Backbone Unlimited Podcast

What does the research actually say about finding, calling, and killing elk on pressured public land?

In this episode of Backbone Unlimited, Matt Hartsky sits down with Evan Hunter, creator of Elk Nerd, for a rapid-fire conversation built around 20 elk hunting questions. Evan takes a different approach to elk hunting strategy by combining real-world hunting experience with research, GPS-collar data, elk behavior studies, and hunting-pressure data.

We dig into how pressured elk actually use the landscape, why hunters may be getting to the mountains too late, where mature bulls go when pressure increases, how close you should get before calling, what fresh elk sign really tells you, and how Evan approaches e-scouting completely new elk country.

We also cover:

• How to find elk in a brand-new unit

Evan also explains The Herd, his observational elk study designed to collect real-world hunter data on broadheads, arrow setups, rifle cartridges, practice, experience, and elk recovery rates.

If you want to become a more consistent elk hunter, this conversation will challenge some common assumptions and give you practical ideas you can apply during your next September elk hunt.

Connect with Evan Hunter / Elk Nerd:

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Train harder. Hunt smarter. Never settle.

Starting fresh on a new elk unit is one of the most disorienting situations in the sport — and most hunters respond by loading waypoints near the closest trailhead, glassing the biggest open basins they can reach, and burning the first two days on country that gets walked by every hunter with a tag in the unit. This episode covers the complete Backbone Unlimited new-area framework: how to zoom out and read an entire unit before you make a single on-the-ground decision, how to use road and trail systems to find the terrain gaps with the least access and the most elk security, why the most productive country in any new unit is almost always the terrain most hunters look at on a map and decide not to hike into, how to identify transition zones between feeding and bedding before you drive in, and why hunting a located bull — not sign — has to be your target from day one.

This episode covers how to map road and trail access to identify pressure, find the largest roadless gaps in the unit and why those gaps hold the most undisturbed elk, the specific terrain characteristics elk prioritize for security in any western unit — north-facing drainages, finger ridge complexity, multiple escape routes — why secure elk vocalize more and are easier to pattern than elk living under constant pressure in open country, how to identify transition zones between feeding and bedding on satellite view before you ever leave home, and why hunting sign instead of a located bull is the most common reason hunters burn a full week in a new area without a real encounter.

This episode includes visual map diagrams and terrain overlays. Watch the full video version on the Backbone Unlimited YouTube channel to see the complete map and access breakdown.

Get the full elk hunting system — new-area assessment, security terrain identification, and field execution in one framework — Elk Hunting E-Book Series at BACKBONEUNLIMITED.COM

Want my eyes on your actual hunt plan before season? Maps, terrain, access points, wind strategy, and pressure identification — Elk Hunt Plan Audit at BACKBONEUNLIMITED.COM

Daily guidance and accountability alongside a community of serious western hunters building real systems — Team Backbone at BACKBONEUNLIMITED.COM

Training built specifically for the physical demands of mountain elk hunting — legs, lungs, and the ability to handle hard miles under load day after day — Backbone Unlimited Training Plans at BACKBONEUNLIMITED.COM

Fuel long days in the field and dial in your in-season performance — Nutrition Plans at BACKBONEUNLIMITED.COM

The elk are in the unit. The map will tell you where — if you know what you're looking for before you leave home.

Train harder, hunt smarter, never settle.

Finding elk sign doesn’t mean you’ve found the bull.

You can spend days hunting a torn-up wallow, a heavy rub line, or fresh-looking tracks—and never lay eyes on an elk. That’s the sign trap: treating evidence of where elk were as proof of where they are right now.

In this episode of Backbone Unlimited, Matt Hartsky explains why successful elk hunting requires shifting from a location-based approach to an animal-based approach. Elk sign can put you in productive country, but it cannot replace locating a living bull, understanding his current priorities, and adjusting your strategy in real time.

You’ll learn how to distinguish historical elk sign from truly fresh, actionable sign—and how season timing, hunting pressure, weather, thermals, rut activity, food, bedding cover, and cow movement can quickly make yesterday’s best location irrelevant.

This episode covers:

• Why hunters get emotionally anchored to wallows, rubs, tracks, and heavily used elk country

Sign hunting asks, “What happened here?”

Bull hunting asks, “Where is this elk right now?”

That distinction changes how you scout, how you move through elk country, how long you stay in an unproductive setup, and how quickly you find your next opportunity.

Matt brings more than 34 years of western elk hunting and guiding experience across high alpine basins, dark timber drainages, and rugged canyon systems. His approach is built around reading current conditions, making informed adjustments, and hunting the animal—not camping on evidence from the past.

Stop asking where elk were. Start finding where the bull is now.

Ready to build a better elk hunting plan?

Explore the complete Elk Hunting E-book Series, join TEAM Backbone for ongoing guidance and accountability, book a personalized Elk Hunt Plan Audit, or prepare physically with Backbone Unlimited Training and Nutrition Plans.

Visit BackboneUnlimited.com to get started.

Train harder. Hunt smarter. Never settle.

Most elk hunters don’t fail because they didn’t work hard enough before season. They fail because their training didn’t prepare them for what elk hunting actually demands.

Steep climbs. High elevation. Consecutive hard days. Long hours on your feet. A loaded hunting pack. And, if everything goes right, a brutal pack-out when your legs are already exhausted.

In this episode of the Backbone Unlimited Podcast, Matt Hartsky breaks down the best training tool for elk hunting: ruck training — and explains how to use weighted pack training to build the strength, endurance, cardiovascular capacity, and durability required for real western elk country.

This isn’t just about throwing weight in a backpack and hiking around. You’ll learn how to structure a complete elk hunting fitness program around long rucks, short uphill intervals, sustained climbing intervals, lighter recovery-volume days, progressive pack weight, real terrain, and consecutive-day training.

Matt explains why traditional gym workouts, treadmills, stationary bikes, and flat-road running alone don’t fully prepare you for the specific demands of a western elk hunt — especially when you’re climbing thousands of vertical feet, hunting at 9,000–11,000 feet, carrying a pack day after day, and trying to stay strong enough to make good decisions late in the hunt.

Matt draws from 34 years of hunting and guiding western big game across high alpine terrain, canyon systems, and dark timber, along with 30 years as a professional strength, conditioning, and nutrition coach, to explain how hunters can prepare specifically for the physical demands they'll face in September.

If you're searching for how to train for elk hunting, the best elk hunting workout, ruck training for hunting, mountain hunting fitness, weighted pack training, elk pack-out training, high-altitude hunting preparation, or a complete elk hunting conditioning plan, this episode gives you a practical framework you can start using now.

Because the real test isn't whether you feel strong on day one.

It's whether you still have the legs, lungs, and durability to keep hunting hard on day seven, eight, nine, and ten — and whether you're physically capable of getting an elk off the mountain when the real work begins.

📙 Elk Hunting E-Book Series (the complete elk hunting system) → https://backboneunlimited.com/collections/elk-hunting-series-e-books

If you want to take it further: 📋 Elk Hunt Plan Audit — I'll personally review your specific maps, terrain, access routes, pressure points, and wind strategy before you head into the field → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/elk-hunt-plan-audit

👥 Team Backbone — Daily guidance, accountability, and a community of serious western hunters putting in the work right alongside you → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/membership

🦵 Backbone Unlimited Training Plans — Built specifically for the physical demands of mountain elk hunting: legs, lungs, and the ability to handle miles under load day after day → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/training

🥩 Nutrition Plans — Get leaner before season, fuel long days in the field, and dial in your in-season performance → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/nutrition

August is one of the best months of the year to locate mature mule deer bucks — but finding a big velvet buck is only valuable if you understand what his summer pattern is actually telling you.

In this episode of the Backbone Unlimited Podcast, Matt Hartsky breaks down how to scout for mature mule deer bucks in August, where big bucks are most likely to spend the summer, how to glass them effectively, and how to turn August scouting information into a hunting plan for September and October.

Mature mule deer in August are highly focused on quality feed, thermal comfort, water, and security. That creates predictable patterns that can make summer one of the most valuable scouting windows of the entire mule deer season.

But there’s a major mistake hunters make: finding a buck in August, dropping a waypoint, and assuming he’ll still be standing there when hunting season opens.

He may not be.

In this episode, you’ll learn how to use August scouting to identify not just where a mature buck is today, but the terrain, bedding preferences, movement corridors, elevation changes, and security cover that can help you predict where he’ll be once velvet strips and hunting pressure begins.

Whether you’re hunting high-country mule deer, mountain bucks, canyon country, high desert mule deer, early archery mule deer, or later rifle seasons, August scouting can give you an enormous advantage when you know how to interpret what you’re seeing.

The goal isn’t simply to find deer.

The goal is to locate mature bucks, understand why they’re using that country, identify the terrain they trust, and build a hunting strategy that still works after summer patterns begin to change.

📙 Mule Deer Hunting E-Book Series (the complete mule deer hunting system) → https://backboneunlimited.com/collections/mule-deer-hunting-e-book-series

If you want to take it further: 📋 Elk Hunt Plan Audit — I'll personally review your specific maps, terrain, access routes, pressure points, and wind strategy before you head into the field → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/elk-hunt-plan-audit

👥 Team Backbone — Daily guidance, accountability, and a community of serious western hunters putting in the work right alongside you → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/membership

🦵 Backbone Unlimited Training Plans — Built specifically for the physical demands of mountain elk hunting: legs, lungs, and the ability to handle miles under load day after day → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/training

🥩 Nutrition Plans — Get leaner before season, fuel long days in the field, and dial in your in-season performance → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/nutrition

Most elk hunters see a blue line on a digital map, mark it as water, and start hiking. Two days later, they’ve checked multiple dry creeks, pressured good country, and still haven’t found elk.

That’s not scouting. That’s hiking.

In this episode of Backbone Unlimited, Matt Hartsky breaks down how to find high-probability elk water on a map before you ever set foot in the mountains. You’ll learn how to separate reliable September water from seasonal drainages, locate hidden springs and seeps using satellite imagery, and identify the unmarked water sources other hunters overlook.

Water alone doesn’t mean elk. The best water sources sit where multiple factors converge: secure bedding cover, clean wind access, low hunting pressure, favorable terrain, and nearby elk sign.

Inside this episode, you’ll learn:

How to evaluate creeks, ponds, springs, seeps, and wallows on a digital hunting map

Two focused hours of elk map scouting can save you two full days of guesswork in the mountains.

Whether you’re preparing for an early-season archery elk hunt, hunting pressured public land, or trying to improve your elk e-scouting system, this episode will help you eliminate low-probability country and concentrate your time where elk are most likely to be.

📙 Elk Hunting E-Book Series (the complete elk hunting system) → https://backboneunlimited.com/collections/elk-hunting-series-e-books

If you want to take it further: 📋 Elk Hunt Plan Audit — I'll personally review your specific maps, terrain, access routes, pressure points, and wind strategy before you head into the field → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/elk-hunt-plan-audit

👥 Team Backbone — Daily guidance, accountability, and a community of serious western hunters putting in the work right alongside you → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/membership

🦵 Backbone Unlimited Training Plans — Built specifically for the physical demands of mountain elk hunting: legs, lungs, and the ability to handle miles under load day after day → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/training

🥩 Nutrition Plans — Get leaner before season, fuel long days in the field, and dial in your in-season performance → https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/nutrition

Early season elk hunting and hunting rutting bulls require two completely different strategies. Yet every September, hunters arrive with the same calls, the same marked locations, and the same plan—whether they’re hunting September 1 or September 20.

In this episode, Matt Hartsky explains why using rut tactics on early season elk can destroy predictable patterns, educate bulls, and make the rest of your season harder. He also breaks down why patient, structure-based early season tactics become a liability once the rut begins and elk start reorganizing their movement around cows and breeding.

You’ll learn how to hunt early season elk by identifying feed-to-timber transitions, water corridors, terrain pinch points, bedding routes, fresh sign, and other predictable movement patterns. Matt explains why early September calling should usually be minimal, why aggressive bugling can push bulls out of huntable areas, and how to protect productive locations instead of pressuring them until they go cold.

Then, the episode shifts into rut hunting strategy: locating vocal elk, staying mobile, closing distance, reading individual bulls, and adjusting your calling approach for herd bulls versus satellite bulls. Matt also explains why early season locations such as wallows and water sources may become rut traps once bulls begin following cows across multiple drainages.

Most importantly, you’ll learn the four signals that tell you when it’s time to switch playbooks: natural vocalization, extended daylight movement, bulls mixing with cow groups, and aggressive responses to calling.

Whether you’re bowhunting elk during the first week of September or chasing bugling bulls during the peak rut, this episode will help you recognize which phase you’re actually hunting—and choose the tactics that match it.

If you want my eyes on your actual elk hunt plan before you head into the field — your maps, access, terrain, pressure points, wind and thermals, and overall strategy — book an Elk Hunt Plan Audit and I'll help you build the right approach for whichever phase of September you're hunting: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/elk-hunt-plan-audit

If you want to study the complete elk hunting system on your own, start with my Elk Hunting Series E-Books: https://backboneunlimited.com/collections/elk-hunting-series-e-books

For daily guidance, accountability, and a community of serious western hunters working toward the same goals, join Team Backbone: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/membership

If the missing piece is your body — legs, lungs, and the ability to handle mountain miles under a heavy pack across all of September — check out my Backbone Unlimited Training Plans: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/training

For pre-season body composition, in-field fueling, and in-season performance nutrition, check out my Nutrition Plans: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/nutrition

At 49 years old, after 34 years of hunting and guiding elk across the West, I’ve made enough mistakes to know which ones cost hunters the most.

This episode isn’t about the bulls I’ve killed, the hunts that went according to plan, or the decisions that made me look like I had everything figured out. It’s an honest breakdown of the elk hunting mistakes that cost me opportunities, unfilled tags, wounded confidence, and—in one case—an animal I never recovered.

Experience doesn’t automatically make you a better elk hunter. Honest experience does.

In this episode, I break down seven hard-earned elk hunting lessons that changed how I call, move, set up, train, manage the wind, and make decisions under pressure.

You’ll learn:

• Why blaming weather, hunting pressure, moon phase, or other hunters prevents real improvement

I also share the mistake that still haunts me most: taking a shot I knew wasn’t right.

The angle was poor. The bull was moving. The distance was beyond what I’d prepared for. I released anyway, wounded the bull, and never recovered him. That decision permanently changed the standards I carry into the mountains.

Elk hunting success isn’t only about finding elk or becoming a better caller. It’s about controlling your emotions when a bull is close, respecting the wind, trusting good country, maintaining your shooting standards, and preparing your body for multiple hard days in steep terrain.

These lessons apply whether you’re preparing for your first public-land elk hunt or you’ve spent decades chasing bulls with a bow. You’re going to make mistakes in elk country. The question is whether you’ll accept responsibility, study what happened, and make sure the same mistake doesn’t cost you again.

Thirty-four years. Seven mistakes. These are the ones that cost me the most.

I hope they cost you less.

Listen now for a direct, honest discussion about elk calling mistakes, wind management, public-land hunting pressure, ethical shot selection, backcountry hunting fitness, staying in productive elk country, and becoming a more consistent elk hunter.

Explore the Backbone Unlimited elk hunting e-book series, training plans, nutrition programs, and personalized Elk Hunt Plan Audits at BackboneUnlimited.com.

Most elk hunters have a plan for opening morning. Very few have a clear elk hunting strategy for days 4, 6, 8, or 10.

That’s why so many promising 10-day elk hunts start falling apart halfway through the trip. Fatigue builds, the elk aren’t cooperating, confidence drops, and hunters begin making emotional decisions they should’ve made before ever reaching the trailhead.

In this episode of Backbone Unlimited, Matt Hartsky breaks down a complete day-by-day plan for a 10-day elk hunt. Instead of treating the entire hunt like one long push, you’ll learn how to divide it into four distinct phases—each with its own objective, decision rules, opportunities, and potential mistakes.

You’ll learn:

• Why days 1 and 2 should focus on locating elk and building information

Whether you’re preparing for an archery elk hunt, rifle elk hunt, guided hunt, or a do-it-yourself public-land elk hunt, this episode will help you build a plan that extends beyond opening weekend.

Matt draws from 34 years of western elk hunting and guiding experience, along with 30 years as a professional strength, conditioning, and nutrition coach, to explain why hunters who perform for the full duration of a difficult hunt are rarely relying on motivation alone. They’ve built a system that tells them what to do when the excitement fades, the body gets tired, and the easy decisions disappear.

A 10-day elk hunt gives you enough time to locate elk, learn their patterns, adjust your strategy, recover from mistakes, and still fill your tag—but only when every day has a purpose.

If you want my eyes on your actual elk hunt plan before you head into the field — your maps, access, terrain, pressure points, wind and thermals, and overall strategy — book an Elk Hunt Plan Audit and I'll help you build the right approach for whichever phase of September you're hunting: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/elk-hunt-plan-audit

If you want to study the complete elk hunting system on your own, start with my Elk Hunting Series E-Books: https://backboneunlimited.com/collections/elk-hunting-series-e-books For daily guidance, accountability, and a community of serious western hunters working toward the same goals, join Team Backbone: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/membership

If the missing piece is your body — legs, lungs, and the ability to handle mountain miles under a heavy pack across all of September — check out my Backbone Unlimited Training Plans: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/training

For pre-season body composition, in-field fueling, and in-season performance nutrition, check out my Nutrition Plans: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/nutrition

How do you find and kill elk when glassing isn’t an option?

In thick timber elk country, visibility may be limited to 50 yards or less. There are no open basins to glass, no distant ridgelines to scan, and no opportunity to locate elk from miles away. Your binoculars become less important, and tracks, beds, rubs, wallows, sound, scent, terrain, and wind become your primary tools.

In this episode, I break down a complete system for hunting elk in dark timber. You’ll learn how to use topographic maps to identify north-facing benches, hidden water, finger drainages, bedding areas, and overlooked terrain before entering the woods. I also explain how to read fresh elk sign, distinguish active areas from old sign, and recognize when you’ve entered a bull’s core living area.

We’ll cover the slow still-hunting pace required in dense timber, how rain and wind can help conceal your movement, and why stopping to listen and smell the air can locate elk you’ll never see from a distance. You’ll also learn how calling strategy changes at close range, why soft cow calls and raking can outperform aggressive bugling, when to stop calling, and how to manage unstable wind and thermals inside heavy cover.

Thick timber doesn’t make elk impossible to hunt. It requires a different system—one built around terrain, sign, patience, sound, scent, close-range positioning, and disciplined movement.

Read the map. Trust the sign. Slow down. Control the wind. Hunt every step like an elk could appear at 40 yards—because it probably can.

If you want my eyes on your actual elk hunt plan before you head into the field — your maps, access, terrain, pressure points, wind and thermals, and overall strategy — book an Elk Hunt Plan Audit and I'll help you build the right approach for whichever phase of September you're hunting: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/elk-hunt-plan-audit

If you want to study the complete elk hunting system on your own, start with my Elk Hunting Series E-Books: https://backboneunlimited.com/collections/elk-hunting-series-e-books For daily guidance, accountability, and a community of serious western hunters working toward the same goals, join Team Backbone: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/membership

If the missing piece is your body — legs, lungs, and the ability to handle mountain miles under a heavy pack across all of September — check out my Backbone Unlimited Training Plans: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/training

For pre-season body composition, in-field fueling, and in-season performance nutrition, check out my Nutrition Plans: https://backboneunlimited.com/pages/nutrition