anger “leaks” out of a 9. Hope you enjoy. Let me know what you think. End music is a fair use snippet of Garth Brooks “The Dance” because 9s show us how to do it.

Bernadette Noll is the author of Slow Family Living, the poem I Want to Age Like Sea Glass, and founder of Reduce, Reuse, Remake, an organization which finds ways to build community and cut back on consumption. She and I discuss the type 8 in Helen Palmer’s book The Enneagram, Understanding Yourself and Others in Your Life

Purchase Bernadette’s book for parents of young children in your life here:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/311596/slow-family-living-by-bernadette-noll/

I reference the book I am reading: The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible by Charles Eisenstein

For information on why I don’t want to use the word “inner city,” these articles are helpful:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/inner-city-violence-in-the-age-of-mass-incarceration/382154/

https://www.urban.org/2016-analysis/problem-talking-about-inner-cities

End music is “Won’t Back Down” by Tom Petty

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I revisit Helen Palmer’s Chapter on Type 7 with my mom. My favorite comment “You can’t help your feelings, I can’t help my speed!”

end music is “My Cosmos is Mine” by Depeche Mode

Rachel Lomas — friend, political activist, great cook - an epicure for sure - joins me today in a conversation about Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 7

end music is Walking on a Dream by Empire of the Sun

My friend Kathie Sever —the founder of the merry band of chainstitching geniuses at Ft Lonesome joins me again to discuss Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 6. My take away is that 6s are roving confirmation bias seekers/busters. Finding all the facts to support their ideas or finding all the facts that don’t. Also, Kathie’s idea of a knight in shining armor might have to be a series for each number. I love it.

When I said Russ Hudson had a word for 4s, I meant Claudio Naranjo used the word “vindictive”

When Kathie refers to IFS therapy, she is talking about Internal Family Systems therapy

The Jungian podcast we love is called The Salome Institute, led by Satya Doyle Byock (author of “Quarterlife”— an excellent gift for anyone in their 20s).

Tim Urban is the author Kathie refers to — he wrote “What’s our Problem” and Kathie recommends him on Lex Fridman podcast #360

The documentary on the NXIVM cult is called “Seduced”

The parable of the farmer is from the children’s book “Zen Shorts” by Jon Muth

end music is Doubt by Twenty One Pilots

I recorded Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 5 with my 5 husband Nathaniel

end music is Space Cowboy by Kacey Musgraves

Lillian Sims joins me in discussing Helen Palmer’s chapter on the type 5

out music is “Where is my Mind” sung by Tkay Maidza

My friend and jewelry designer Nak Armstrong joins me in nearly 2 hours of type 4 conversation, where I am pretty sure we successfully debunk any notions of sexiness in our type, thanks to the excellent ideas of Helen Palmer.

out music is patron saint of 4, Chopin’s Piano Concerto no. 2 in F Minor (of course!!!), Larghetto. This piece is one of my favorites and, to me, encompasses all the mercurial moodiness, beauty, longing and rage of type 4. Orchestra della Toscana, conductor, Daniele Rustioni

I felt compelled to take the opportunity to go through Helen Palmer’s chapter about 3s with my daughter Alabel. She modeled “polyphasic activity” by clipping her nails while podcasting with me!!! You will hear it. There are a few things I wish I had followed up on, but I can circle back.

end music is My Future by Billie Eilish

photo by Sarah Bork

My friend Griff Martin joins me to talk about Helen Palmer’s chapter on Type 3

end song is “Flames” by David Guetta and Sia