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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(01:08:48) Grey Council

A terrifying emperor, Vorlons behaving VERY badly, and justice for Lennier! This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 4 Episode 3, "The Summoning."

We unpack G'Kar's horrifying treatment at the hands of Cartagia, Londo's increasingly complicated predicament, Lyta's disturbing relationship with the Vorlons, and Garibaldi's suspicious return. Plus, we debate whether the episode did Delenn dirty, examine Marcus and Ivanova's questionable romantic chemistry, and explore the real-world production circumstances behind Season 4's accelerated pacing. Gus and Ali have some fascinating theories about Londo's prophecy, we geek out over the incredible acting, and we demand justice for the inexplicably forgotten Lennier!

⚠️ The Zocalo is spoiler-free through this episode. The Grey Council contains full-series spoilers.

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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(01:03:18) Grey Council

An ancient being, an existential crisis, and an episode named after a guy who barely appears in it. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 4 Episode 2, “Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?”

We dive into Lorien and the mystery of the "man in between," Sheridan's struggle to find a reason to keep going, G'Kar's dangerous predicament on Centauri Prime, and Londo's dealings with the increasingly terrifying Emperor Cartagia. Plus, Gus makes a passionate case that Marcus Cole deserves better character development, Jenny brings some fascinating behind-the-scenes insights from JMS, and we take a few spectacular detours into Tolkien, mythology, Star Wars, and horror movies.

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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(00:56:14) Grey Council

Sheridan is missing, Garibaldi is gone, and Centauri Prime has somehow found an even worse emperor. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 4 Episode 1, “The Hour of the Wolf.”

We dig into Emperor Cartagia's terrifying god complex, Londo and Vir's predicament, Lyta's disturbing relationship with the Vorlons, Ivanova and Delenn dealing with Sheridan's disappearance, and G'Kar's search for Garibaldi. Plus, Sheridan meets a mysterious stranger on Z'ha'dum, Gus and Ali have VERY different opinions about him, and Ali discovers a surprising connection between Ivanova and one of her childhood crushes.

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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(01:02:57) Grey Council

The Shadows finally make their case, Sheridan makes an impossible choice, and Season 3 goes out with a bang. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 22, “Z'ha'dum.”

We dig into the Shadows’ philosophy, survival of the fittest versus cooperation, what the Vorlons have really been up to, Sheridan and Delenn’s conflict over Anna, telepaths, Garibaldi’s disappearance, and one enormous cliffhanger. Plus, Gus and Ali try to figure out what any of this means for Season 4.

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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(01:16:02) Grey Council

A massive battle, a personal breaking point, and one hell of a final reveal. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 21, “Shadow Dancing.”

We dig into the fight against the Shadows, Stephen Franklin’s walkabout, Sheridan and Delenn’s relationship, Minbari courtship customs, Ivanova and Marcus, and the way this episode puts personal and galactic struggles side by side. Plus, Gus and Ali have plenty of theories about what that ending means.

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(00:54:51) Grey Council

This is the Babylon 5 episode that made Jenny want to start a podcast. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 20, “And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place.”

We dig into Londo’s schemes, G’Kar’s changing perspective, Sheridan and Delenn, the resistance on Earth, and the unforgettable church sequence that gives the episode its title. Plus, we talk about leadership, faith, moral contradictions, and why this episode gives us so much to unpack.

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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(00:37:04) Grey Council

One of Babylon 5’s most infamous episodes has finally arrived. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 19, “Grey 17 Is Missing.”

e break down Garibaldi’s bizarre trip into the missing level, the Zarg, the mysterious cult, and why so many interesting ideas never quite come together. Plus, we dig into the much stronger Delenn, Neroon, Marcus, and Lennier storyline, and look at what JMS himself had to say about where the episode went wrong.

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(00:38:06) Grey Council

After the massive events of “War Without End,” Babylon 5 slows things down for something much more personal. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, and Ali discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 18, “Walkabout.”

We break down Franklin’s search for who he is outside of being a doctor, Lyta’s connection to the Vorlons, G’Kar stepping further into leadership, and Sheridan putting a dangerous theory about the Shadow ships to the test. Plus, we ask why this episode is so divisive among Babylon 5 fans when we actually liked it quite a bit.

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(00:00:00) Zocalo

(00:54:40) Grey Council

Time travel closes the circle as the mystery of Babylon 4 finally comes into focus. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, Ali, and special guest Ean discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 17, “War Without End, Part Two.”

We break down Sinclair’s journey, Zathras, Sheridan and Delenn’s future, Londo and G’Kar, the Keeper, and how brilliantly Babylon 5 turns years of setup into payoff. Plus, we dig into closed-loop time travel, destiny, and how JMS reshaped his original plans into something that feels remarkably intentional.

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(00:38:29) Grey Council

A 900-year-old message, the return of Jeffrey Sinclair, and the mystery of Babylon 4 send the crew headfirst into time travel. This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Gus, Ali, and special guest Andrew Rappo discuss Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 16, “War Without End, Part One.”

We break down the payoff to “Babylon Squared,” Sinclair’s return, why Garibaldi is left behind, Zathras and “the One,” Sheridan’s glimpse of the future, and just how much long-term setup Babylon 5 is suddenly bringing together. Plus: Jenny and Jenn enter the Grey Council full-spoiler section after the warning.

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