Chaired by Paul Barclay

Join Big Ideas’ Paul Barclay for a fascinating conversation from two sides of the educational fence with the same sense of schooling: a system that resembles an over-decorated Christmas tree. Professor Pasi Sahlberg, a leading Finnish researcher based at UNSW’s Gonski Institute, meets Gabbie Stroud, prominent recovering teacher, to discuss the way back to success for Australia’s students, schools and teachers, and the complex mess that currently stands in the way.