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The 1960 College Football season was one of the wildest and weirdest seasons in the sport’s history. Ole Miss and Minnesota are the two teams claiming the national championship, which should prove the previous statement. Alex and Gabe get into which team should actually be crowned the 1960 champion and a bunch of other weird stories from this season, including how Purdue finished in the top 15 with a 4-4-1 record, a bribery scandal, and the worst player to win the Most Outstanding Passer award. Subscribe to the podcast at ballthroughtheages.substack.com. Graphics by @wlohaty (Tom Brown featured). *Important note: This episode was recorded two weeks ago so we’ve been in quaratine for far longer than we said.* Show OutlineWho are the challengers for the title and what is their claim? Weirdest thing to happen in this season Kansas plays the #1 team three times A UF-FSU Bribery scheme The winless Sammy Baugh winnerLet’s eliminate some teams. Who didn't play anybody?Who has a disqualifying loss?Two teams eliminatedWho wins the title?Apply PlayoffApply the selection at the time (before bowls) Apply selection after the bowls Stuff that didn’t make it There was supposed to be a new bowl game in this season: the Gotham Bowl in Yankee Stadium. But it was cancelled after Army and Air Force pulled out. The next year, the Gotham Bowl would secure Oregon State only to have no opponent for the Beavers. After a two-year run in ‘62 and ‘63, the bowl folded. Pitt’s Mike Ditka finished 6th in Heisman voting. SourcesTipTop25 re-ranked this season and choose a champion. This site has amazing breakdowns of seasons like this one. This Iowa football hype video from 1960 is an absolute must watch. It’s where we got two of the sounds for this podcast. Get on the email list at ballthroughtheages.substack.com

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The Al Horford Phenomenon is something that we have noticed over the course of the All-Star center’s career. Almost every time he is brought up, someone is claiming that he is either underrated or overrated and then calling him trash or a superstar. On this episode, we delve into why both those opinions are wrong. More importantly, we try to figure out why it is happening and what effect the phenomenon has had on Horford’s career. Subscribe to our substack: ballthroughtheages.substack.com.

Show Outline

* What is the Al Horford phenomenon

* What is Horford’s true value

* Vital Stats

* One-Sentence Description

* Can he be the 3rd best player on a championship team?

* Player Comparisons

* The history of the Phenomenon

* Took shape early in Atlanta and was solidified in 2012-13

* Takes off in 2014-15 with Hawks winning 60 games

* Then, it becomes a thing. You can only talk about Al Horford by talking about whether people underrate or overrate him.

* Why has this happened?

* Great guy

* Excels at the little things

* Casuals vs Smarts

* Perhaps he’s in the wrong era

* Other examples

* Mike Conley

* Rudy Gobert

Stuff that didn’t make it

* Horford somewhat struggles against Tristen Thompson, especially in the playoffs. Here are their head-to-head stats:

* Thompson leads the series 26-15 with TT’s 16-4 playoff record. Thanks, Lebron!

* Horford has out-rebounded Thompson twice in 20 playoff meetings.

* He has had some of his worst games against Thompson including putting up 2 points and 4 rebounds as the Cavs swept the Hawks in 2015.

* He’s Dominican and speaks Spanish. I’m extra mad we didn’t bring this up cause it may have been our only opportunity to use my favorite song from Scrubs as a soundbite.

* Horford has the softest eyes ever. I’m serious:

Sources

* Ben Golliver, Sports Illustrated: The All-Ignored Team

* Adam Fromal, B/R: Meet Al Horford, the NBA's Hidden Superstar

* Zach Lowe, Grantland: The Unassuming, Unknown Superstar Status of Al Horford

* Tommy Heinsohn says Horford isn’t great

* Chris Mannix, Yahoo: Celtics' Al Horford making underrated excellence his calling card

* No guy on r/celtics you are not the only one who thinks Horford is overrated

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The Al Horford Phenomenon is something that we have noticed over the course of the All-Star center’s career. Almost every time he is brought up, someone is claiming that he is either underrated or overrated and then calling him trash or a superstar. On this episode, we delve into why both those opinions are wrong. More importantly, we try to figure out why it is happening and what effect the phenomenon has had on Horford’s career. Subscribe to our substack: ballthroughtheages.substack.com. Show Outline What is the Al Horford phenomenon What is Horford’s true value Vital Stats One-Sentence Description Can he be the 3rd best player on a championship team? Player Comparisons The history of the PhenomenonTook shape early in Atlanta and was solidified in 2012-13 Takes off in 2014-15 with Hawks winning 60 gamesThen, it becomes a thing. You can only talk about Al Horford by talking about whether people underrate or overrate him. Why has this happened?Great guy Excels at the little things Casuals vs SmartsPerhaps he’s in the wrong era Other examples Mike Conley Rudy Gobert Stuff that didn’t make it Horford somewhat struggles against Tristen Thompson, especially in the playoffs. Here are their head-to-head stats: Thompson leads the series 26-15 with TT’s 16-4 playoff record. Thanks, Lebron!Horford has out-rebounded Thompson twice in 20 playoff meetings. He has had some of his worst games against Thompson including putting up 2 points and 4 rebounds as the Cavs swept the Hawks in 2015. He’s Dominican and speaks Spanish. I’m extra mad we didn’t bring this up cause it may have been our only opportunity to use my favorite song from Scrubs as a soundbite. Horford has the softest eyes ever. I’m serious: SourcesBen Golliver, Sports Illustrated: The All-Ignored TeamAdam Fromal, B/R: Meet Al Horford, the NBA's Hidden Superstar Zach Lowe, Grantland: The Unassuming, Unknown Superstar Status of Al Horford Tommy Heinsohn says Horford isn’t greatChris Mannix, Yahoo: Celtics' Al Horford making underrated excellence his calling cardNo guy on r/celtics you are not the only one who thinks Horford is overrated Get on the email list at ballthroughtheages.substack.com

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Game 7 of the 1970 NBA Finals is remembered for one moment: Willis Reed emerging from the tunnel to play despite tearing his quadricep four days earlier. Reed’s return is said to have sparked the Knicks’s victory and their first world championship. Yet, the story of these NBA Finals reaches far beyond that moment. It includes everyone from Howard Cosell to Richard Nixon. Gabe and Alex explore all of that, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Bradley, and Dave Debusschere in the first episode of Ball Through The Ages. Subscribe to us on substack to get every episode sent to your inbox: ballthroughtheages.substack.com. Follow us on twitter: @ballthroughages. Graphics by @wlohaty.

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Show Outline

* Opening-Why are we talking about this briefly 

* Study Hall (background) 

* Lakers

* Knicks

* Series leading up to this

* The Skinny

* Knicks blow out the Lakers from the start.

* Walt Fraizer finishes with 36 points, 19 assists, and 7 rebounds

* Crucial moments 

* Willis Reed coming into game

* Knicks first 5 minutes

* Frazier’s second quarter run

* Frazier 7-9 in the 3rd quarter, really puts the game away 

* Who Lived up to the Hype 

* Willis Reed 

* Walt Fraizer 

* The Knicks and MSG

* Jerry West 

* Wilt Chamberlain

* Time Machine (what most took you back to that time or what looks the weirdest now)

* Short shorts

* Wilt’s underhand layups 

* Tip offs at the start of every quarter 

* Names of the guys in this game 

* Playoff format and geography

* Civil War tape jobs

* Legacy 

* This should be the Clyde Frazier game!

* Bill Bradley and Dave Debusschere 

* Best time ever for Knicks, Jets, Mets fans

* Nixon’s wild night

Stuff that didn’t make it

* Jerry West had an 81 inch wingspan despite being 6’3”

* The New York Times story on the Lakers was a bit dramatic:

* WALT FRAIZER HAD 36 POINTS AND 19 ASSISTS. We mentioned that twice but it doesn’t feel like it was enough.

Sources

* Full game on YouTube

* Excerpt from “The Show” by Roland Lazenby where Jerry West complains about Wilt’s free throws

* Sports Illustrated story on game 7

* The Atlantic on Nixon’s wild night

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Game 7 of the 1970 NBA Finals is remembered for one moment: Willis Reed emerging from the tunnel to play despite tearing his quadricep four days earlier. Reed’s return is said to have sparked the Knicks’s victory and their first world championship. Yet, the story of these NBA Finals reaches far beyond that moment. It includes everyone from Howard Cosell to Richard Nixon. Gabe and Alex explore all of that, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Bradley, and Dave Debusschere in the first episode of Ball Through The Ages. Subscribe to us on substack to get every episode sent to your inbox: ballthroughtheages.substack.com. Follow us on twitter: @ballthroughages. Graphics by @wlohaty. ————————————————————Show Outline Opening-Why are we talking about this briefly Study Hall (background) LakersKnicksSeries leading up to thisThe Skinny Knicks blow out the Lakers from the start. Walt Fraizer finishes with 36 points, 19 assists, and 7 reboundsCrucial moments Willis Reed coming into gameKnicks first 5 minutesFrazier’s second quarter runFrazier 7-9 in the 3rd quarter, really puts the game away Who Lived up to the Hype Willis Reed Walt Fraizer The Knicks and MSGJerry West Wilt ChamberlainTime Machine (what most took you back to that time or what looks the weirdest now)Short shortsWilt’s underhand layups Tip offs at the start of every quarter Names of the guys in this game Playoff format and geographyCivil War tape jobsLegacy This should be the Clyde Frazier game!Bill Bradley and Dave Debusschere Best time ever for Knicks, Jets, Mets fansNixon’s wild night Stuff that didn’t make it Jerry West had an 81 inch wingspan despite being 6’3”The New York Times story on the Lakers was a bit dramatic: WALT FRAIZER HAD 36 POINTS AND 19 ASSISTS. We mentioned that twice but it doesn’t feel like it was enough. SourcesFull game on YouTubeExcerpt from “The Show” by Roland Lazenby where Jerry West complains about Wilt’s free throws Sports Illustrated story on game 7The Atlantic on Nixon’s wild night Get on the email list at ballthroughtheages.substack.com

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Ball Through The Ages is live! This is the trailer episode, which will briefly describe the show and tell you about us. If you want to know more, check out our About page and our twitter account: @ballthroughages. Thanks for listening.

If you like, please forward this on to your friends who need some sports nostalgia in their lives. If you’re getting this emailed forwarded to you, please subscribe to the newsletter and come on this journey with us.

As a reward for reading this, here’s a great compilation of Gus Johnson’s best calls:

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Ball Through The Ages is live! This is the trailer episode, which will briefly describe the show and tell you about us. If you want to know more, check out our About page and our twitter account: @ballthroughages. Thanks for listening. If you like, please forward this on to your friends who need some sports nostalgia in their lives. If you’re getting this emailed forwarded to you, please subscribe to the newsletter and come on this journey with us.As a reward for reading this, here’s a great compilation of Gus Johnson’s best calls: Get on the email list at ballthroughtheages.substack.com

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