In this episode, Kyle sits down with Drew Gillen, co-founder and CEO of Adesic, for a candid conversation about what it really takes to build financial infrastructure in crypto.

Drew shares his founder journey, from early startup attempts and painful pivots to building Adesic in the space between traditional finance and blockchain. They talk openly about stablecoin access, global money movement, compliance, and why the legacy financial system is not designed for how digital assets actually work today.

Drew’s story is a reminder that meaningful adoption does not come from big ideas alone, but from building systems that work reliably inside the constraints of the real world.

Chapters & Timestamps

00:00 – Who is Drew Gillen and how did he get here?

04:00 – What early startup failures shaped this company?

08:30 – Why does crypto still struggle with real world payments?

13:30 – What problem is Adesic actually solving?

18:00 – How does Adesic work in practice?

24:30 – How do fees, compliance, and speed really trade off?

32:30 – Why did the company rebrand and what changed after?

38:00 – What does early traction and fundraising really feel like?

44:30 – What should founders building in crypto focus on next?

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Drew:

Drew Gillen is the co-founder and CEO of Adesic, a fintech company building infrastructure at the intersection of traditional finance and cryptocurrency. He began building in tech at a young age, learning to code, assembling computers, and launching his first company at 18.

Before Adesic, Drew experimented across e-commerce, algorithmic trading, and crypto data products, experiences that shaped his focus on infrastructure, product control, and execution. Today, he leads Adesic’s mission to make stablecoin access and global money movement practical, reliable, and usable for real businesses operating in the real world.

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Dan and Rae join Kyle after watching Jake Paul's brutal loss to Anthony Joshua… Six rounds of running followed by getting his jaw broken in two places. They break down why the fight was less boxing match and more public execution, discuss whether we're obligated to keep watching Paul's fights, and debate if spectacle has completely replaced sport in modern entertainment.

Ray fills us in on her political aspirations: she's running for Ohio governor as a Republican to ensure voters have a choice on the primary ballot. The gang discusses closed primaries, political kayfabe, and why sometimes the art project IS the point.

Trump signs an executive order to reschedule marijuana from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3 but what does that actually mean for dispensaries, research funding, and your weed stocks? The crew debates whether executive orders are just temporary wins that get undone every four years.

Plus: AI customer service is garbage (Kyle's Lowe's nightmare), why AI makes up 70% of its research, Peter Piper Pizza's AI phone ordering disaster, Darwin Awards haven't been given since 2022, frontrunners to replace Jerome Powell as Fed Chair, and why Germans use "Kevin" as an insult for annoying Americans.

Topics: Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua fight recap, marijuana rescheduling Schedule 3, Ray Faba Ohio governor campaign, AI customer service failures, executive orders, Fed Chair replacement, boxing vs spectacle

Timestamps:

• 01:00 Jake Paul Fight Recap Begins
• 13:00 Ray's Governor Campaign Announcement
• 18:00 Marijuana Rescheduling Discussion
• 28:00 AI Customer Service Disasters
• 39:00 Fed Chair Replacement Talk
• 42:00 "Kevin" Insult Origins

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Dan:

Dan co-founded 2 Bulls in a China Shop with Kyle when their shared passion for active trading ignited during the lockdowns. Their daily discussions about trades, interests, and the valuable lessons learned created the bedrock for what eventually evolved into both the 2 Bulls in a China Shop and Band of Traders podcasts.

While navigating the complexities of trading, Dan infused humor into the shows with his self-deprecating wit and candid discussions about their trading experiences. This dynamic duo's chemistry became the catalyst for a podcast that resonated widely, capturing the attention of a diverse audience.

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Rae:

Rae Faba is running for Ohio Governor as a Republican because she refuses to live in a kayfabe world. Pro wrestling fan, cyborg with a metallic arm, and firm believer that primaries should have more than one candidate... She's not asking you to vote for her, just asking to be on the ballot so voters have a choice. Also, she has campaign money in a Ziploc baggie on her refrigerator and her first donation was $10 in $2 bills. Find her canvassing or follow her campaign on Facebook for the most entertaining political art project in Ohio. ***This Bio generated by Lowe’s Customer Service Agent. I found something it CAN do***

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In this week’s special episode, Kyle opens up about giving up day trading as a primary income source after coming to grips with the reality of the stresses involved and talks about some new changes to the format. The group then pivots to discussing the real future: Bear and Dan are both going electric with new EVs, complete with a deep dive into DIY solar installation that could save you $50k. Dan shares the inside story of his Vegas job shutting down mid-honeymoon, the economics of Strip entertainment, and why tourism is shifting. Plus: Michael Burry closes his hedge fund after calling 25 of the last 2 crashes.

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Dan:

Dan co-founded 2 Bulls in a China Shop with Kyle when their shared passion for active trading ignited during the lockdowns. Their daily discussions about trades, interests, and the valuable lessons learned created the bedrock for what eventually evolved into both the 2 Bulls in a China Shop and Band of Traders podcasts.

While navigating the complexities of trading, Dan infused humor into the shows with his self-deprecating wit and candid discussions about their trading experiences. This dynamic duo's chemistry became the catalyst for a podcast that resonated widely, capturing the attention of a diverse audience.

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Bear:

Bear made the transition from investing to trading at the beginning of COVID. After initial success with options, he quickly learned that his luck was greater than his skill and shifted his focus to futures. Bear has fully embraced the role of emotions and mental capital with the mindset that trading futures is purely an internal struggle that rewards patience, calm, bravery, focus, passion, and commitment. Beyond markets Bear finds joy in his community as a volunteer firefighter and EMT.

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The data broker industry generates $500 billion annually selling your information without permission. Valt is building the infrastructure to flip that model, giving users control of their data and the ability to monetize it themselves.

Founder Zac Wickstrom and CCO Jarrett Truett join us to explain why every previous attempt at building a data marketplace has failed, and how they're solving the fundamental chicken-and-egg problem. With an exclusive partnership with Sentinel's decentralized VPN, they're bringing in users now with a product people actually want, while building toward the ultimate goal: 10 million users earning $10+ monthly from their own data.

The technical breakthrough? EZI, a novel cryptographic protocol they invented that's 10,000x faster than standard zero-knowledge proofs. It enables data to be provably private yet still monetizable, solving the paradox that's plagued every data marketplace attempt.

Key Topics:

• Why engineers have more access to your data than you do
• The $500 billion data broker industry and why lawmakers want change
• How Valt defeated the data marketplace chicken-and-egg problem
• Exclusive Sentinel DVPN partnership as competitive moat
• EZI cryptographic protocol: 300 seconds vs. 42 days for data syncing
• Current traction: 20,000 MAU, revenue positive, 400% monthly growth
• Product roadmap: Valt AI for "Googling your life"
• Seed round details: $3M raise at $20M valuation targeting $1B at Series A
• Why data sovereignty is the next major consumer movement

Links:

• Valt: https://valtdata.com
• White Paper & Deck: https://valtdata.com/investors

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Zac:

Zac Wickstrom is founder of Valt, building the world's first viable data marketplace. After dropping out of college and moving to San Francisco for App Academy, he worked at Power and Wayfair, where he realized engineers had far more access to user data than users themselves.

This insight led him to invent EZI, a cryptographic protocol 10,000x faster than standard zero-knowledge proofs, solving the fundamental challenge that's caused every data marketplace to fail. Backed by Gain Ventures with 20,000 monthly active users, Zac is building the platform that gives people control of their data while creating a new economy where individuals, not corporations, profit from personal information.

Learn More Here: https://valtdata.com

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Jarrett:

Jarrett Truett, CCO at Valt, brings over a decade of entrepreneurial experience from running his own business. Self-taught in five programming languages, he handles design, Web3 development, and strategic planning at Valt.

Jarrett's focus is making data sovereignty accessible, as in visualizing what companies actually know about users and how to monetize it. He's created over 50 mockups exploring how to show users their digital footprint through Valt's data command center. His work is building the user experience that will onboard millions to the concept of data sovereignty and turn privacy concerns into financial empowerment.

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What happens when AI generates photorealistic content in seconds… and quantum computers can break encryption just as fast?

Roman Cyganov (Founder/CEO of Antix) has spent a decade building digital twin technology, creating content for HBO, Warner Brothers, and AAA games. His platform now generates digital twins instantly, with AI agents that manage social media, track trends, and conduct tasks autonomously.

Nauman (Founder of BeQuantum.ai) is addressing the quantum security threat. With quantum computers demonstrating computational supremacy, he's implementing post-quantum cryptography to protect digital identities and blockchain systems.

Together, they're building a verified marketplace where creators monetize AI twins through blockchain verification and quantum-grade security.

Key Topics:

• Digital twins: from year-long projects to instant creation
• Quantum threats to current encryption
• AI agents for autonomous content creation
• Blockchain verification for deepfake detection
• Monetizing digital identity
• Partnerships exclusive

Explore AIGE with Antix at https://linktr.ee/aige.in

Learn more about Quantum Security at Bequantum.ai

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Roman:

Roman Cyganov is the founder and CEO of Antix, an AI platform for digital twins and autonomous agents. He's built products for HBO, Warner Brothers, Tencent, and AAA titles like Game of Thrones, FIFA, and PUBG. An internationally recognized artist whose work appeared on Times Square, Roman pioneered digital twin technology in 2013. Based in Dubai and advised by Aether co-founder Mark Rydon, he's building infrastructure for creators to monetize verified digital identities.

Learn More Here: https://linktr.ee/aige.in

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Nauman:

Nauman Arshad, founder of BeQuantum.ai, is protecting digital assets in the post-quantum era. With decades in cryptography, embedded systems, and cybersecurity since the 1990s internet boom, he implements quantum random number generators and post-quantum cryptography following NIST and NSA standards. Based in Dubai, he's future-proofing security infrastructure as quantum computers threaten traditional encryption, ensuring AI platforms are built on unbreakable foundations.

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What if your podcast, artwork, 3D model — or even your AI agent — could earn money without YouTube, Patreon, or middlemen?

In this week’s episode, George Hu, founder of Dunback Meadow, reveals how his decentralized blockchain platform is building the economic layer of the agentic web, where AI agents negotiate, transact, and pay each other in real time. From mechanical engineer to blockchain innovator, George shares:

• Why 99% of crypto projects fail (and how Dunback Meadow survives)
• How to create a personal AI agent in under 60 seconds (live demo!)
• Why your content has real value - and how to license it directly to humans or AI
• The future of agent-to-agent commerce with crypto wallets and micro-payments
• Plus: Live screen-share - Kyle builds his first AI agent on air!

Whether you’re a creator, trader, or AI enthusiast, this episode will shift how you think about ownership, income, and the internet’s next evolution.

• Start now: www.dunbackmeadow.com - Free signup, no code needed
• Art Contest Alert: Submit by late November 2025 for crypto prizes & exposure!

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George:

A former mechanical engineering consultant with over a decade of hands-on design experience, George Hu made the leap into blockchain in 2018 after attending a Harvard blockchain conference that “hooked” him on its revolutionary potential.

Frustrated by failed ventures and the “chicken-and-egg” problem of product vs. funding, George taught himself modern coding (JavaScript, Solidity) and built Dunback Meadow from the ground up.

Dunback Meadow is a decentralized, multi-format content and AI agent marketplace… Think YouTube meets OpenSea meets Patreon but powered by blockchain. Creators upload podcasts, videos, art, 3D models, or AI agents and license them directly to humans or AI, with instant crypto payouts.

George’s vision: Become the economic layer of the “agentic web” - where trillions of AI agents transact autonomously, negotiate contracts, and pay each other in real time.

No middlemen. No ad revenue splits. Just creators owning their value.

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• Current Event: Art Contest (Nov 2025) – Win crypto + global exposure

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Hosts Kyle and Sean Sawyer from Sound Performance Psychology continue their “Trading Endgame” mini-series with an exploration of one of the most deceptively uplifting emotions in trading: Hope. In this episode, they dissect how hope (so often celebrated as a virtue) can quietly sabotage performance when it mutates into Hopium. From Buddhist philosophy and trauma psychology to practical trading examples, they unpack the fine line between adaptive optimism and intoxicating self-delusion. Through humor, listener questions, and personal reflection, Kyle and Sean reveal how hope can both anchor and derail traders… depending on whether it’s rooted in grounded values or fantasy avoidance. They examine how traders use hope to justify inaction, how timeframes change its impact, and why journaling emotional data is as crucial as tracking price action.

Key highlights include:

The difference between hope, Hopium, and healthy optimism, and why context is everything.

“Three Faces of Hope”: revenge trader, swing-trade paralysis, and the hot-handed gambler.

Why fantasy and avoidance masquerade as hope, and how to spot the difference.

Practical interventions to build awareness, defuse intoxicating thoughts, and find balance between presence and aspiration.

A reminder that emotional mastery is edge… and most traders never cultivate it.

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About Sean:

Sean Sawyer, a licensed psychotherapist since 2003, whose journey into the world of stock trading in the mid-2010s led him to become a full-time trader by 2017. Sean’s unique expertise lies at the intersection of psychology and trading, blending his in-depth understanding of human behavior with practical trading experience in shared trading commons, options, and futures.

Sean’s work in psychological trauma has been pivotal in shaping his approach to performance psychology. With a rich background in clinical settings, hospitals, universities, and private practice, he excels in helping individuals manage real and perceived threats—skills that are crucial for decision-making in high-pressure situations. His performance coaching, which began in 2010, spans corporate professionals, athletes, and performers, focusing on the mastery of threat response and resilience.

Known for his candid, evidence-based approach, Sean emphasizes the importance of confronting and transforming deep-seated patterns and beliefs. His performance coaching bridges the challenges of psychological resilience and high-stakes decision-making, offering invaluable insights for thriving in both personal and professional arenas.

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Hosts Kyle and Sean Sawyer from Sound Performance Psychology explore the often-overlooked phenomenon of euphoria in trading. Delving into the neurochemical drivers—such as norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin—they examine how the thrill of success can lead to mental gymnastics and addictive "chasing the dragon" behaviors. Through practical discussions and listener Q&A, they address why traders miss these highs, the risks of self-deception, and strategies to foster emotional maturity without dampening joy.

Key highlights include:

• The disclaimer on trading's unpredictable nature and the importance of professional advice.
• Real-world analogies to roller coasters and amusement parks to illustrate trading's emotional highs.
• Insights on breaking cycles of frustration and overconfidence.

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About Sean:

Sean Sawyer, a licensed psychotherapist since 2003, whose journey into the world of stock trading in the mid-2010s led him to become a full-time trader by 2017. Sean’s unique expertise lies at the intersection of psychology and trading, blending his in-depth understanding of human behavior with practical trading experience in shared trading commons, options, and futures.

Sean’s work in psychological trauma has been pivotal in shaping his approach to performance psychology. With a rich background in clinical settings, hospitals, universities, and private practice, he excels in helping individuals manage real and perceived threats—skills that are crucial for decision-making in high-pressure situations. His performance coaching, which began in 2010, spans corporate professionals, athletes, and performers, focusing on the mastery of threat response and resilience.

Known for his candid, evidence-based approach, Sean emphasizes the importance of confronting and transforming deep-seated patterns and beliefs. His performance coaching bridges the challenges of psychological resilience and high-stakes decision-making, offering invaluable insights for thriving in both personal and professional arenas.

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In this inspiring episode of The China Shop, host Kyle is joined by Bear Goes Long, Mike (Purdue), and special guest Cam, a Navy veteran turned eight-figure trader and investor. Cam shares his remarkable story: growing up dirt-poor on a North Carolina tobacco farm, escaping through military service as a corpsman and Naval Academy grad, and rejecting post-Navy contracting traps. Post-grad school in business analytics and economics, Cam dove into trading in 2016, starting with iron condors, evolving to a rules-based system emphasizing risk management, probabilities, and a four-layer plan blending stocks, options, and real estate. He details his obsession with hedging (gold, treasuries, VIX triggers), a simple stock screener for quality undervalued momentum plays (e.g., AMD shorts, ASML longs), and diverse businesses like billboards, laundries, and rentals. With transparency on wins (300% annual returns post-COVID resets) and losses ($190K on ADBE), Cam emphasizes escaping the financial system, helping vets through causes and his trading room, and avoiding greed. A must-listen for traders, vets, and aspiring entrepreneurs on building wealth with discipline.

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Cam:

Cam is a Navy veteran & management consultant turned 8 figure investor & trader. Trading let him retire at 35 & be able to support and provide for his family forever. Now he wants to help others escape the financial system and live the way we were meant to live: free. His system is a rule-based design that can be used for long term investing, swing trading or option selling on any schedule.

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Perdue:

Meet Perdue, a resilient and successful small business owner who wears the hats of a dedicated father and husband with pride. Perdue's journey hasn't been paved with ease; instead, he is a testament to the belief in hard work, discipline, and the doggedpursuit of one's goals.

Perdue is not just a successful business owner; he is also a seasoned trader with a diverse set of strategies. Countless hours spent backtesting and refining these strategies reflect his meticulous approach to trading. His dedication to mastering the craft positions him as a valuable contributor to the trading community. As a firm believer in the "Grind," Perdue chose to embrace putting in the work and serves as a example of how dedication and self-belief can propel you to great heights.

A self-taught, no-nonsense trader, Perdue is unwaveringly supportive, but he doesn't sugarcoat the truth. His belief in discipline and hard work is not only evident in his own journey but extends to his interactions with others. When Perdue recognizes these qualities in fellow traders, he goes above and beyond to offer support, especially when they are navigating through challenges.

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Bear:

Bear made the transition from investing to trading at the beginning of COVID. After initial success with options, he quickly learned that his luck was greater than his skill and shifted his focus to futures. Bear has fully embraced the role of emotions and mental capital with the mindset that trading futures is purely an internal struggle that rewards patience, calm, bravery, focus, passion, and commitment. Beyond markets Bear finds joy in his community as a volunteer firefighter and EMT.

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In this laid-back episode of The Band of Traders, host Kyle catches up with returning guests Bear Goes Long and Fleri amid house construction updates, a wild DEF CON Vegas trip, and family chaos like bounce house birthday bashes. The real gold kicks in with Fleri's raw August 2025 reflections on battling a brutal streak of 12 straight poker tournament bubbles and trading slumps from a fried PC and packed schedule. Shifting from "woe is me" to "I'm closer than I think," Fleri unpacks the power of mindset reframes… celebrating deep runs and solid entries while laser-focusing on exits, self-talk, and full-trade planning (entry, stop, target). With real-talk examples from recent NQ rips and ES tanks, the trio dives into ditching emotional piking, simplifying charts, and why outliers shouldn't derail your process. Packed with actionable insights for traders and poker pros, plus laughs on scalping vs. trading and the emotional grind.

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Fleri:

Fleri is a seasoned trader whose journey began in the early days of crypto exchanges and mid-cap stocks. Evolving over time, he redirected his focus to futures and intraday trading, specifically honing his expertise in ES, NQ, RTY, CL, and UB. His approach is deeply rooted in Market Auction Theory, navigating the market by tracking participants through a nuanced blend of pattern recognition and the confluence of Price Action and Order Flow.

At the heart of Fleri's trading philosophy is a meticulous plan of execution, identifying areas for the auction to potentially seek value. Leveraging Order Flow and Price Action, he capitalizes on opportunities that present themselves throughout the trading day. Fleri is not just a trader; he's a dedicated educator, sharing his insights through podcasts, Twitter, and Discord to support fellow traders on their journeys.

What sets Fleri apart is not only his technical prowess but also his lighthearted approach and transparency about both past and current struggles. In the complex world of trading, Fleri brings not only expertise but also a relatable and open demeanor, creating a supportive environment for traders to learn and thrive.

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Bear:

Bear made the transition from investing to trading at the beginning of COVID. After initial success with options, he quickly learned that his luck was greater than his skill and shifted his focus to futures. Bear has fully embraced the role of emotions and mental capital with the mindset that trading futures is purely an internal struggle that rewards patience, calm, bravery, focus, passion, and commitment. Beyond markets Bear finds joy in his community as a volunteer firefighter and EMT.

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