Be It Till You See It

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack the conversation with Pav Lertjitbanjong, founder of Pavness Leadership Lab, and why job security is an illusion for most people. They explore what it really means to build career resilience so you feel less anxious about change and more confident in your options. The conversation also highlights the three key numbers Pav says everyone should know to create stability in uncertain times. If you’ve been waiting to feel secure before making a move, this episode is a reminder that security is something you build.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Understanding career resilience as knowing your value beyond a job title.
• How emotional clarity reduces fear during career uncertainty.
• Understanding the role financial numbers play in personal stability.
• How strategic debt can support long-term financial stability.
• Why maintaining client relationships protects income for entrepreneurs.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• POT in London - https://xxll.co/pot
• Spring Training: How To Get Overhead - https://opc.me/events
• Pilates Posters - https://opc.me/posters
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• Layoff-Proof Your Life Emergency Checklist - https://www.layoffready.com/emergencykit
• Pav Lertjitbanjong's Website - https://www.pavness.com
• Ep. 352: Tess Waresmith - https://beitpod.com/tesswaresmith

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

People do need to know that their job security is an illusion, so that they can not only have career resilience, but also just be really aware of that they have a lot more power than they think. And I think sometimes people go, oh, my ability to stay in this job is their decision when it's actually your decision. 

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Brad Crowell 1:01  

Take it away. 

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the purposeful convo I had with Pav Lertjitbanjong in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Yeah. Do both. You got time. You can also put it on a 1.5 speed. I mean, we talk fast, but you can still understand us.

Brad Crowell 1:26  

Yeah. I mean, it's gonna be awesome. It was actually a great, very transparent convo is the right way to say it.

Lesley Logan 1:33  

I would say so I actually really appreciate, like, having someone be so honest about the transition that they're on. I don't think enough people share that. And so I think that was a beautiful gift for everyone listening. Because otherwise you just listen, people got their shit together, and you're like, oh, they got it all together. And it's like, well, you know, they they have it looks that way, but it's a journey.

Brad Crowell 1:53  

Yeah. And I think, I think the idea of preparing to step away from a job is always a win, you know, to have it together on the inside. So that's good. Anyway. What is today?

Lesley Logan 2:04  

Yes, well, today is January 22nd. It's four days until my birthday, everyone. 

Brad Crowell 2:09  

What? 

Lesley Logan 2:09  

Yeah, but that's not what today is. Today is January 22nd 2026 and it's Roe Versus Wade Day. Roe Versus Wade Day is celebrated on January 22nd, the anniversary of the court case that gave women agency over their bodies. And here we go. The US Supreme Court made a ruling that legalized abortion throughout the country, with variations from state to state depending on the length of the pregnancy, no matter what your opinion is on the controversial abortion debat,e should not be fucking controversial, and it does matter what your opinion is. But here we go. Roe Versus Wade Day marked a pivotal turn in US history, the anniversary of landmark court decision celebrated by people everywhere, especially by women. Unfortunately, on Friday, June 24th 2022 the Supreme Court overturned Roe Versus Wade, the landmark piece of legislation that made access to abortion a federal right in the United States. The decision dismantled 50 years of legal protection paved the way for individual states to curtail or outright ban abortion rights. My loves. 

Brad Crowell 2:59  

Which is happening. 

Lesley Logan 3:01  

It's happening. It's happened. People, women are losing their ability to have have babies because they can't get what they need. The biggest thing if you, if you're like, uncomfortable with the word abortion, and I get that because if you were raised religious, you probably were raised and it's like, the worst thing anyone can do. And like all these women regret it. I can't speak for these people. What I can say is, men get to go to every fucking state in the country, and their rights don't change. But if I go to different states, my rights do change. And for the majority of the listeners, you go to a different state, your rights do change. And it's just really pisses me off that we don't have like that we're constantly fighting for equality in this capacity. And what this means is hospitals and doctors in the areas where there is not abortion available will have less experience and less understanding about what to do when a mother needs it. And if you try to tell me, in case of like, the healthcare of the mother, the doctors are so scared and they will have to answer questions. 

Brad Crowell 3:59  

That they're not helping the mother.

Lesley Logan 4:01  

That they're that they're not so we have to wait till women go septic, yeah, which is the worst you you are lucky if you come back from that a normal person. So it just really pisses me off, because this is not a this should not be a fucking law. This is a health right.

Brad Crowell 4:15  

So as of November of this year, 2025, 12 states have near abortion bans, or for all intents and purposes, abortion bans in place. Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and West Virginia. 

Lesley Logan 4:32  

Was Idaho on there? 

Brad Crowell 4:33  

Idaho is on there. And addition, North Dakota has a near total ban that was recently revived in the state's Supreme Court, which makes it a felony to perform an abortion, except in limited medical emergency or cases of rape and incest. And that's the problem. The problem is the limited medical emergencies, and that's never clear. And so regardless of whether or not the doctor knows that that's what needs to happen, the hospital is basically saying, don't, don't do it because they're gonna get. Yeah or the doctors themselves are worried about it, because, you know, like, in Texas, they're like, going after doctors. It's nuts.

Lesley Logan 5:09  

There's okay. So I saw something recently, and I'm hopefully, as I as I say out loud, I'll get it right. So because some states are trying to grab doctors from other states that are helping women access abortion, right? Like some doctors from New York can send medications to people in different states and and allow them to safely, you know, have a decision over their body. And some of these states are trying to, poor women are going to different states, and then, you know, so the state that the woman is from is trying to do something to the doctors or the woman for doing that right in the place where they have a right. And someone explained it like, okay, Nevada has legalized gambling, right? But let's say you're from a state that doesn't have legalized gambling, and you go to Nevada and you gamble, and you win money, right? You gamble. It's proof you did it. That would be like the state you're from arresting you for gambling.

Brad Crowell 6:06  

So you didn't finish that. So then you go home to whatever state, yes, and they arrest you, yes. But you were in Nevada.

Lesley Logan 6:12  

Yes, where it's legal. 

Brad Crowell 6:14  

Right. 

Lesley Logan 6:15  

So if that, if you're like, oh, that doesn't make any sense. It's the same fucking thing when it comes to women's and abortions like this is and to be honest, like if you struggle with this, I really need you to do some extra research on what an abortion is, on what the Bible has even said. I need you to understand what, what, what week a baby is even viable on their own. And then I need you to look at how much it costs to be a parent, and you need to understand if you are also not voting for health care for children, for food at all of their schools and all these different things you do not care about life, you don't. If you are not, if you are also not voting for every single thing that makes it illegal to be poor in this country, you do you don't understand what being pro life actually means. And I know that sounds harsh, but that's how I feel. It's how I feel. I used to, used to think, okay, well, they can have a difference of opinion, not anymore, not when women are dying, not when women who are not able to have the babies that they want to have because something went wrong and that affects their ability to have babies in the future. No.

Brad Crowell 7:21  

Yeah, the laws that that are being passed are, I would argue that the terminology is confusing that I would not say it's fair to call them pro life. They're, in fact, pro birth. So they're, they're not looking out for the mother ever. They're looking out for what could hypothetically be a child someday, maybe. Right?

Lesley Logan 7:43  

Yeah, that they don't, that they're not going to care for once it's once it's born. 

Brad Crowell 7:48  

Well, that's not necessarily the case but. 

Lesley Logan 7:50  

I'm not talking about the parents. I'm talking about the law. I'm talking about the, the parents, oh, some of these people already have kids and they're like, I have enough. Some of them just are in the wrong time of their life. Some of them don't want to have them. Some of them, you know, it is with someone that they don't want to have a child with. This is all their rights to have. 

Brad Crowell 8:05  

Yeah. I mean, the running joke is that the law cares before you're born, and then once you turn 18 and you can join the military, but between those times, good luck.

Lesley Logan 8:15  

Yeah, yeah. So anyways, I, I know, I know there's there's there's, I understand if you are someone who has a hard time with this topic, because I do remember being a child and a teenager and a young adult having a problem with this topic. And the more research I did, the more I realized how many, how, how hard it is for a for the woman in this country, specifically, and how, how much, how, in this country, we have women who will die giving birth because we do not do proper medical research, we do not care baby like we have a high mortality rate in this country that we should for a first world country, because of all, and because what I've seen what having a baby does with her body, it is her choice. She should be able to do what she wants, and there isn't judgment negatively around it.

Brad Crowell 9:03  

Yeah,we have a higher maternal mortality rate than most other high income countries. Whis is mind blowing.

Lesley Logan 9:09  

And then when you go deeper, when you go deeper, look at how high it is for black women versus white women.

Brad Crowell 9:14  

Yeah, significantly higher risk for black women and women over 40.

Lesley Logan 9:17  

And if you are worried, it's because, oh, maybe it's a different No, a high school educated white woman will have more likelihood of surviving over a medically educated black woman because of racism in this country and the stress it does on our bodies. My loves, like I will always, I will fight for women's rights, and one of those rights is having choice over what happens to your body, period, no matter what state you're in and if you don't want babies to be aborted, then you need to go to your congress people make sure that they're taken care of, because I think more women would even have a child if they had help and support. We don't do that here. So on this day, call your congress person, see what they're doing for people who have children and need help.

Brad Crowell 10:00  

Yeah, yeah. This is a tough this is a tough conversation. I think that. 

Lesley Logan 10:06  

It's hard. 

Brad Crowell 10:06  

Well, it's, what frustrates me is also that this is for 50 years the law was clear, yeah, and then three years ago now, we've got a bunch of Supreme Court justices who are like, just kidding, and they're just taking these kinds of rights away. And that frustrates me more than anything, is that that, that that's even an option. That shit, it was, it was the law of the land, you know. So that's, that's insane to me, and I, I think that the only way that stability gets created is if we are all paying attention to the things that are happening in our state and also in our federal government. But you know, right now, it's up to every single state to protect their women, you know, individually. And so it's important for you to participate in this and be educated and call the people who are making the decisions in your state.

Lesley Logan 11:01  

And also, it used to be, if you didn't like something for you personally, you just don't do it. So if you don't like abortion, don't get one. 

Brad Crowell 11:08  

Right. 

Lesley Logan 11:09  

But like, like, you know, it's just, it's really hard. It's just it get gets me really. I was just at the I was just at the women's clinic today. I love my women's clinic. If you do live in Las Vegas, the WHASN clinic. Shout out to the WHASNclinic. It is fucking phenomenal. At any rate, they have like, a sign on the wall, which is like, how to prevent pregnancy, right? And sterilization for a woman, or vasectomy for a man, are in are like, not going to have a baby, not going to happen, okay? And then they go through like, okay here are the birth controls. This is how we have to change them. This is how effective they are. So it starts to go from 99.9% to like 97% to 94% here effectiveness in preventing pregnancy. And here's what it said at the bottom of this. And this is like mind blowing that they do not teach people in school because they don't want you to know, because they want you. They want you dumb and pregnant. They if you are not doing anything to prevent pregnancy. So you aren't on a birth control, you don't have any protection going on birth like things like that. He doesn't have anything. You're 85% likely to have a baby if you are, if you have reproductive abilities and you don't, don't do any intervention, the chance of you getting pregnant annually will be 85% not in your lifetime, annually. So don't be shocked when people end up pregnant. People can, they can accidentally take not even accidentally. They could get sick and they need an antibiotic, and it it causes their their birth control to not work, literally, right? I have friends who had IUDs, and their parents got pregnant with them. So like all people can do all the right things and still have this pregnancy happen, and it might not be the right time for them, or it might not be the right thing for them, and they that is their fucking business. Period. I have no judgment towards people who do it or don't do it. It's up to you, but it should be up to you, and the fact that it's not in certain states pisses me off. Anyways, we do need to move on, yeah, but hope, hopefully you're off. I feel like people are fired up with us, but just pass it on to your friend.

Brad Crowell 13:09  

Yeah. Well, look, let's shift gears here. That's a heavy topic that we're obviously very passionate about. So thanks for following along. Here's what's coming up in our world here. So it's right now, today, January 22nd is the second to last day to get the early bird for joining us this year in Cambodia at a Pilates retreat at Crow's nest, right? So go to crowsnestretreats.com. Tomorrow is the last day to get the early bird. January 23rd is the last day to get the early bird. Go to crowsnestretreats.com or just DM us if you want the link, we'll send it over. Next week is Lesley's birthday, like she already said.

Lesley Logan 13:44  

I know, I'll be 43 I know, so good. 

Brad Crowell 13:48  

We're just, we're just sharing that. We're probably gonna. 

Lesley Logan 13:51  

No birthday sale. 

Brad Crowell 13:52  

Go out to dinner or something here.

Lesley Logan 13:54  

Open a party, babe. We're having a party where you dress for the wrong party party.

Brad Crowell 13:58  

Oh yeah, yeah, we're doing that. That's right. Next month, February, Agency Mini is coming back. We're going to be doing Profitable Pilates is hosting Agency Mini. If you have ever felt like, what's the thing that sets me apart as a Pilates teacher from my my super close friend who's also a Pilates teacher, then you should come to Agency Mini. 

Lesley Logan 14:16  

Yeah. Or if you're frustrated by the studios in town where they are lacking training their own. They're like, they're buying, like, cheap and cheerful $200 reformers and packing people. And you're like, come to Agency Mini because we will with you and also give you what you need to stand out, because that's what we do.

Brad Crowell 14:33  

Yeah, so go to prfit.biz/mini. Just make a noise over there. 

Lesley Logan 14:40  

Just me making noise. 

Brad Crowell 14:41  

prfit.biz/mini that's profit without the O dot biz. And then in March, we're going to be bopping around Europe and looking forward to that. We're going to be in Poland and then in Brussels. So if you are anywhere near either of those places, go to xxll.co/poland, or xxll.co/brussels. And then in April, we're going to be at POT in London. 

Lesley Logan 15:05  

And by now it has announced. 

Brad Crowell 15:07  

Yeah, it's announced. Tickets are available. So come join us. Come hang out. It's gonna be super fun. Go to xxll.co/pot. And then finally, this is new for those of you who listen every week, thank you for that. May. We are going to be doing spring training again, and this time, we have a really cool topic. We're going to be doing How to Get Overhead.

Lesley Logan 15:25  

Yeah, we're getting your butts upside down. 

Brad Crowell 15:27  

Get your buns in the air. 

Lesley Logan 15:28  

So if you struggle with overhead exercises, or you feel like it's not in your practice, or you want to be doing them, we're talking like back knives, headstands, control balance, all the ones upside down. 

Brad Crowell 15:39  

Any of those. 

Lesley Logan 15:40  

And you don't have to have to have equipment. We'll have mat classes, we'll have Reformer, we'll have everything. We'll have something for everybody. And if you're on the early bird wait list, for sure, you get a better access options all that good stuff. 

Brad Crowell 15:49  

So go to opc.me/events that's opc.me/events plural, and sign up for the events waitlist. And you know, we'll let you know about the things that happen throughout the year, and then, yeah, so that's what's happening through May. And then this week, we actually had a question from one of our eLevate grads. Her name is Shannon Billings, and she pinged us on IG and she said, hey, I saw those, those posters that you guys made of all the exercises in a grid, and I want to hang them on my wall. 

Lesley Logan 16:20  

Yeah, they're pretty. 

Brad Crowell 16:21  

But I cannot find them. I don't know where I'm supposed to be looking. Where should I where can I find those posters?

Lesley Logan 16:26  

Yeah, so they're on the OPC site, and the quickest link is just opc.me/posters. And here's the coolest thing about these posters. You guys right now, we're not good at going to the post office, so these are print on demand posters. They're beautiful, so don't let that change. They don't. Doesn't change the quality. Quality is freaking awesome. Yeah, they're great. What it means is, when you, wherever you live in the world, they'll probably print it somewhere near you. So that means shipping to you is actually not astronomical.

Brad Crowell 16:50  

Yeah, it's pretty reasonable. We've had people order them in Europe or in Australia, and it's, it's not crazy, it's not an arm I'm gonna like to ship. So, yeah, go check that out opc.me/posters, and if you have any questions, just text us at 310-905-5534,

Brad Crowell 17:03  

Or beitpod.com/questions 

Brad Crowell 17:04  

beitpod.com/questions where you can also leave a win. 

Lesley Logan 17:10  

I just want to add to that, some people are putting two posters per poster frame. So like on one side, it's the mat, and the other side is the reformer or tower. And so if you have not a lot of space, but you want all the posters, order all of them, because you can get frames that have clear stuff on both sides, and you can just like, flip it. 

Brad Crowell 17:30  

Flip it. Yeah. That's clever. 

Lesley Logan 17:31  

I saw a girl who she has my posters, and then she has a different set of posters that are black and white. And so sometimes she wants color, sometimes she wants it to be not. So you can do that. 

Brad Crowell 17:41  

Love that. 

Lesley Logan 17:42  

I know people are so creative, you got to share that stuff.

Brad Crowell 17:46  

Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna talk about Pav Lertjitbanjong. 

Brad Crowell 17:53  

All right, welcome back. Let's talk about your conversation with Pav. Pav Lertjitbanjong is the creator of Layoff Ready, the financial resilience program that she built before her work evolved into Pavness Leadership Lab. 

Lesley Logan 18:08  

I love it. So cute. 

Brad Crowell 18:09  

The Pavness Leadership Lab, I love it. She after a divorce that left her financially and emotionally depleted. She spent months avoiding the reality of her situation before finally facing her budget a single day of focus work that revealed nearly a half a million dollars in a forgotten 401(k), pretty crazy. From there, she paid off six figures in debt, rebuilt her stability and retired from corporate life at the age of 43. Today, through the pavness leadership lab, Pav studies how people build courage and make clear decisions under pressure, continuing her mission to empower others, to create long-lasting stability, confidence and options in your lives. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 18:47  

Yeah. I really enjoyed this conversation, because I think we talk a lot about strengths and knowing what your strengths are. And, you know, we even have a conversation about retirement coming up and things like that. But, like, I think people live in fear of different change, what if I lose my job, what if I lose this. But she's like, okay, so what if we've talked about career resilience and having a career resilience and so allowing yourself to really understand it's better, that it's more than just like, okay, I'm financially ready if I get laid off. It's like, no, like, how can you really understand who you are and what you do, what makes you amazing? So which I really love that she brought up, like, job security is an illusion. It fucking is. And it pisses me off that banks value a W2 when some of us are over here betting on ourselves and every year kicking ass. I'm just saying from personal experience, it's just me. But what don't you think? 

Brad Crowell 19:32  

You're not wrong. It's really annoying. I mean, I don't know how else they would should do it, but like, just historically.

Lesley Logan 19:39  

Just look at my history. Just look at my taxes last look at what I'm doing. 

Brad Crowell 19:43  

Yeah, there's that.

Lesley Logan 19:46  

But I but I appreciate that she brought that up. I think we I think people do need to know that their job security is an illusion, so that they can not only have career resilience, but also just be really aware of that they have a lot more power than they think. And I think sometimes people go, oh, my ability to stay in this job is their decision when it's actually your decision. You know, just like an interview, if you want a job, it's your decision, all that stuff. And she also brought up, and I thought this is really cool, the emotional clarity that gives you peace of mind. When you have career resilience, it gives you a lot more clarity. So I think it means, like, less anxiety about, I'm going to lose my job. What am I going to do? Like you just feel a lot better about it, you know? And it's critical, because we are going into a weird world of AI, and I don't even know what that means for a lot of people's jobs, because I teach Pilates, and luckily, right now, AI kind of sucks at doing that.

Brad Crowell 20:35  

Yeah. I mean, so the conversation that y'all had was more focused on not necessarily walking away from a job that you might currently have, but what if, right, being prepared for worst case scenario? Because who knows, you know, who knows? Like nothing is especially now, things feel very unstable, economically, I think it's more of a feeling than it is a numbers thing. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a feeling still, and people are feeling weird about it.

Lesley Logan 21:04  

Yeah, and weird feelings have changed economies many times in history. And so, yeah, I also think I just want to bring up.

Brad Crowell 21:12  

But the point the point is, then that, you know, not necessarily wanting to leave a job, but how do you be prepared for it? And this is the kind of thing that she digs into. Like, she, she talked about layoff being layoff proof.

Lesley Logan 21:25  

She even has a checklist for you guys, and I think that that is, if that's something you are, like, I want to be layoff proof. Like, I might as well start now. You know, you don't want to start it after. So it's layoff ready.com/emergencykit.

Brad Crowell 21:39  

Yeah, look, and here's the thing, for those of you who are entrepreneurs like us, you're clearly not laying yourself off. The best thing, the biggest thing you could possibly be doing is conveying to your clients how you are adding value into their life, and not necessarily you are, although inadvertently you are. Pilates is how is your teaching? How? What is it that is benefiting them? How is their life changing? And I'm working on a series right now with our Agency members, where I'm helping walk them through not only how to identify the benefits the changes that they're seeing, but also how to communicate those to their clients without feeling weird about it and not being overly like salesy, because if you can continue to reinforce the why that they initially told you that they were coming and then reminding them about the changes that you're seeing as a teacher in their world, right, it's going to change the way that they value their practice with you. So especially for y'all you know, entrepreneurs out there who laying layoff proof, like, what am I supposed to do for that? I'm not, I'm not firing myself. So how do we make sure that we are maintaining our income? We really have to continue to build relationships with our clients. You have to continue to do that.

Lesley Logan 22:59  

Yeah, I think that's and we actually have a relationship, like authentic relationship episode coming out soon, like, and they'll be in April. 

Brad Crowell 23:07  

Amazing. I love that. Yeah. Well, one of the things I really dug that she mentioned was she said, how can you really design a life that you wanted to live? It could give you the freedom to walk away, whether that means leaving the job or retiring early. And she said, if you are waiting for security, if you're waiting to feel security, you should be building it, not waiting for it. So whether that is maybe you're learning how to do another skill, or maybe you're learning how to manage money, you know, we've had a bunch of people over the years in the pod about this, like Tess Waresmith is one that comes back to me here and talking about financial stability and literacy, financial literacy. So these are things that you could be learning how to just think through. 

Lesley Logan 23:51  

We have Tess Waresmith coming back. 

Brad Crowell 23:53  

Oh, that's even better. 

Lesley Logan 23:53  

I just oh, it's a great interview, guys. It's gonna be so good. I was just like, girl, I need you to tell me how I'm supposed to do when it's like this, and it's crazy like now, when it feels crazy. I also just want to highlight the don't wait for security created. This is everything this is, this is be it till you see it right here, because I was listening to a phone call conversation in a book club I'm in, and some people were complaining that the situation they're in, they can't create a culture. They have all these other outside things. It's affecting the culture they're creating, and I'm listening to them and like, I get that right? And I was like, I waited a second. I was just like, well, I am in a different studio all the time. Like, I'm in a I don't have a studio, right? And so what do I do? And I'm like, oh, in every space that I go, I own the space that I am, and I create the intention that I want. I create the culture I want them to experience, and I set the stage and I shared that with them. I said, instead of waiting until you can, like, move studios or move this, what if you just acted the culture you want to create in the space right now? Because then, if you do get to change a situation, you'll already have practiced it. It'll be really easy for you to do, or you might not even have to leave. Maybe the culture just changes around you. And so it goes back to like, don't wait to feel secure. Create security. What is the be it till you see it? What does security for you in your job or something else look like? And how can you create it in the space that you're in and wait, instead of waiting for someone to wait for someone to come, put a fence up, you know, you know what I mean, like, you're gonna wait for someone to, like, hand you a lottery tickets you have extra money. Like, what are you gonna do? I think that I like the action step that she's providing here.

Brad Crowell 25:29  

Yeah, one thing that she was talking about, which might sound a little scary, she actively leveraged debt to to consolidate and then pay off her debt, right? I mean, I've done that too, where I took out a credit card with a balance. I transferred one or two or three credit cards to that one, right? It had something like, if you transfer it in, you get 12 months of, no, you know, no fees, yeah. And so, you know, took those 12 months to pay it down, yeah? So, you know, it just something that seems straightforward, but also might feel you might feel hesitant to get started on that, but you know that stuff's worth, worth thinking through. I think so.

Lesley Logan 26:12  

I think it's worth talking to people who who understand it too, like a wealth manager or things like that. But like to be honest, that is how the rich get richer, right? Like credit score is, if you're in the States, your credit score is pretty much just like, how do you manage debt? So if you're debt free, and you've always been debt free, and you don't get any cards, you actually don't have a perfect credit score, because you don't have credit for them to like, see how you do. So it is all about strategically leveraging debt to, like, increase that score. You can strategically leverage it to allow you to have the security you need for in case something negative happens in your career or in the journey that you're on.

Brad Crowell 26:47  

Yeah, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna cover those Be It Action Items that you had with Pav. 

Brad Crowell 26:53  

Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Pav Lertjitbanjong.

Lesley Logan 27:07  

Pav let us know if, after the four attempts, any of us got close on that.

Brad Crowell 27:11  

She said, Know your numbers, which is so funny, because this is like, I never stopped saying this to our coaching clients. It's so easy to know your numbers, but it seems so hard, right? It seems like this scary black hole of like, oh my God, I don't even know what I need to know. So it just seems like this amorphous, like blob of unknown. And when we dig into the things that most people need to really know is, what are your expenses and what are your income? Those are the things. That's where you want to start, right? What are your expenses and what are your income? Yeah, so she said, for her, it's, she said there's three numbers that truly matter. One is your net worth, right? So she's, she said, assets minus liability. What does that mean? An asset would be, maybe you have a house, right? Liability would be, I have a credit card debt and it has, you know, $10,000 on it. Okay, great. So you have a house that has, you know, or actually, you could say the house is worth $250,000 I still have a loan of $150,000 against the house. So I have equity of $100,000 right? So that's net that's your net worth, right? So that's an easier way to think about that. She also said the second number is something she calls an FU fund, what she describes as that six month cushion that lets you walk away from anything you have to, you know. And today we were talking about it. Maybe it's a little more than six, maybe it's six to nine months, or something like that, where you know, okay, because you know your expenses, and let's just hypothetically say your expenses are 10,000 a month, you know, how do we what's the quickest way that we can get to setting aside $60,000 that's a scary number to be honest. That's a lot, you know, but we got to get started. You have to start sometime, right? And that that kind of buffer will certainly protect you were something bad to happen at an employment situation, and then you feel like, stuck, and you're like, Oh my God, but at least you have a buffer, right? So that's what that that's for. And then finally, she said, your firing number, your fire number, how much money would you need to invest in the market so you can make smaller amount each year on 4% and still have money left to reinvest, right? So what does that mean? That's your like retirement number, right? So for anyone who's who's like financial planner, they'll ask you the question of, all right, how much money do you want to live on a month? Again, let's just say $10,000 and then they'll, what they'll do is they'll work backwards based on your your retirement portfolio, and they're going to assume that you'll be able to live if $10,000 a month is the 4% number, then they'll be able to reverse engineer the number and be like, great. You need to have $2 million or, I think it's more than that, but you'll need to, need to have X amount of dollars in your portfolio so that you can live comfortably on $10,000 a month and never have to worry about it again, because it's in the market, right? So, and the reason that she said 4% is because the average market return is eight, like seven to 8% or maybe even it's eight to nine, I don't remember, but if you can live on half of that, that gives you the other half of what you hypothetically are earning to reinvest back into the market again, right? So that's, that's where the numbers, that's how that kind of breaks down. It's a bit in the weeds. So thanks for following me there.

Lesley Logan 30:25  

I love that she has those and that you did those ones, because the other one is pretty amazing. And this is simple, but true. Bold doesn't have to be loud, but it has to be true. And so you don't have to have this, like, law, the way I interpret this, like you don't have to make this bold move where you're like, what was that Tom Cruise movie, where he just, like, was like, goodbye, fuck you. I'm out of here. Like, who's coming with me? And like, Renee's. What was that movie? It's the one that everyone quotes, and it's the worst one. Jerry Maguire.

Brad Crowell 30:55  

Jerry Maguire. 

Lesley Logan 30:55  

Jerry Maguire. 

Brad Crowell 30:56  

Show me the money. 

Lesley Logan 30:57  

Show me the money. And like, but it doesn't have to be like that, but it but, but whatever you do needs to be true to you. And I think that's where a lot of people don't take time, is to, like, really understand, like, what do you want? What do you need, you know, and, and that's scary, because maybe what you want and need is different than what you've been doing, you know, or maybe you've been letting yourself realize, like, how strong you are. And we have a couple great episodes coming up about, like, getting to know yourself and like, also being kind yourself if you haven't lived in that way. But truly, I think that's one of the best be it action items, if you if you can do that, if you could live authentically to you, and you can know your numbers, you are resilient, and you could probably kick some ass. 

Brad Crowell 31:39  

Kicks some ass.

Lesley Logan 31:40  

Yeah, yeah. So the other thing is, is that Pav has actually been, recently, been doing more coaching in a focused position on the science of making courageous decisions under pressure. And so if you are needing more help with like, making great decisions under pressure, things like that, you can also coach with her. And I think that'll be really if you liked how she sounds and how she coaches and her insight on things. I think that's a really great thing that she's doing. You know, because making courageous decisions are really hard, and also, like, she understands how to, like, take imperfect action, even your nervous system resists. And a lot of people, you know, when you have to make big decisions, sometimes your nervous system does have anxiety. And so of course, it does. Why wouldn't it? It it would be so against what our brain does to go into the fear. So I highly recommend reaching out to her. 

Brad Crowell 32:25  

Awesome. Yeah, that's great. 

Lesley Logan 32:27  

Well, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 32:28  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 32:29  

Thanks so much for being here, and thanks for listening to our rants. I do happen to know that people like them and someone reach out after our Transgender Day, and they were so glad that they found us. They found our Pilates stuff, and they like our little rants there. So thank you for that. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, especially one who needs some career resilience or some support, support under making decisions under pressure and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 32:53  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 32:54  

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After rebuilding her life from divorce and financial uncertainty, Pav Lertjitbanjong shares why job security is often an illusion—and what actually creates peace of mind. In this conversation, Pav explains how becoming layoff ready is about strategically creating options for yourself before you’re forced to make a change. She breaks down the three numbers that bring clarity to financial decisions and why waiting for security keeps people stuck. This episode is a grounded look at what it really means to layoff-proof your life.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Pav found clarity after emotional overwhelm.
• Pav’s own strategic approach to paying off her debt.
• What layoff proofing your life truly means for your future.
• Why job security is an illusion but career resilience is not.
• Three numbers everyone needs to feel financially prepared.

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• Pav Lertjitbanjong's Website - https://www.pavness.com
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• Pavness YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@PavnessLab
• Pav Lertjitbanjong's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pavnesslab

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Pav Lertjitbanjong is a marketing and brand strategist with more than two decades of experience leading strategy for global, billion-dollar brands. She is the creator of PAVNESS, a framework designed to help high-achieving individuals navigate major life transitions with clarity, courage, and intention. Known for turning complex strategy into clear, human-centered stories, Pav’s work lives at the intersection of brand positioning, personal reinvention, and meaningful messaging. Her approach is shaped not just by her professional background, but by her own experience rebuilding her life through uncertainty and change. Pav believes true success is not defined by titles, revenue, or external validation, but by alignment and the confidence to be fully seen. Today, she helps leaders and creators reconnect with who they are becoming—both in business and in life. Her story is a reminder that clarity comes from honesty, and bold moves often begin quietly.

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Episode Transcript:

Pav Lertjitbanjong 0:00  

I rebuilt my life after divorce and basically left me completely shattered financially and emotionally, but I learned how to layoff-proof my life, and now I'm quitting my job and retiring from corporate at 43 years old. So now I teach people how to take control of their money and rebound from any situation without overwhelm.

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:05  

All right, Be It babe, this is a interesting conversation you're about to hear, because I really was super intrigued by our guests today. I got to meet them several months ago, talk about what they're excited to do. They have actually been a listener of the Be It Pod for a really long time. They've been being it till they see it. And that's literally why they are sharing what they're doing right now. And so I'm super excited for you to hear about Pav and being layoff, layoff ready, right? And I think that's you might be thinking, wow, aren't talking about laying on, getting laid off? You guys, we have to. We have to. Some of you in your be it till you see it might have to be laid off, or might get laid off, or might want to be laid off. So, so I think this is a really cool conversation of like preparedness and also, like honesty about what is life? What is the life we want? Like, have we been honest with ourselves? And when I got off the comic path, we talked about confidence a little bit, and so it wasn't recorded. So I kind of want to just like, bring this in and then I want to you to hear this amazing episode from Pav and hear her journey, and hear what she's doing here, so she's helping people, because I think a lot of people are going to need, like, layoff proof their life. So, confidence, you guys, confidence, isn't something you are deemed with. No one gives it to you. It's also not something you go and get. Confidence comes from doing the thing you said you do. So every time you tell yourself you're gonna go for a walk around the block, and then you postpone it to like answer an email, you are actually etching away at your confidence. But if you go and do the walk, then you are increasing your confidence strength. A lot of people think, oh, once I'm more confident, then I will do X. No, do X, and you will become more confident, right? So with that said, thank you, Pav, for that wonderful question. I'm so sorry you guys, wasn't recorded. I hope that little tidbit gets you there, and here's Pav and Layoff Ready. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

All right, Be It babe, I'm excited, today's topic, I think maybe we've touched on it a little bit in people's stories, but never had like, someone who's expert at it, someone who's, like, truly been through the trenches and come on the other side, and like, has expertise to share with you, and like skill sets and all those things also probably one of the coolest Be It actions I've ever seen someone do. I hope we get into it as well. Pav, you're our guest today, can you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at? 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 3:29  

Yes. Hi Lesley, thank you so much for having me. It's been an honor to be here. So I am Pav Lertjitbanjong. I'm the founder of Layoff Ready and a financial resilience mentor. So basically, what I do is I help professionals to help build income security and freedom. And, you know, before that, I was working in corporate, just like most people, and realized that, you know, finally it's the matrix that we kind of, like, you know, onto, like, this hamster wheel, and had this moment and eventually got out of it. So yeah, and I rebuilt my life after divorce, and basically, kind of left me completely shattered financially and emotionally, but I learned how to layoff proof my life, and now I'm, you know, quitting my job and retiring from corporate at 43 years old. So now I teach people how to take control of their money and and, you know, rebound from any situation without overwhelm and fluff.

Lesley Logan 4:27  

Oh, I love this. First of all, 43 and you're, like, retired. I think you had all of us. I mean, clearly you're working, you create your own thing, but like, you're retired from corporate life. Like, I think a lot of ears perked up, because that's not the option for a lot of people. I do want to take a step back, because I do love that you shared that like you have gone through divorce, you have had to pick up yourself and put all the pieces back together and start over, like a lot of people listening to the show, you know? I mean, I hope we have some Gen Z, but most likely, most of them are a little they're over 40, and we have been. And through things in life, and sometimes we can take it really personally and think there's something wrong with us. How can we go back in time a little bit like, how did you pick the pieces up after divorce? Like, what? What did you do to even get yourself to a place? Because I can't, unless your divorce was 20 years ago, it feels like this all happened very quickly, that you went from divorced and broke to, like, retiring from corporate. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 5:22  

Yeah and Lesley, thank you so much for asking me this question, and it's the one that I've kind of like pondered for so long, because, you know, like, when we've been through like, such dramatic situation like this, right? Like we don't usually reflect on the lessons that we typically learn from so I thought about that. So basically, okay, let me just maybe backward on, like, okay, my divorce situation. So I've been married for about seven years, and then, you know, things didn't work out. I think part of this now that I have, like, my renewed faith in in God and, you know, the universe, I believe that if you are onto the path that God is not blessing you, that is not your true calling, he will destroy that path. And that resulted into my divorce. And so the moment that I gathered courage to okay, say to myself that okay, I cannot be in this situation anymore. I need to really do something, or I'm gonna spend the rest of my life, you know, crying about it for the life that I have not lived. And just like what you always say, you know, we do it messy, and we, right? 

Lesley Logan 6:36  

Yeah. Life is messy. It's, you can't like it can't not be, you know, like, one of my dear, my first assistants was a doula. She's like, birth is really messy. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 6:48  

Yeah. But, you know, I think, like, once you focus on something, and then you surrender to God, he will lead the way. That's what I've that I've believed in. So, you know, with my with my divorce, in order for me to get them to get a divorce, the first step, my lawyer said, Okay, you need to get your baseline ready. You need to do budgeting. And I'm like, okay, with an MBA in finance, I didn't know how to do budgeting, which was like, so crazy. And I'll tell you this, like with Layoff Ready, I have worked with some of the clients that are, like, higher up in corporate, and they are the same, I think, like, the higher up you are, you rely so much on like, so called experts to help with your personal life, life, right? Like, because you are so good at what you do, so you don't really, yeah, you you neglect what you need to do for yourself, because you just totally trust experts. And that's kind of how I've always been. So I had to start from the ground up in terms of, okay, like, what exactly is my net worth without my husband or ex husband now? And it took me six months Lesley, not because it was hard in the sense that, like, oh, all the calculation, because I'm like, a number person anyway, but the six months to actually feel the feelings, right? Like, really, gather all the documents and really, okay, this is it. You know, once I submit that paperwork, once I file this, then that's the beginning of the new life unknown.

Lesley Logan 8:20  

Thank you for sharing that. I think a lot of people don't do things because it really does mean by finishing it, it marks the end, like, that's the end of that, you know, like, whether it's a person who's passed away or a pet that's passed away, like, dealing with the their toys and the dog beds, whatever it is, like, once it's gone, it's like, well, they're really gone. Like, there's not even a sign of them around here. So like going through and figuring it out, like I can see why you would want to take six months, not because the numbers are hard, but because it's hard. It's just hard. Yeah.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 8:49  

Exactly, Lesley. And I mean, when you talk about pets, you know, I've been through that same situation too, and I am a procrastinator, and that's my new year resolution, which I'm kind of, like slowly getting there. Same thing, like, when, when my two, my two rabbits died from that marriage, you know, they came with me. It also took me six months to, like, clean up everything.

Lesley Logan 9:12  

Yeah, because it was, like, the last, you know, like the last thing of that, yeah. Well, so, okay, so during the six months, did you do anything to kind of help yourself out? Did you go did you stay home and, like, wallow? Did you go out? Like, how did you, like, take care of yourself and get to know yourself? Was there anything, any Be It Action Items that you did in there? 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 9:32  

Oh my gosh, okay. Like, shamelessly saying, I did absolutely nothing, just like, wallowing, you know, being in, like, my shoe box apartment in New York City, because at the time, I already moved out of my my house, and I didn't really have much in savings at the time, because basically, when you're married, then, you know, things are kind of commingled in a way. So not so much. You know, that was probably one of the darkest time of my life. And you know, back to like what I did, and what did I learn from that, from from like, the whole process was that the power of budgeting that's so important. And let me just tell you this, Lesley, so after that six months, I decided, okay, like, I need to do something. I I'm gonna file that paper and get that budgeting done. Took me one day. 

Lesley Logan 10:20  

Right. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 10:21  

One day. 

Lesley Logan 10:22  

Right, I know it's really funny, isn't it so funny? Like, I think we can all, like, see ourselves in this I'm like, oh my god, I gotta write that email, or I gotta go to that thing. I gotta go, and then you go it was like, 17 minutes at the DMV that wasn't even that part. Like, it just feels so heavy. Yes, I understand. I understand. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 10:38  

Yeah. So it took me one day of focus work to get that going and everything. And to my surprise, when, like, back to when we're talking about, like, you know, when we surrender to God, God actually, like, help pave the way for you and I found almost half a million dollars in a hidden 401k account. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

That's half a million dollars? 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 11:01  

Almost, close to, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 11:02  

Oh my god. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 11:04  

So when you talk about save it and you forget it, I literally forgotten that. And no joke, like, serious, and.

Lesley Logan 11:13  

That's, Pav, that's insane. So, like, here you were, like, broke as a joke on a tiny apartment. Procrastinate. I just want to, like, reiterate this so that people, like, stop procrastinating, procrastinating and wallowing all these things. Then you do the paperwork and you have a half a million dollars.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 11:30  

Yes, close enough. So, so yeah, like, my life literally just kind of changed overnight, you know, with that one power of budgeting. 

Lesley Logan 11:39  

And by then you'd learn how to budget. So that's great. So probably best, probably best. You had to learn how to budget first.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 11:46  

Exactly, exactly. Yeah. So that was basically like my moment that, you know, my whole life, Lesley, like okay as a woman, and actually not all women, but maybe like the way that I was raised, I always thought that, okay, the only way for me to become a millionaire, to become financially free, I need security of a man to help me.

Lesley Logan 12:10  

Oh, you're, I mean, I think, first of all, so in the States, women couldn't get their own credit card until, like, their 80s, 1980s right? So, like, like, in my lifetime, right? And I think I can't remember when women were allowed to buy their own homes, but at any the reason why, like, people are always like, oh, there's so much divorce now there's, no, women couldn't leave shitty shit because they couldn't own a home, they couldn't often find work, and they certainly couldn't have a credit card. So like, yeah, Pav, like, we're of the age where, like my mom, like her mom, couldn't, didn't have a credit card when she was of her own right. So my mom is the first person in my family that could have her own money. So I think a lot of us have that, that we're not raised with that. And so what you see around you, because that first generation above you, they all had to go through that. That's how they were raised. So it's completely normal to think that. And I think what's really cool is we've now had 40 something years of it. So it can change where we we all can be billionaires, and then we can marry someone, whether it's a man or woman who also is a millionaire, and then we can have more money that we can do good things with.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 13:13  

Yes, the more the merrier, Lesley, yeah, and I think, like to your point, basically, I think what went through with my life, even though I suffer for a long period of time, I felt that it actually was proud of myself that I was able to help, like, break the generational curse, you know, because that were, like, what you talked about, you know, like there were women that didn't really have those opportunities.

Lesley Logan 13:40  

No, and they weren't loved either, like, not for who they were, yeah, my gosh, Pav. So you get to this place where, like, oh my gosh. Now you're not devastated. I mean, you're devastated from the divorce emotionally, but you're not devastated financially. You have, you have a jumping off point. So can we, can we jump ahead to like, how do you go from like, okay, I am now I'm gonna go now I have a half million dollars. It's not enough to like, retire off of today. But how do you go from that to like, I'm gonna help people be layoff ready? Because one of the things that, like, I feel is so topical. We talked about this before I hit record, it's like, there's a lot of people being laid off right now, and with AI, which has its own devastating effects and also great things. We use AI all the time, like, there's going to be more. And so I think, like, you know, in case, in case, someone can't just randomly find an old 401K they forgot about, how do we prepare them?

Pav Lertjitbanjong 14:33  

Yeah, okay, so you have asked so many amazing questions. So like, let me break it down. So like, number one you were asking about, like, okay, how did they kind of jump start from like, okay, that's aha, moment that okay, finally, it can be my own rich man, or at least the starting point until, like, okay, helping people, right? So I think, like, ever since then, I realized that okay, now I can be my own rich man, that I cannot rely on the security of a man to. 

Lesley Logan 15:00  

No, you don't have to. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 15:00  

For anything, right? Even though, like, okay, great, we, we would love to find my soulmate. I mean, our soulmate, and I'd love to have a rich husband again, but you're not better version. But, yeah. But I think ever since then, I realized the power of financial literacy and, you know, really becoming my own person, because I always had low self-esteem, Lesley, you know, I think it's just kind of like what we talk about, the general generational curse. So anyway, since then, I started, like, okay, studying investing, personal finance, you know, make sure that okay. Like, by the way, I don't think that I dropped that bomb on you yet. But I also, like, with that marriage, I had about $100,000 debt. So with the money that I found, even though I had the 401K, you cannot liquidate the whole thing, right? Because you pay so much taxes. 

Lesley Logan 15:52  

There's rules. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 15:53  

Yeah, exactly. Like, like, it's your money, but it's not your money. 

Lesley Logan 15:58  

Right, right, right, right. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 15:59  

Yeah. So okay, so I had to find a way to, like, supplement that. How can I make more money? So, like, one is okay, I already have a corporate job. It's good paying, but obviously it didn't really help fund my entire lifestyle because, like, I used to live large, but now on my own, I need to, like, okay, number one, downsize my life a little bit more. You know, like, I can't really go to, like, three Michelin star on a Friday, you know, if I want to, these days, you know, something that you have to, like, really plan on. And then, let me forewarn you, it doesn't apply to everyone, but for me, I actually strategically leverage debt to help me pay debt.

Lesley Logan 16:38  

Yeah, heck yeah, girl, are you, I haven't had one come in the mail, but I definitely when I was like, getting out of homelessness and getting back on my feet, I was like, oh, this card will let me be interest-free for 18 months. Heck yeah. We're taking this card move all this debt over, so now I'm actually paying it off, and now I have 18 months to pay this off. Yes, yes, I hear you. I, there's, but there, because there is better, there is better debt out there. Yes, for sure.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 17:06  

Exactly, yeah. So free money. So one thing led to another, I was and then Covid happened. You know when people talk about and okay, like, let me just be clear, Covid totally suck. Like, that should not happen, but for me, I was lucky, in a sense that okay, during Covid, you know, I got to work from home. You know, as a tech worker, you get to work from home, and I had a little bit time, you know, like during, like, early hour, because I work West Coast hour before to really do a little bit of day trading, you know, like, maybe the first two, three hours after the market stopped before I actually work my real job, and I got lucky, I was able to buy at the lowest, probably, and it kind of bounced from there.

Lesley Logan 17:52  

Yeah, that's what you're I mean, like, when everything was going crazy recently and going low, like our neighbors like this, I'm like, I'm not even looking. I'm literally giving them more money. I'm gonna give my people more money to go play in the other places that it's gonna be good. Like, obviously, to avoid these but, like, we'd be smart about it. But like, this is how people got rich in the Depression. You gotta buy when it's low and during those Covid times, good for you. You know what I'm hearing from you Pav is, like, you're not afraid to do something that is a little scary, and you're not waiting for someone to tell you it's okay. Like, that's pretty badass.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 18:27  

I've not always been that way, Lesley, but thank you. It's an honor hearing that from you. 

Lesley Logan 18:33  

Well, I mean, clearly the, maybe it's the divorce that, like, made made you that way. You know what I mean? Because I think sometimes we go through hard things, we're like, whoa. Like you develop a skill set because you need to, you know, so, like, I think that's really cool. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 18:45  

Thank you. Yeah, and I think, like, the most important things, actually two things that I was able to gain from the divorce, not just, like, the money part, which that is great, right? Like, with investing, one thing led to another. I was able to, like, you know, make a lot more money from there. And by the way, I got a promotion after, you know, when I decided, okay, like, I need to make more. You know, the Power Focus is when you focusing on something like it actually happened, because God was just like, make sure that he orchestrate everything for you.

Lesley Logan 19:17  

Well, also you're putting yourself out there, and you and you said the right words, focus. I think a lot of people go, I don't have this, as opposed to, where can I get this? You know, like, you're like, I need to make more money. What's in front of me? And so I think that that's a really important distinction, because a lot of people like, I have no money, and they sit around going wallowing, I don't have any money, I'm having and they're like, look, there are days for crying, like you are going through a divorce, there's a few. You should have a few fuck, fucking crying days on the floor. But then you have to, like, get up and go, okay, what do I want? What can I do with what I have? And so I love the like, I'm gonna put in for a promotion. Like you don't get a promotion if you're not ready for it. Like no one's doing in corporate., as a woman, no, you had to earn that so, like, I mean, like, I'm sure there's not all corporations do that, but like, let's be real. Like, a lot of them, you have to prove that you are more than qualified for that job. So way to go.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 20:12  

Yeah, thank you. And by the way, to add on top of that, like, when you were talking about, if you don't ask, you don't receive. Like, that's so true, because, like, I had a co worker I came to and I asked her, like, hey, I want to put you on a promotion list, you know, as an endorser for this quarter. And she's like, oh, thank you. I really appreciate that. But, you know, I am like, I think I thought it was due to for promotion, like, last year. I'm like, well, have you ever asked for it? No. Like, if you never ask, you never get it. You don't get it.

Lesley Logan 20:43  

Oh that is, you know, it's unfortunate, but like, it's true, like, a lot of people get places because they just asked, you know, like, there's even just some opportunities that I have had because I just asked, not because I was qualified, you know, I mean, I had to be qualified enough. But, you know, like, sometimes it's just like, who, you know, so, or what, who, whom you ask. So, I love that. So, okay, so you got a promotion, you play the stock market, and then were you like, were you always thinking about, okay, I can't wait. Like, I want to retire from corporate early. Was that like the plan? How did, how did you go from like, getting promotion, working corporate and day trading, to going, okay, I'm gonna help people prepare their lives for a big change, like a change outside their control, because that's what Layoff Ready is. It's like you're ready if a change outside of your control happens.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 21:32  

Right. Yeah, Lesley, and that's such a great question, and to be honest with you, like I've always had in my mind that I want to retire early, because ever since I was young, I always knew that, like, this is not it, like my life should not be in PowerPoint and, you know, be a corporate robot. And even though, like, let me just tell you, I know, like some people talk about, like, burnout, or, you know, like, how they've been treated badly by their companies, I feel very fortunate, like my career so far in general, that I have been treated very well for the most part, and I'm really, really, really grateful for that. But I think I've always, like, had that goal that I wanted to be able to retire, like, before 45 or like 50, you know, and really do my own thing and live my life. But let me just tell you I never had that courage, too. So when you told me about, like, hey, Pav, you're a badass, you know, thank you. I can confidently say that yes, Lesley, today's Pav says yes, I am a badass. But like, maybe, like, two months ago Pav, or maybe, like, whatever, you know, 40 years old Pav will not be that. 

Lesley Logan 22:38  

I think it takes time to realize, like somebody in one of our communities, just like, mentioned, like, something happened that four years ago, right? And I was like, and it's so easy to go, oh my god, it's been four years, like, as a long time, and then it's like, it's only been four years, like, I can't believe how, like, what you've done in like, such a short time. So, like, it's, of course, like you recognizing your boldness and your badassery, like, in the last couple of months versus three years, like, there's, I don't think that's even you don't have to just, you can act that's fine. That's exactly when you found it, you discovered it. And I think that's important because, like, there's going to be days we don't feel like that. But also we have to look back and go, whoa look what I did in such a short period of time, you know, like, a short period of time, like, that's kind of a lot of growth. So let's talk about Layoff Ready a little bit, because I think a lot of people think it won't happen to them. Oh, it's gonna happen to that person, but I'm really great at my job, or I'm, you know what I mean, like, I'm really excellent at this. Like, what are some things people need to be thinking about, or just, like, reviewing, you know, because it's gonna take them a couple weeks that they should be looking into to make sure that they're layoff ready. Like, what are some signs, or what are some actions? 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 23:47  

Yeah, so first, and thank you for asking Lesley. So Layoff Ready is a freedom-based financial preparation. So it's not just like, oh, you know, like, hey, this is like, your investment advisor telling you to like, okay, this is how you allocate your your investment so on, right? But this is more about like, how can you really design a life that you really want to live in, you know? So to to decide a life that give you the option for freedom if you want to, it's not about like, hey, you know, tomorrow, or everybody goes and go into the office and like, hey, I want to quit my job because I'm layoff ready? Some people, maybe you really love the job that you're doing. But you know, like, what you touch on is, with this economy, is your job really safe? Not really, with AI rising, I don't think that anybody is safe, right? Like, for God's sake, people been talking about what like by 2032 we may not even like have jobs the way that we see it.

Lesley Logan 24:47  

Oh yeah, I think, and that's 2032 that is, that is a very short time away. It is seven years like I'm an optimistic person most of the time, and when I think about what AI is going to do, I. I think about like, it's not going to be great for everybody. It's going to be great for those who can use it. It's not going to be great for everybody. So I do think that like preparing ourselves to understand, like, what, what is a life we want to live. And I love that, like going through that so that no matter if you choose it or it chooses you, you can be, you can be, you know, you'll still cry, but you can have a next step.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 25:24  

Exactly, yeah, and I think, like, you know, it's also beyond, like, the financial preparedness or the career preparedness, but like, the emotional clarity and preparedness that comes with that, right? Like, basically, it gives you an option to be able to walk away from a situation or a job or even like people, or like, in my case, like a marriage that no longer align with with you, with your goal in life. And so for me, I think layoff ready, layoff proofing your life is about like, you know, being like, strategically creating options for yourself so you never feel stuck. Like, you don't wait for security, you create it, and you build the skills and the incomes before you need them. And you also, like, you know, help you stay adaptable, knowing that job security is an illusion, but the career resilience is real, and that's what I think is so critical these days.

Lesley Logan 26:20  

So many takeaways. But like, we don't wait for security. We create security like that, that is key, Pav, that is like, I think a lot of people have a false security with their gigs, with their jobs, you know. And I think also, you know, the way the world works, it gives them that false security. Like took my husband and I over two years to prove to the powers that be that we could afford a home, because we don't work for anybody but ourselves. Never mind that ourselves have made more money year after year. You know, like every tax season, you can see that where our company is growing, they're like, oh, but you work for yourself. No, that's not trustworthy. Well, I'm not gonna fire me. So like, feels pretty secure, if you ask me. But like, I think it's like creating that security and creating the things around your life. You know, when we were talking about Covid, like, which was terrible, yes, yes, yes. But let's talk about this. The good thing is that came as a lot of people evaluated what they were doing and what they wanted and what they needed, because they were laid off, you know, they were forced to do it in a way. But like with what you're doing with people now is like actually helping them decide it ahead of times they have to leave, right? Like they're not, you're not necessarily encouraging them to leave, but you're just helping them create the ability to have a decision.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 27:40  

Exactly, yeah, and, and I also think that when you layoff-proof your life, it not like, not only it just gives you options, but it actually gives you peace of mind as well. And I think, like, in this day and age, especially at our age now, it's, it's the most important. I think, like, it's like, way more important, even beyond, like, money or success.

Lesley Logan 28:03  

Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, I agree. Like, you know, they say, like, we have six, there's six needs we all have universally. So certainty is one of them. And like, we all crave it, right? Like, craving that certainty, like, the job is going to be there, the money is going to be there. But we also crave uncertainty. We want things to change, right? But what you're talking about and what you've promoted yourself to doing you retired from corporate to do this with people is like, help them be able to make a decision for themselves and have certainty around it.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 28:40  

Right, yeah. And I think one, one important thing too, Lesley, that I feel like we have been lied to, is I don't think that we need that much in life in general, like in this capitalism society, like, do we need, like, you know, 10 handbags or.

Lesley Logan 28:57  

Well, I do, but some people don't.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 29:01  

More power to you. More power to you.

Lesley Logan 29:04  

But I, but I do agree, like, it is interesting. Like, I actually believe in a healthy capitalism, right? Like, I actually think, like, Netherlands is really great. Like, I want to live there. They have a community-based capitalism. I'm in. But I do think that you're right that, like, there's a lot of lies, that the more stuff we have, the more rich we are. When really, like, I'm looking at a very full closet and like, when was the last time we opened this closet door? Like, when do we use these things? And so I think that there is something about what you're saying is like, we can layoff-proof of our life by just evaluating, like, are we living a life that we actually want or are we living one that we we're lied to about. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 29:44  

Right. Exactly. I think, like my point on.

Lesley Logan 29:47  

I'm sorry, I cut you off because I, because people know I have a lot of handbags.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 29:51  

Trust me, me too, like I used to work so close to Fifth Avenue, so totally understand, and that's why I never had savings when I was younger. Anyway, but, yeah, like, basically, you don't need millions to retire early if you want to. There are different types of retirement, or, like, we call it like a FIRE, right? The FIRE movement, Financial Independence Retire Early movement. So there are different types of FIRE that allows you to retire early. Like some people, for example, can, you know, retire with, like, a super tight budget. Some people retire with big budget, with what? So what that means they need to make more money, and they need to invest more and they need longer time to invest, right? Or some people, they call it like a barista FIRE. So for barista FIRE is more on you you basically you retire, but if you still, like, keep a part time job that gives you benefits, and, you know, like, still earn.

Lesley Logan 30:45  

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like, my dad, because he can't sit still. Can't do it.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 30:51  

I mean, whatever works for, you know, for for him, or, like, for each person is totally different. But yeah, like, I before I retire, and I would say, like, now I'm more, like, you know, kind of in a way, like a same might retired, because obviously, like, I don't think that we can actually, like, sit still and just, okay, like, today I'm just gonna go to the beach and do nothing, even though it's so cool, but you get bored, right? But, but, yeah, like, you can live with so much less, and you don't need millions of dollars to retire. I think that's what I I've learned from that, and how I came to that realization, though, Lesley is because of the numbers. So, you know, like, when you were talking about, like, how can people prepare to, like, layoff-proof their lives? How can people prepare to like, you know, if they want option to retire early? Like, what's the first step to get there? I would say, know your numbers. So there are only three numbers that you need to know that is so important, like, one is your net worth, assets, minus liability. The second one, I call it FU funds. People have different definition of that, but my FU fund is more like an emergency fund. You know, when you talk to experts, because sometimes people say, okay, like three to six months. I don't think it's enough these days with inflation, right? You need, like, Yeah, six, twelve months. So, basically, exactly. So that's the money that you can kind of walk out if from any situation, if you want to, it's kind of like, okay, if you I go by kind of situation. And then the last one is the one we discussed, like, on the fire, like, how much money you need to invest in in the market in order for you to, like, take a smaller amount in, on average, I think it's about 4% that you can take safely from your investment, so that you can live on and still have some money left to.

Lesley Logan 32:34  

Reinvest if that that's working for you. I that's great. I think that makes it so easy. Because I think a lot of people think like, oh, gotta think about my retirement. I gotta think about my life. Oh, I got laid off crap. And it's like, if you only have to focus on three numbers, it makes it really simple. And I love this idea of, like, barista fire. These are fun. These are really great. Pav, who are you most excited to work with? Like, who do you want to like, are you do do like, who is it that you're wanting to make sure that you help people like, Layoff Ready?

Pav Lertjitbanjong 33:08  

So I typically work with more, like a high achiever, people in corporate but I think the most I would say, like underserved market is women, right? Like, women, especially a little bit older, like, 40 plus years old that has been in corporate for a while, and are more prone to be laid off. I think these are the demographic that I'm like, so excited to work with, because essentially, that's kind of like me, in a way. You know, I think when we pursue our, like, real, true passion project, or like I call like God's given purpose, you actually are serving the people that. How do I say that? Like your younger self, in a way, basically.

Lesley Logan 33:54  

Totally, everyone who listens to this podcast is, was me. Maybe there may be there different ages of the my younger version of but yes, we are all with we're the best. We are best able to serve the people we once were. So I love this. Pav, this is so exciting. We're gonna take a brief break. Find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 34:14  

Yes, so you can find me on Tiktok at momentsofreset, M-O-M-E-N-T of reset, or layoffready.com. 

Lesley Logan 34:22  

layoffready.com Yeah, I can't believe that wasn't, good for you, that was waiting for you momentsofreset and layoffready.com. All right, Pav, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps do you have for us to take away from this episode? 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 34:36  

Okay. So bold doesn't have to be loud, but it has to be true. The life that you want is not built at once. So it's built in the micro moment of honesty to yourself, so until one day the outside world catches up, and you know, you just be it to till you see it, and people will see it too.

Lesley Logan 34:57  

Oh, that is so beautiful. That is actually so true, those micro moments of you being honest and you're that's so wise, Pav, and then the world catches up with you. I love, instead of us. I love that. I love that so much. 

Pav Lertjitbanjong 35:11  

Thank you. Thank you. 

Lesley Logan 35:15  

I, well, this is so fun, because it's not like I don't always have people who've been listening to show for a long time move and slowly being it till they see it on the show. Like it's just not something that happens very often. And so it's just so cool to hear the full circle. And for for everyone to hear the full circle of you going through the life that you went through, doing the hard thing, you know? And now you've got something that can help other people do it too. I mean, like, that's just beautiful.

Pav Lertjitbanjong 35:42  

Yeah. And thank you so much, Lesley, for I think, like, the work that you have done actually has not just only helped me, but I'm sure, like, it has helped thousands, if not millions, of people. You are doing God's work. So I think, like, I wish that that would be more of you. So thank you so much for all you have done. Thank you.

Lesley Logan 36:01  

Oh, Pav, I can't, you're the last thing in my day today, and I've never received that. I'm going to take it with me on a vacation. I'm so, so grateful. You know, if we all give ourselves the credit that we would give other people, right, we would realize that, like, we actually are doing great jobs, and it's just hard. It's just hard because you don't see all the efforting that's happening. You don't see all the people whose lives, but even you, Pav, saying thank you. And also you're going to give so many people permission on this show, you know whether or not they call you to be Layoff Ready but maybe they actually just go, oh, wait. I can actually just fill out that paper. It's gonna take one day or, oh, I actually need to sit down and think about, like, what do I want? What does wealth mean to me? Like, I think that it's just so cool, and you've just given some great things. So now you're on your way to impact more and more people in the world and it's going to be a better place because of people like you and people like me and people who are listening to this podcast. You know, people listening to this podcast, you guys are amazing people, cheerleading people all the time. And I say this to the people I coach you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. You are it. And so don't be quiet. Don't be soft. Don't hide your magic, because there's people who are literally waiting for you. You know you're the only one. So, Pav, thank you for stepping out and creating Layoff Ready. I'm super excited for what you're doing and for the people who are gonna experience it. And everyone, share this with a friend who needs to hear it, someone who needs to hear a journey that someone's been on, someone who needs to hear that there is ways to prepare themselves. So no matter what happens, they're ready for it and but they even they can be like a barista fire. That's so cool. Didn't even know that. So Pav, thank you so much. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 37:42  

Hey, be it babe. So what  I love so much about the guests that we bring on is that they continue to research what they are experts in and dive in deeper. And when they find new ways of helping people, they always reach out and let us know. And Pav has been doing a ton of research and science around. How to make decisions under pressure and what your nervous system is going through, and different things like that. So if you are working in the leadership experience or you're trying to dive more into that, or you have, you notice you're having a hard time making decisions. She's also coaching and advising people in that capacity. So if you enjoyed her energy and  her way of thinking about this topic, you're gonna love what she's doing over there.  

Lesley Logan 37:43  

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Brad Crowell 38:26  

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Lesley Logan reflects on the overlooked brilliance of Hedy Lamarr and why creating, learning, and showing up still matters even when recognition never comes. She also celebrates a powerful community win built on consistency, shares how planned boredom helped her truly rest after the tour, and offers a reminder that refilling your cup is not indulgent—it’s necessary. This episode invites you to rethink success, honor your wins, and protect the spaces that help you keep going.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Hey, Be It babe, happy January 16. Fuck yeah, Friday. Oh my god, we made it. We're here. We've got wins to share. We've got inspo to share. We've got an affirmation to mull over. We are ready to kick off your weekend. Do you remember like the TGIF? Oh my god, I lived for TGIF. I lived for the Full House. A step by step. I could still sing the songs in my head, not out loud, you know. And you're like, I know the words, but like, I can only hear them in my head, and not out loud. Gosh. Then there was Family Matters. Loved Family Matters. And then there was a fourth show. I feel like I didn't love the fourth show in those two hours, but anyways, so freaking great every Friday, and that's what this episode really is to be. It's like a TGIF. Who knows? Maybe that's what it becomes. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

Anyways, still want to celebrate your wins, because I want you to with all that ish that goes on. You are still making magic happen. Sometimes that magic feels really small, sometimes it feels really big, and we have to celebrate all of them. Okay, so this inspired me. Oh, my God, this it's from her wiki org in 1937 a 23-year-old woman fleeing her Nazi arms dealer husband, Friedrich Mandel boarded a train to London at that moment, no one could have foreseen that within just five years, she would develop war technology that would revolutionize the lives of billions of people, both living and yet to be born. That woman was Hedy Lamarr. According to the prevailing patriarchy, Hedy Lamarr wasn't supposed to be an inventor. She was the most beautiful woman in the world, a Hollywood icon. She's stunning, you guys like, gosh, her brows, her lashes, like everything. And her job was to entertain the men of her time. But behind the glamor, she was something else, a scientific genius, and she's about to change the world forever. Born in Austria in 1914, Hedy was a child prodigy. She took apart machines for fun. She could reassemble a music box at five. By her teen, she was obsessed with engineering and physics, but her life took a different turn. At 19, she married a powerful arms dealer, a man who sold weapons to Hitler. She sat through meetings with military scientists. She listened, took notes, learned everything, and realized the kind of man she married. She ran. She escaped Austria, disguised as a maid. She fled to Paris, then London, then Hollywood. She reinvented herself as a movie star, but while the world saw a glamorous actress behind closed doors, she was designing war technology. In World War Two, Hedy learned that the Nazi submarines were sinking ships. Torpedoes were guided by radio signals. But there was a problem, enemies could jam the signal and send torpedoes off course, she had an idea. She designed a secret communication system, one that could jump between radio frequencies, making it impossible for enemies to block. She partnered with a composer to create it using piano rolls as a model for frequency hopping. It was brilliant. In 1942 she patented the invention. She took it to the US Navy, and what did they say? Go entertain the troops sweetheart, or try selling war bonds. They ignored her, filed her work away, never used it. Decades later, her invention was rediscovered, and it became the foundation of Wi Fi, Bluetooth and GPS. Her ideas, her idea powers the entire modern world and the very same devices and technology men use to slander women and spread their misogynistic views. And she got nothing for it.

Lesley Logan 3:53  

There is some beautiful pictures of her doing stuff with the war you guys. It's worth looking at the post. She never made a single dollar from her patent, but by the time the world realized what she had done, she was old, broke and forgotten. The men who used her invention, well, they made millions. They also sidelined her from Hollywood, which forced her to go to Italy and pursue film production there. She invested all of her life savings to produce Love of Three Queens in which she also played multiple roles. What a cool woman. It was originally supposed to be a series of 39 half hour plays, but about the love affairs of famous women throughout history, but later pivoted to a full a film with only three of the original plays. The film was a massive flop, and Hedy ended up losing her entire life savings, which totaled to millions of dollars, and went back to America right after Hedy Lamarr died on January 19th, 2000 she wasn't just a Hollywood star. She was a brilliant scientist who never got credit, a woman whose genius was buried under her beauty. She changed the world, but history only remembers her face and even that very vaguely. So, Hedy Lamarr, genius, inventor, actress, the woman, the myth, the legend. I really am obsessed with that information. Do you feel like? I don't know? Like, the more you learn, the more you're like, wow. they just try to keep information from me. You know? They try to tell us different stories about history. They tried to make it seem like this happened, when this happened, or it's just all marketing, right? And I love that she just kept going. And I am sad that she died in the way that she did, but I really do love that she that she was a curious human and that she was thinking about ways to solve problems. And I loved her ballsiness that even, like, even at that time, I'm sure she knew they weren't going to listen to her, but she did it anyways. And I just think that, like sometimes we can get obsessed with a project we're working on and think, Well, I failed because it didn't work, it didn't sell, but you became someone along the way of working on that thing that didn't work in the way you wanted, and she didn't get the credit that she deserved. But all of us have more opportunities because of her, and so because of her, we should keep going. We should keep going. We should keep taking things on. We should keep challenging ourselves. We should keep learning. We can get kicked down, and we should get back up again and try again and not and most things won't be a success. 

Lesley Logan 6:08  

Okay. I saw something I don't think I saved it to share with you, but it was just like, just the percentage of balls that, like, weren't home runs that Babe Ruth did, and just the percentage of like, flops this person had versus like, how many awards they had. And we tend to only think about and celebrate like the Oscar win, but we don't like we don't go, oh my god, they only have one Oscar win, and they've done 300 movies. We never do that. So because we never do that for other people, we shouldn't do that for ourselves. We must celebrate some wins. So you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions and that's where wins go as well, and where our team will mark it as a question or a win, if it's a question we'll answer on Thursdays, if it's when we'll celebrate you here. And so our win today is from Miss Jordan Bebee and her win is big win this week. I have neglected using my Wunda Chair for quite a while now, so I decided it was time to break out my Wunda Chair flash cards. I started working through the order with whatever bits of time I had available each day, starting from the top of the deck each day to get the repetition. Whoa, that's so fun. By the time I got into my second week, I started feeling connected to my body that the week previous, I couldn't have dreamed of. Exercises that felt impossible to move were actually moving. But even better, I felt more connected to myself. Super excited to add my Chair back into my regular rotation. Thanks, LL, for the amazing flash cards. What a freaking cool way to do that. I am just so obsessed with how you all figure out ways to use these Chair cards and like, what a win you have. Like, I like, you're like, Okay, this is the start of the deck, and the chair has no order, so you just do whatever. And you go, like, went through and you started at the beginning. I love that. And you just were like, okay, I ran out of time. Oh, I have time for adding more cards. And the thing is, is that as you use them more, you have more time, you know, you can do more exercises in the same amount of time, because you start to remember what the card was and the exercise was. And of course, you're having more connections because it's consistency. And your body wants to move. Your body wants to move. A body motion says, Jordan, I'm obsessed with you, and this win. Thank you so much for letting us celebrate with you. 

Lesley Logan 8:08  

All right, my win. So I'm home, I'm home for a while, and no, my win so my win is I'm home, but my my win is I actually took a wonderful vacation Brad and I did in Palm Springs. It's kind of a tradition after the tour, I guess we could take a vacation anywhere. But Palm Springs is really fun because you can lay by the pool, like, just and it's so fun you guys just to get so bored. Like, I bring out two or three books that way, if I get bored of one book, I have another book, and I just lay under a cabana. I'm not even out in the sun. I'm just like, outside near pool. I don't even sometimes get in the pool. I just, like, lay out there and, you know, order food and drink and just lay until I'm so bored that I'm like, okay, we should go into town and do something. Like, we should go do that. Ah, it's the best. Was the best. And so, you know, it's, it's interesting. Like, sometimes it's hard to like, rest and relax when, like, there's just so much going on that you think that you should be doing something. And the reality is, is like, we are no good to anyone tired. We are no good to any effort, tired and exhausted. And so I'm just really grateful. The other thing that I will share, like, I plan these things in advance. It's very helpful, because I'm someone like, have you ever, like, said yes to something two months in advance, and it gets here you're like, oh, why did I say yes to that? Because your, your past self knew you needed it, and the reason you're tired and don't want to go is because you you need to go do the thing that will refill your cup. At the party or the, you know, the dinner with the friend or the spa date or the massage, like your past self knew your future self needed it. And so I typically lean into that, because it's like, well, it's two months ago. I thought this was gonna be a really good idea. So let's just see what happens. I can always leave, right? So anyways, we just use those amazing points. That's why you have them, and just took some time and that, that's just the win I have. So see how a win can just be sitting down and getting bored. I want that for you, too. I want that for you. So let us know if you did. Send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. 

Lesley Logan 10:11  

All right. Um, I this is your affirmation, and then you can take on your amazing weekend. Go kick some ass. I deserve self-respect and a clean space. I deserve self-respect and a clean space. I deserve self-respect and a clean space, and I just want to take that clean space. Please don't be the person who's always cleaning your space, okay? Other people have to respect the space that you probably cleaned already and then they dirtied. So a clean space doesn't mean you clean your desk and then you get your work done. Nope, nope, nope. That's procrastination towards perfection. No, meaning that like people, you deserve self-respect, and people deserve to keep like your area around you that you did so well attending to make sure that they don't get to piss on it. So, demand it and delegate. And people can do they they'll do it differently than you, but they can still do it so that you can be you and not be busying cleaning up after all these other people. So, love you all so much. Until next time, Be It Till you see it. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, please. It helps this podcast grow. I it would be the best thing you could do, my birthday is in a couple of weeks and if you want to get me something, it would be sharing our podcast or leaving a review or doing both. Thank you so much. Have an amazing day.

Lesley Logan 11:24  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 12:05  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 12:11  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 12:16  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 12:26  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

This recap episode reflects on the soulful conversation with tarot reader and spiritual mentor Frances Naudé, unpacking why tarot is best understood as a self-reflection tool. Brad and Lesley explore how intuition is often quiet, subtle, and easy to overlook, and how tarot can act as a structured way to pause, journal, and build self-trust. This grounded discussion invites listeners to see intuition as a daily practice—one that supports clearer decisions and more aligned action over time.

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And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Tarot as guided self-reflection rather than fortune telling.
• How intuition shows up quietly and builds through daily repetition.
• Using tarot cards as structured prompts for journaling and self-awareness.
• How tarot shifted from a self-reflection tool to feared over time.
• Training intuitive trust through small, low-stakes daily decisions.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates on Tour in London - https://xxll.co/pot
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions 
• Online Pilates Classes - https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/youtube
• Frances Naude's Website - https://www.francesnaude.com
• Frances Naude's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@francesnaude
• Free Intro to Tarot Online Course - https://beitpod.com/intrototarot
• Episode 157: Kate Wind - https://beitpod.com/bitysiep157

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

There's another way to figure out what's going on inside you, and tarot doesn't actually tell you anything new. It echoes what you already know and maybe what you're ignoring. When you draw a card in tarot, the card has some sort of meaning. 

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 1:02  

Take it away. 

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life are going to dig into the soulful, soulful, soulful. 

Brad Crowell 1:10  

The soulful.

Lesley Logan 1:11  

The soulful convo I had with Frances Naudé in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, and then come back to this. You guys, this is the episode that kicked off my hobby. This is the one.

Brad Crowell 1:27  

And as a bystander of said hobby, I am going to tell you, Lesley has been incredibly consistent with this hobby for, what, four or five months now? Six months? 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

Well, when I interviewed her. Six months? 

Brad Crowell 1:40  

I don't have any idea. 

Lesley Logan 1:41  

From the time that this, they listen to this, and then the time I interviewed her, I think we're at six months, four months. At any rate, I went full in on it, like the ADHD woman that I am, where you buy all the things my life makes so much sense now that I know that that's part of ADHD. You just buy. 

Brad Crowell 1:58  

July. 

Lesley Logan 1:58  

July, right. 

Brad Crowell 1:59  

July. 

Lesley Logan 2:00  

So, and this is January, yeah. So I bought all the things that one would need to study, a tarot, three different study guides and a app. But unlike all the other things that I have tried out, I have still been using all of the things, yeah. And there's a deck in every room. You can draw a card at any time.

Brad Crowell 2:19  

And you're, you know, reading about it, writing notes and being consistent, it's been great.

Lesley Logan 2:25  

I really like it, and so by the time you listen to this, I will have started drawing a card for each day so that I can do self-reflection daily. Yeah. So anyways, there we are. But okay, Brad's like, I know. All right, so they don't know. 

Brad Crowell 2:40  

They do not know what is today.

Lesley Logan 2:42  

Today is January 15th, 2026, and it's Wikipedia Day. 

Brad Crowell 2:47  

Wikipedia Day. 

Lesley Logan 2:48  

So, and just so you all know, you can start getting ready, because my birthday is coming up. It's not yet, but it's coming up January 15th isn't it? Well, they don't know.

Brad Crowell 2:57  

Just making sure that everyone else, that has nothing to do with Wikipedia Day, but Lesley is preparing for her birthday.

Lesley Logan 3:03  

If they're gonna send anything, the time is coming down, because it's 11 days away. 

Brad Crowell 3:07  

If they're gonna send something, send it to Wikipedia instead. 

Lesley Logan 3:11  

No. 

Brad Crowell 3:12  

Yeah. Send money to Wikipedia instead.

Lesley Logan 3:14  

No. Send money to your local SPCA group, not the major one that does the sad commercials, you're local one, okay, or you can send it up to Nevada's, and in my name, they'll, they already know me. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

Okay, so January 15th is an occasion that celebrates the birth and formation of Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia. Almost every single person in the world knows what Wikipedia is. When we search for something, a Wikipedia link is the first thing that pops up on our search engines. 

Brad Crowell 3:40  

More often than not. 

Lesley Logan 3:41  

It is also a popular site since it provides in-depth information and presents everything in a user friendly way. I love Wikipedia because of like, who is that person married to? You can just go right to that part, like, it's like a here's the bullet points. Okay, in-depth information and presents everything in a user friendly way. So without further ado, let's dedicate this day to the information provider that has been feeding us with the knowledge since day one. Happy Wikipedia Day, and surprise, I should have a Wikipedia page now. It's been a multi year journey. I think how I don't know how long Brad has been working on this project to gather all the information and create this page. I'm really excited about it.

Brad Crowell 4:17  

It's because I wanted to create a Wikipedia page that we hired a press person. 

Lesley Logan 4:22  

Years ago. 

Brad Crowell 4:23  

Years ago. 

Lesley Logan 4:23  

Yeah. And by the way, how long? Like, there's rules, like, not everyone could just have a Wikipedia.

Brad Crowell 4:28  

Yeah, no, it's, it's not, you can't just write a story and put it up there. Everything has to be validated and, you know, credible and linked to other things. It's, you know. 

Lesley Logan 4:28  

Because, like, you can't just go. 

Brad Crowell 4:29  

It's intentionally factual and historic.

Lesley Logan 4:39  

Like, Charlie next door just can't go, like, I'm gonna make a Wikipedia page for myself. 

Brad Crowell 4:47  

I mean, he could, but then the moderators would take it down the next day. 

Lesley Logan 4:50  

Right. 

Brad Crowell 4:51  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 4:51  

Right. 

Brad Crowell 4:53  

Right. And, I mean, it's also, you know, you can actually go onto Wikipedia and make any change you want to any page on there. Surprise, you can do that. That, but then it will be reviewed and either changed back or corrected or updated or whatever, or again validated. So, you know, the pages that are constantly growing, it's because there's external like verification for the source of this new information that's being added. It's very intentional. And the reality is, we didn't have the links back, the backlinks, to be able to say, well, Lesley did this. Lesley did that, or whatever, whatever, whatever.

Lesley Logan 5:31  

Because you can't just go, I did these things. They have to go. Where is the proof? Somewhere else that someone else can validate. You know that you did those things. 

Brad Crowell 5:38  

Exactly. 

Lesley Logan 5:38  

Yeah. But I'm now old enough. 

Brad Crowell 5:39  

Congratulations. 

Lesley Logan 5:39  

I'm famous enough, yeah. And if you want to, you know, look, Wikipedia does a thing every December where they want money, because they actually are free for you to use. And they need, they do a money drive every year. So if you want to give them their money, they're a worthy cause, yeah.

Brad Crowell 5:52  

I mean, I think I give them $3.50 a month through PayPal. 

Lesley Logan 5:57  

Oh, well, that's so fun. 

Brad Crowell 5:58  

I've been doing it for years. Yeah. Because if everybody does every time they do their drive every year, they say, if everyone just gave $3 then we would have all our bills paid for, right? And I was like, well, I can do $3 a month. How about that? Yeah.

Lesley Logan 6:12  

That's so thoughtful. Anyways, Brad and I are driving back from Palm Springs today. 

Brad Crowell 6:12  

Right now. 

Lesley Logan 6:12  

We were on vacation. Yeah, we went on vacation, and we're driving, and it's beautiful. We're probably picking up more cactuses because there is a cactus shop on the way from Palm Springs. Well, at least the way we go from Palm Springs home. So we'll have to see which cactus where we don't have yet that we want more of. And then, right now, the early bird discount for the retreat that is this year is happening.,

Brad Crowell 6:12  

Yeah, for Cambodia. Pilates Retreat. 

Lesley Logan 6:18  

So if you've got an email about it. You are one of the few people who got it, and there's way too many of you on the waitlist that we could take on this year's retreat. So you definitely want to snag your spot before they're all gone, before the discount ends. 

Brad Crowell 6:49  

Yeah, and no lie, we've already had people sign up. We had, like, secret invitation to some people, and so some spots were already snagged, and then we're already halfway through the early bird, so definitely, if this has been something that's on your radar, do not wait on this. 

Lesley Logan 7:06  

You want to come. 

Brad Crowell 7:07  

Yeah, go to crowsnestretreats.com for more information. But for those of you who are on the waitlist, check your email.

Lesley Logan 7:14  

Yeah, and if we are in your spam you need to tell your your spam folder that we are important people.

Brad Crowell 7:19  

Yeah, hello. We've Wikipedia page. 

Lesley Logan 7:21  

Right. What does it take to get out of the promotions folder? Damn it. Okay.

Brad Crowell 7:26  

All right. Next month, February. 

Lesley Logan 7:28  

Is Agency Mini, and it is for Pilates instructors and studio owners who work for themselves or want to, and they want their business to actually not just make the impact that they want to make, but also more than pay their bills, to have to align with their values, align with their goals, feel like they're more in charge of it all. And it's just a really beautiful program that we do. It's three days of your life, and it has replay access. And we've made some additional changes to this one from last time. So you're gonna want to go to prfit.biz/mini to sign up for the waitlist, because those on the waitlist will get the early bird. The early bird is coming up pretty close, because if it's happening in February, we always do an early bird a couple weeks out, so you don't want to miss that. After Mini, in March, Brad and I are going to go to Poland and then to Brussels. So there's a Contrology Pilates conference in Poland. xxll .co/poland I'm teaching alongside Karen Frischmann there. It's going to be a whole lot of fun. We've done it a couple years before, and then we're gonna be at the Pilates and Friends or the Vintage and Friends event at Els Studio Pilateles in Brussels xxll.co/brussels there are private and group classes, and then there's also these amazing workshops. Oh, and one of my dear friends who I haven't seen in years, is going to be at the Brussels one as well, so I'm super excited to teach alongside him again. It's been, it's been since, like, we were together at Jay's studio, so awesome. And then in April, Brad, so after that, Brad and I are gonna do a little second honeymoon, why not.

Brad Crowell 8:53  

Well, to celebrate our 10 years of marriage, that's one.

Lesley Logan 8:56  

Yeah, well, yeah. But like, why not? Is like, of course you would, yeah. And then we're going to be at the P.O.T. in London. xxll.co/pot will get you the information up at the London stuff. The lineup is amazing. It's our first time doing a P.O.T. in London. So that's really exciting. And that's actually also, by the way, these events are the only events outside our tour that you can hang out with us other than the retreat. That's it. Closing the schedule guys.

Brad Crowell 9:23  

Whoa, whoa, whoa, all right, before we go any further, we had an audience question, and today's question is from YouTube, from The Alternatives to the Pilates Teaser for Lower Back Issues video, Kelly asks, hey, actually, it's kellynyhan7909. Hi, Kelly. She said, Hey, could you share a class that is using a floor or standing using the floor, slash standing and a chair? Could you share a class? If that's possible. I've gone through the list of mat exercises and created my own ie side twist sitting and saw but I'm wondering if more for an aging population. It, if it would be good for all i also use the standing exercises from another video for the 100, the roll up, one leg, single leg, circle marching, etc. 

Lesley Logan 9:49  

Great. So. 

Brad Crowell 9:50  

You're gonna have to break down this question for me, because I don't actually have an idea what this question actually is.

Brad Crowell 10:08  

So, the idea, so she definitely asked a question has nothing to do with the video, which we tell people that they can do anytime they want. 

Brad Crowell 10:21  

True. 

Lesley Logan 10:21  

So what you want to look at, Kelly, on the YouTube channel is we actually released a entire long form video about how to do Pilates at work. So there's going to be some great suggestions. You can draw some inspiration from there, if not use them completely. We also have on the YouTube channel a standing workout. There's a whole workout you can do standing. There's a wall workout, a real wall pilates workout. And then over on OPC, Mindy created a really great stretch class using a chair. And you can use she was on a Wunda Chair, but Brad was on a regular chair, and it spliced in there. So I would definitely grab that workshop, or maybe it was a stretch class. It was another legacy tab, and that's what I would do. And the other thing I would just give you permission on is, after you've done all that, that's a lot of movements, right? A lot of exercises. And our bodies actually only do so many different movement directions. And so you don't have to keep getting creative. You actually need they can get more curious and more connected. So I would get all those inspirations together, find out the ones that work best for the population you're working with, and then make them get better at it. And if they if that's not just time that's going to help them, then what other exercises outside of those things would help them? What props, what tools, you can use the Accessories Deck and OPC to help you with that. So yeah, I understood the question. 

Brad Crowell 10:21  

Great, amazing. 

Lesley Logan 10:21  

Probably a good thing, since I'm answering it, go to beitpod.questions to send yours in.

Brad Crowell 10:50  

Nope, beitpod.com/questions 

Lesley Logan 10:50  

beitpod.com/questions and then submit your questions and maybe send up send a win, too. Something to celebrate. 

Brad Crowell 10:50  

Yeah, send us your wins, y'all. 

Lesley Logan 11:49  

You can also text us at 310-905-5534. Okay. Frances Naudé.

Brad Crowell 11:58  

Yeah, stick around. We will be right back. 

Brad Crowell 12:01  

Okay, now let's talk about Frances Naudé. Frances Naudé is a Reiki Master, tarot reader and spiritual mentor who helps people reconnect with their intuition and live in alignment with their true selves. She's also the creator of the Four Noble Tarot Deck. Tarot Deck.

Lesley Logan 12:19  

You can see Tarot. Deena says, tarot. 

Brad Crowell 12:22  

Oh, okay, and offers free tarot readings and energy guidance.

Lesley Logan 12:28  

Frances might say tarot, but.

Brad Crowell 12:31  

On YouTube, along with regular insights on Instagram from her global community, for her global community, that she affectionately calls The Soul Fam, guided by her belief that intuition is our greatest tool, Frances teaches others to trust their inner wisdom and lead with joy, courage and authenticity.

Lesley Logan 12:50  

Oh, my God. I was just so excited. I was like, okay, I have so many questions. Tell me everything.

Brad Crowell 12:55  

I really enjoyed your one question about the history.

Lesley Logan 13:00  

Oh, are we gonna talk about that today, or is that not in today?

Brad Crowell 13:03  

We are gonna. 

Lesley Logan 13:04  

Skip it today? 

Brad Crowell 13:05  

Well, no, it's not, it's not on here, but I thought it was very interesting. So yeah, let's just talk about it. 

Lesley Logan 13:09  

Let me tell you something, because I think there's more to the story. And obviously we had a short period of time, so I asked her where tarot, tarot came from, right? And she's like, like, how controversial we want to be. And I said, I want to know the truth. And so she said the church, the church had it, and then the church. 

Brad Crowell 13:26  

She said it was around before the church, but she said the church basically, adoted it. 

Lesley Logan 13:30  

Well, they appropriated it. That's a better word for what the church does, and they appropriated it. And then, you know, you would go to the church to get support over something you were thinking about contemplating, and then they would help you use it as a self-reflection tool. Because the printing press wasn't big, and only rich people could have tarot decks painted for them, right?

Brad Crowell 13:50  

Right. So can you just say that one sentence? They would help you, using the tarot, tarot cards as a self-reflection tool. They would use tarot cards as a self-reflection tool. 

Lesley Logan 14:04  

Yeah, well, and that's like, that's gonna go into what I love about what we talked about. 

Brad Crowell 14:13  

But let's keep going with the history. 

Lesley Logan 14:09  

Okay, so then the printing press became a thing, and so then people could just print their own tarot decks, and then they didn't need to go to the church. And so obviously that was like, not gonna work for the church, because then they'd be obsolete. So they made tarot decks be like. 

Brad Crowell 14:25  

Well, I'm sure you tithe to have your reading or whatever, to have your self-reflection, so effectively it was costing them money. So what did they do? They made, they demonized tarot decks. 

Lesley Logan 14:35  

The same thing they did with women healers. They demonized those too. They demonized. That's why the reason we have witches, witchcraft, all these things, is like, oh, that one point it served the church, and another point they decided to get rid of it, because it would mean they didn't have as much power. And now it became a witchy pagan thing. And let me tell you, after I heard this, I felt like my whole life was a lie. I was like, oh, my God, everything. I've ever been told that is evil and bad was actually good. It's all been good, right? You know. So anyways, we can talk about the witches they burned on another day. But I talked to Kate Wind, who we've had on the pod before, and I said, Kate, how come I didn't know that tarot decks came from the church? And she said, well, the church, we think the church took them from the Romanians, like, which the word you don't use anymore, but like Romanian gypsies, for lack of a better, like, what we're gonna call them. However, there's also some information that could have been from India as well. 

Brad Crowell 15:43  

Interesting. 

Lesley Logan 15:33  

But you know what? Just like we've been to Cambodia, and you're at the temples, and they're like, exactly the opposite of Machu Picchu what is what is. 

Brad Crowell 15:43  

They're opposite on the globe. 

Lesley Logan 15:45  

Right and so and so, it's like, to me, when I hear these things could be at the same time. It's like, because there was this human knowing that there's another way to figure out what's going on inside you. And so tarot doesn't actually tell you anything new, it echoes what you already know and maybe what you're ignoring. And so when you draw a card in tarot, the card has some sort of meaning. We'll just talk about like the upright position has some sort of meaning, right? And what you're supposed to do is reflect upon that meaning in your own life. And so I've been studying in different ways. Like I was talking to one of my besties on the phone yesterday, and she was talking about how she's doing this inventory in her life, and she's letting go of people who don't like ping back her serve, right? You know, like you gotta, it's gotta be or that she's not pinging back on them. And I was. 

Brad Crowell 16:36  

It has to be mutual. 

Lesley Logan 16:37  

It has to be mutual. Get this, one of the card I was studying yesterday was the moon, and the moon is this card where you're like, okay, what in my life is an illusion? Where am I? Where am I off the I'm on the wrong path. Where am I needing to let go of some things.

Brad Crowell 16:53  

Sorry, did you say where am I lying to myself? 

Lesley Logan 16:56  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 16:56  

Oh, recurring theme from last week's.

Lesley Logan 16:58  

Yeah, right. Same, same, exactly, well. And by the way, you are just doing the exact same thing you should do with tarot, which is, like you did something today. We recorded last week's show, and now you're learning about this card, and so you're using it as a way to think differently or think deeper about, self-reflection. And so I'm telling you guys right now. I mean, Frances said so many more amazing things, but like, this is the thing, if my therapist had told me pick up a tarot deck and journal, I would have been, my life problems have been solved a long time ago. Because I, this has been like, what am I supposed to reflect on? You know what I mean, like, is that not like the question you, like when people say self-reflect, like you have to do self-reflection. Like, do you ever wonder what that means? I just don't. I was like, what does that mean, though? How do I do that?

Brad Crowell 17:46  

Yeah, sure, but I mean, I don't know that. I usually, I'm, if I'm self-reflecting, it's because there's something that is wrong, and I'm I'm probably self-reflecting about that thing. I'm not just generally self-reflecting. 

Lesley Logan 17:59  

Okay, well, that's good, but also you're that sounds like you're only doing it when something's gone wrong. You're not doing it when something's gone right. 

Brad Crowell 18:04  

Well, sure. 

Lesley Logan 18:05  

Right, and so in tarot, you could have something going well, or you could or it could be, like there could be you can use it as a yes, no, decision maker like to help you make decisions in your life. But like, everything is about it has guidance and information and the symbols, and, like we talked about that, and it helps you kind of understand, it actually helps you have empowerment. That's what she said. She said it really is all about empowerment and helping people be able to navigate their own inner wisdom and then apply it forward. And I think that's the coolest thing about it. It's like a lot of us have so much goodness, and we can only give it to our friends. We can never give it to ourselves. 

Brad Crowell 18:38  

Yeah. So this is where it's interesting for me, right? Because, like, first off, I think that, like this interview, I found very curious. I actually really like listening to Frances. I think, I think it was revealing. There was also some things that were, like, definitely a double woo on the woo scale that I was kind of like, you know, but, but here's where I also think. 

Lesley Logan 18:59  

Brad, remember, we went to two woos, starting 2025. 

Brad Crowell 19:02  

Okay, but let's, let's, then she's in the 2.5s. So, so here's the thing, she also is not just doing tarot. She's also doing Reiki, right? And yoga. She's a yogi as well, like energy work, all that kind of stuff. So there's definitely she's got a lot going on. And so her answers were not exclusive to tarot. Right? And that's where, like, sometimes I was kind of going, well, you know, like, I've actually, you know, had Reiki performed on me and all that kind of stuff in the past as well. So I don't, I don't discount energy work. I think that it's, you know, we all have, we literally have a scientific magnetic field. I get it. I understand that it can be influenced with things and all the stuff. So I don't, I'm not saying no to that, either. But what I, I think that, having grown up in the church and having been like, told that like, you know, basically, tarot is the devil, you know, and looking at it like you know, effectively, it's almost like fortune telling, like, you know, you look at tarot, it's always in movies put alongside somebody with a crystal ball reading your future, and it's always portrayed as utter bullshit.

Lesley Logan 20:10  

Yes, I think that was part of the programming. So we would avoid it.

Brad Crowell 20:13  

I think so, too, you know, but, but that's just the that's where I'm coming from with it. That's the worldview that I've had my entire life, until I'm, you know, watching you do this, and listening to her talk about it. So, you know, I think that there's still that weirdness around well, when I'm having somebody else read my tarot cards, you know, this is not fortune telling, right? And I think that's what we should be very clear. They're not just making shit up. 

Lesley Logan 20:39  

Correct. And even when you have, when you do go get a reading like Kate does them. 

Brad Crowell 20:43  

Is it a back and forth, like you're, you know.

Lesley Logan 20:45  

You didn't have, you didn't get one from Lindsay? You didn't get one from Lindsay? Eric's place years ago.

Brad Crowell 20:51  

Maybe I can't remember, I think I did, but I can't remember. But, but the, but, like, the question I had, like, it's not like I'm sitting there in silence. They're flipping cards and telling you what's going to happen. It's more of a conversation and the person is helping you come to these conclusions.

Lesley Logan 21:05  

It probably depends on the on the facilitator, but essentially, the tarot readings I've had is I had one I didn't really like. I actually asked Kate about it, and she was like, she feels like she's being a little more predicting, versus like, asking you. But the one that Lindsay did, Lindsay (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 21:21  

She didn't do this. I think I remember it. 

Lesley Logan 21:21  

She did a reading with me, and she pulled these cards. And I don't remember the type of spread it was, but it was basically okay. So in the past, right? She had, like, a past, present, future spread of some sort. And so in the past, she's like, okay, in your past, you had x, y and z, that is currently affecting where you are presently. So what's going on in your present life was like, let's just say you drew the full card, which is the car. Like, this is the person's like, going off doing something. They're not probably prepared for it, but they're excited. And they are like, are just going for it, right? But there's these mountains in the way. They're gonna be obstacles, but they have clear skies ahead, because there's gonna be something amazing, like, that's the full so in your past, you had this opportunity to do something amazing, and that sets you off on your present and then the present card, it could be the moon, okay? But presently, you have some illusions. You might be misaligned, and you know, like this. And then in the future, oh, the future, you've got an emperor, right? I'm just picking cards that I remember by. 

Brad Crowell 22:22  

But the idea here is that there's, like, different positions, and one position is past, one position is present, one position is future. 

Lesley Logan 22:29  

If you do that, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 22:29  

And then, and then the the cards help you reflect on different things from your past, from your present, from your future. 

Lesley Logan 22:30  

Yeah. So then you can ask your and then there's self-reflection questions like, okay, what does this make me think of is there a decision that I need to be making right now that I haven't been making? Is this, is there, is there, like, you could be doing a financial spread, and then the cards could be, you take all the meanings of the cards and it's a financial spread, and you're like, oh, if you get this one, like, there's one card that, if you get it, it's like, oh, you should take more drastic, dramatic action in your investments, right where you could draw a different card that's saying, oh, you should be more careful.

Brad Crowell 23:07  

But this comes down to the predictive, not the reflection. And that's where, like, that's where. For me, this is weird.

Lesley Logan 23:12  

So I'm explaining to it in a way that, yes, I could hear how you're saying it's predictive, where you would then take it as going, oh, okay, where can I be more aggressive in my financial investments. Where have I been too like, maybe you got the card upside down. Where have I been too aggressive in my financial investments? So you take the card's meaning , and then you apply it to your life based on the spread you're doing. And this is why we couldn't, didn't have the time to get into this. 

Brad Crowell 23:38  

So it's like in the present, and then the whatever the card is, maybe the card is saying, let's talk about how this, you know, this, you've been too aggressive, or let's talk about how you've been not aggressive enough.

Lesley Logan 23:49  

You could actually draw a card that is all about intuition. And so then the question is like, okay, what is my intuition saying I should be doing today, or I should be doing right now, like you're.

Brad Crowell 23:58  

But this is what, okay, now that we're talking about it clarifying in this way, it's bringing me even more on board, because it effectively is almost like talking points. Yeah, each card represents a different talking point, a different analytical way of looking at your own past, present and future. 

Lesley Logan 24:16  

Correct. If you do that spread and so what you are supposed to do is listen to them explain what each card means and the position that it's in, and then go and apply it. Meaning, like, reflect upon it and go, okay, it like, let's say you're doing a spread that has to do with your your career, right? You, right now, Brad, are currently doing a lot more sales in the in our business, right? You could end up with, like, doing a spread where it's in the future, it's showing you as having more leadership roles. Okay? So then it's like, okay, well, if in the future, I might having to take on more leadership roles in this business, then you know, what do I need to be doing today to prepare myself? How much of how, what does that feel like for me? Do, if that is something I was going to take on, what would I like to learn about myself? What would I want to do? What should I be doing now? So that can be even a possibility, right? So, like, it just reflects upon different things. And also, it's not predictive. It's just they're all each card, what it represents is more. It's like, not, I don't want to distill it down to a vibe, but it's a vibe, right? Like, and they represent different feelings. There are some cards that, like, the cups are all about emotions. So when you draw Cups cards in your spread, and maybe it's a day spread, maybe you just do one card a day, you might draw the 10 of Cups, which is all about relationships. So then it's like, Okay, today, where can I invest more in my relationships? So for me, I prefer the Day card, because it's like, okay, it's like a focus for today, but you can use them.

Brad Crowell 25:50  

It's almost like a journal prompt, you know it's like, it's like a preconceived 365 day journal prompt.

Lesley Logan 25:56  

Correct, I bought a whole journal that does one a day, and they have stickers. And I was like, fucking in. I'm doing it. I got stickers for I got a tarot card sticker. 

Brad Crowell 26:03  

This is cool. I like this even more now. 

Lesley Logan 26:05  

And so and so, for me, the way I've been studying it is, like, the card I'm studying, I'm literally going, how today did I see did, like, when I was studying, like, the Empress, like, oh, how today was I, like, using these things that she has or, or I wasn't using these things. Oh, there was that moment today where I outsourced my intuition to this person over here. So it just helps you reflect upon yourself and get to know yourself more. And the thing is that we all need if we want to have self-love, prevent burnout, be it till we see it. If you don't know yourself like you, you don't know how to listen to yourself, then it becomes really hard. So I have really got obsessed with it, because I'm like, oh, this is a way for me to have a conversation with myself that is somewhat guided and that it's whatever card I drew, whatever card I'm learning from that day, and that allows me to reflect upon today or my past or whatever, and uncover and almost like an onion, peel back another layer without outsourcing my agency.

Brad Crowell 27:06  

Well, I was just talking about this. Well, first off, that's really cool, and I and I agree, I think it's awesome that this is like, you're not outsourcing, you're not nothing wrong with going to see a therapist or anything like that. That's not what I'm talking about. But it's nice that this is something that you can do on your own. And I was just talking about this with someone about self-reflection, and I love that this is effectively a self -reflection practice.

Lesley Logan 27:29  

Yeah, that's and that's like, I really was so pleased that Frances explained it in that way, because correct, like you, I went to a tarot reader thinking they're gonna tell me what could be coming up in the future, and I forgot the time that Lindsay did it. And more was like, okay, you've been through X, Y and Z according to your past. You're it's currently affecting in this way and presenting in this way. And in the future, this could be coming up, and you should be aware of it. And it's like, so that sounds predictive, but also I still have to be the one who goes and does the thing. So I need to reflect upon, what did I learn in the past when it comes to that area that this card is representing? What am I currently going through that this card is highlighting, and then this future card is sharing, is putting this as a thing to be looking at. Doesn't mean it's predictive, but like, if that, like, what do I, where's the gap? What do I need to know? What does that, what feeling does that bring up in me? You know? So it's not, it's more of a guide, it's just a guide. I really like it. And I, and I am so pissed that I this was it took me 43 years of my life to know this is something I could use. I'm so grateful for Frances.

Brad Crowell 28:38  

Well, nothing like a little anger to make motivate you to learn.

Lesley Logan 28:41  

Yeah. Oh, and also, people keep asking if I'm going to do a reading, and the answer is no.

Brad Crowell 28:46  

Okay, so here's the deal that's funny that you say that, you know, how do you you know, I just want to briefly touch on this before we move on to some great Be It Action Items. But because I just hijacked your whole conversation and asked about the process and the belief behind it and how it works, which I am glad we did, because I feel like it was good to clarify that I had also written down some notes about the conversation you had with listening to your own intuition, right, because you asked her questions about how did you know that you could do this full time as a career? How did this turn into a career? And I'm gonna skip a whole lot of my notes, but ultimately, she said, you know, pursuing the unconventional path requires being your own staunchest supporter. Because you were talking about, how was it like at a family picnic with people like you're doing what now are you can I like, pray for you? 

Lesley Logan 29:32  

Oh, I could only imagine. 

Brad Crowell 29:32  

Yeah, right. And so.

Lesley Logan 29:32  

When I told people I was a Pilates instructor, that was already weird. Can you imagine telling them that you're doing Reiki and tarot?

Brad Crowell 29:40  

Right. So, you know, and what she said, It's not that you have to have the it's not that you have the confidence already. It's that you trust so deeply that you're that what you're doing is what you're supposed to be doing, which is listen to it, to your intuition, right? She said, you do it scared anyways, which is being it till you see it? Right. And she said that builds your confidence. So I just wanted to make sure we got that in. I thought that was really awesome. But stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna uncover these Be It Action Items that we got from Frances Naudé. 

Brad Crowell 30:09  

All right, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Frances Naudé? She said you have to learn how to hear and trust your intuition. Learn how to hear and trust your intuition. And she said, here's a three-part practice for building your intuitive muscle. And this is great, because learn how to hear and trust your intuition is not helpful for me, but here's three steps. Here's how you do that. Start with small daily decisions, things that you do every day, like choosing your tea, picking produce, or selecting which pair of underwear to wear, because that's what she does. She picks it up and she goes, is today, this pair of underwear day, or that pair of underwear day? And she's building this intuitive muscle, you know, like listening to herself, feeling it out, right. And she said, why does she do it then? Because it's something she repeats every single day. She has to make a choice right then, and so she's.

Lesley Logan 31:04  

I'm obsessed with it, because it goes in line with how habits are created. 

Brad Crowell 31:08  

Hundred percent, yeah. She says, pause and feel after you make the choice, stop and notice what does it feel like in your body, and what energy do you have when you've made that decision. Then recognize the nature of intuition. So this is step three, recognize the nature of intuition. It's quiet. Often feels like a passing thought can lead you down paths that challenge your comfort zone and beliefs. She said, your intuition often will not make logical sense. It might not actually be loud. People always expect these really big moments, but intuition is often really quiet. So she basically, she's reminding us that daily awareness practice will help you build trust in your own guidance long before the big decisions show up

Lesley Logan 31:48  

And to the next step, then ,you have to do that first. You guys don't get to skip ahead, do that first, the next step is to define your highest self. So this is the person we're being it until we see, right? This is a place that exists without ego, she said, without fears, worries, anxieties, and without other people's stories. So yeah, get rid of the other people's stories that are in your head, telling you who your highest self is. And then she encouraged you to clearly define who that self is and live by it. And she, Frances actually shared her three pillars of her highest self, which are, she lets joy lead. She does not let fear get in her way, and she lives in unity with all that's around her. I think that that's those are really tough things to kind of do, because we all want to control how things are. But if you let joy lead hence the going back to last week's episode, I love that these are back to back episodes, and then not letting fear get in the way. That means doing things scared. You know, going back to last week's episode. So so she also said, when you combine a strength and intuitive muscle with a clear vision of the highest self, every decision you make, you are walking that aligned path, even when the noise gets loud. And I just want to say that one more time, when you combine a strength and intuitive muscle with a clear vision of that highest self, every decision you make, you're walking that aligned path. So that's what I want for you guys. And I'm really, really like, I hate how long it took us to get this episode out, Frances, because, like, I've been working so hard on my tarot, but I really am super excited that it's coming out this time of the new year, when people can actually, like, instead of going new year, new me, it's like, what, what, who are, is your highest self. That should be the thing that you're thinking about. And then what can you do every day to walk in alignment with that? And that's going to help you with all the ups and downs and highs and lows. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 33:31  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 33:32  

Thank you, Frances Naudé. Y'all, how are we gonna use these tips in your life? What were your favorite parts? Make sure you tag Frances. By the way, you guys, she does a weekly drawing every single Monday. It's quite fun to attend live, and I'm sure you can get to know more about her. And look, I probably got some of this information wrong, but this is my interpretation of it. I'm sticking with it. Don't take it from me. All right, until next time. Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 33:52  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 33:54  

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Brad Crowell 34:36  

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Lesley Logan 34:41  

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Brad Crowell 34:46  

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Lesley Logan 34:53  

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Brad Crowell 34:56  

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In this grounded and eye-opening conversation, Reiki Master and tarot creator Frances Naudé joins Lesley Logan to reframe tarot as a tool for self-trust, clarity, and empowered decision-making. Frances explains how tarot doesn’t predict your future—it reflects what you already know and may be ignoring. Together, they explore how creating space, asking better questions, and learning to trust subtle inner signals can shift how you navigate decisions, career changes, and personal growth—reminding listeners that self-trust is a skill you can practice.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Tarot as a mirror for intuition rather than a tool for prediction.
• Why intuition speaks quietly and how to make space to hear it.
• How asking better questions leads to clearer, empowered decisions.
• The difference between tarot and oracle cards—and how to use each.
• Strengthening the intuition muscle through repeated daily decisions.

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Frances Naudé supports her global community through her work as a Tarot Card Reader, Tarot Card Deck Creator, Reiki Master, and Spiritual Mentor. Her keen ability to channel hyper-specific messages from Spirit has helped thousands of people co-create an aligned life of purpose, joy, and holistic wellbeing. The Soul Fam, as Frances so lovingly calls her clients, can choose to receive from one-on-one sessions (both remotely and in person), online courses, mentorship programs, the Four Noble Tarot Deck, or free virtual readings and healings on YouTube.

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Episode Transcript:

Frances Naudé 0:00  

Like, Oh, I pulled a tarot card today. It's like, the universe slapped me in the face. It is like really, it is kind of like that, because Tarot never really tells you anything new. It just echoes what you already know and maybe what you're ignoring.

Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:53  

Be It babe, just having the best day recording for you. I just have to say this, like, it's been one of the most wonderful day recording. But I also just want to say, like, this is a topic that, like, I was like, oh, I wonder how we could talk about this on the Be It pod. And then it got to like, you know, I really am interested in this. And then also it became even more important as we got into this conversation. So Frances Naudé is our guest today, and we're going to talk tarot, and even if you think you don't need to know about tarot, that's not what this episode is about. This episode is about how can we trust ourselves more? Can't be it till you see it if you don't have trust in who you are. And we talked a little bit about confidence and just really understanding, like what, what is going on inside of ourselves? And I just think that this is the most informative episode when it comes to self-trust and confidence that I've had in a long, long time. And I really can't wait for you to hear it. And there's also a history of where tarot came from that blew my fucking mind. Blew it, blew it. So here is Frances Naudé. 

Lesley Logan 1:56  

Okay, Be It, babe. This, this topic I'm super excited about when one of our dear friends, friend of the pod, has been on the pod before, Kelly Hartling told me about this, when I was like, yeah, I am yes, how quickly can we get this person on? So this is the first time Frances Naudé and I are meeting, but this, this is something I'm very excited to talk about. So Frances, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Frances Naudé 2:19  

Yes. Hello. Thank you for having me. As you said, I am Frances. I am a Reiki Master, energy healer, a tarot card reader. I am the creator of the Four Noble tarot deck, and I am a spiritual channel and spiritual mentor. So essentially, my purpose, my sole purpose here, is to help people heal and align and live their most authentic and joyful lives, and I do that through energy healing, which also supports the physical body, as well as tarot card readings. And the way that I work with tarot is very much in the present moment, while you know, fortune telling may have its place for me, I believe in free will, and so I prefer to focus on empowering people, helping them understand their own intuition, what I call their spiritual team. So bringing in all the good beings that surround you all the time, and allowing allowing that messaging to come through and really up level your human form and your human life here that we chose to have. 

Lesley Logan 3:16  

Okay, so excited about this, because okay, so there's this person that I am. I have bought tarot decks. I don't really know what I'm doing with them, but I they're so beautiful, and they're so pretty and, like, I have friends like, oh, I drew a card today. I'm like, yeah, I'll do that. I'm gonna draw a card. And then I'm like, what does this card mean? I don't know what it means. All I know is it's either right side up or it's upside down. And then I'm like, okay, Google, watch us mean, and then it gives you a meaning. And I'm like, I do with that, though. So can you tell us a little about, can we go into that? Because I think, like, first of all, for the people are like, this is a double woo, LL, like, I'm not really sure. I don't call it a double woo anymore. I actually think it's another way, to me, I've seen people use it as like, not therapy, but a way to meditate, or way to explore, a way to understand themselves, or to ask themselves a different question for the day. So that's why I don't think it's a double woo. But what are we supposed to do with tarot?

Frances Naudé 4:13  

Yeah, so tarot, it does. I mean, you can work with it so many different ways. There are thousands of decks out there, and like, my number one thing is, if you want to work with tarot, use a deck that you like, not the deck that someone told you to use. Because your intuition, whether you are like, really great at listening to it and you totally understand it, or whether you're like, I don't, I kind of know, but, you know, I have a gut feeling, but I don't really work with it every day, it's still working right. So you are going to be drawn to a deck, whether it's the artwork, the colors, the whatever. And so work with that deck. Now your deck hopefully comes with a guidebook, and so with that, as you mentioned, or like Google, like, yeah, if you're Googling, that's great, you know, because tarot does require some study. You know, tarot cards, each one, there's 78 and each one has this specific definition from deck to deck, guidebook to guidebook, they will change a little bit, but they should have that like basic core every card means the same thing. Now, with my deck and the guidebook that I wrote, slash channeled, and when I say channel, if anyone is new here, this does sound very woo, but it is what I now super duper with all of me trust to be 100% true, and all of us can do this if we want to. We were designed as humans to do this. It's just we've been programmed to not but channeling is receiving from energy, God, universe, spirit, whatever it is that you believe in. So I channeled that and wrote the guidebook. And for me, as you said, sometimes you read it and you're like, okay, so what do I do? This guidebook and as well as many out there, I'm not just saying like, oh, buy mine, you know, they should hopefully be actionable as well. So this is how you're feeling, and here's what you can do with it. But there is also a way to rely on your intuition, right? So it's like, you pull a card and you're like, I don't know what this means. Let me look it up. And then maybe the death or the guidebook that you have says, you know, this means that you are overwhelmed, and you're like, well, duh, I'm overwhelmed. Then that could be a moment for you to check in and be like, okay, well, what's overwhelming me? What can I do about that? And so that's why it's really great. If you're newer to tarot, you know, to study the guidebook that you're working with, and also work with other people who can, like read for you, because they can kind of even just getting a reading one time. They can show you how to, sort of like work with the information that you're given. But tarot, it's a tool that's ultimately the way that I use it, at least it's a tool to gain information about myself through my own intuition from, again, what I call spiritual teams. Or it's just, like, as much as I really believe in the sacred nature of it, it's really fun. You know, people hire me for events all the time, and like, well, like, I'm the party trick, you know, and it's like a fun thing to do, but I really do believe that it is so informative if you allow it to be, and it really can be whatever you want it to be, it's like meditation, right? If you want to meditate and have some really big, profound experience, that's what it's going to be for you. Or if you want to do a one minute visualization, that's what it's going to be for you. It doesn't really matter what you're doing, it's how it's serving you and how you're working with it, and what you're receiving from it.

Lesley Logan 7:25  

Yeah, because the way you're describing it, too, is it's almost like, instead of like, letting the card tell you how you're feeling or what you should be doing, it's a, it's a, it's asking you, ideally, to go within and explore. What does that mean, and where is this coming from, and what, what does it mean for me? So you, you're not going, oh, I have to follow this card, because that's what it says today. And instead, it's like to follow myself. And what is this card kind of asking me to focus on today, because there's so many different things we could focus on in the world at one given time. So, like, it's kind of giving you a thing to think about.

Frances Naudé 7:57  

Exactly and it's funny too. Like, if you get on, you know, like the tarot side of Instagram, or TikTok or whatever it is, there's these memes, and it'll be like, you know, even in comparison to oracle cards. So if anyone listening is like, well, wait, I have an Oracle Card Deck. What's the difference between Oracle and tarot? Okay, very briefly, tarot again, 78 cards. There's always going to be 78 cards, and every card should have a similar meaning between decks Oracle, fair game and typically, Oracle cards are also channeled by the author, but they're a little bit softer and lighter. Oracle cards are very actionable. That was actually my inspiration when writing my guidebook was like, exactly what you said, What do I do? So I wrote it similar to an Oracle Card guidebook rooted in tarot, so it was very actionable. But going back to the meme having that differentiation, the Oracle card, it'll be like, oh, I pulled an Oracle card today, and it's like, universe gave me a hug, and then it's like, oh, I pulled a tarot card today. It's like, universe slapped me in the face. Really, it is kind of like that, because Tarot never really tells you anything new, it just echoes what you already know and maybe what you're ignoring. A lot of times, when I do readings for people, you know they're like, I knew that. And I'm like, I know you did. You just needed a complete stranger who knows nothing about your life to tell you that you can trust yourself. And my favorite thing ever, as much as I love my clients, is when I don't see them for a while because I'm like, you're doing it. You are doing the thing, right? It's like, when you graduate from therapy and your therapist is like, you can come once every three months now, or whenever you feel like it, instead of weekly, like you've learned the tools. So it does provide information in terms of, like, if I ask, you know, what's the energy of the situation, or should I take this path or this path? Though spirit will never give you a clear answer. It's always going to be your choice, but they can kind of show you, like the energy of this decision A versus decision B, and then it's like, okay, so what do you want with that? Um, so ultimately, yeah, it's information, at least the way that I work with it. And again, there are many ways to work with it, but for me, it really is all about empowerment and helping people be able to, like, navigate their own inner world and inner wisdom and then apply that forward.

Lesley Logan 10:14  

Okay, so excited. Okay, so I guess two, two questions. And I hate when I do two at the same time, but I'm gonna do it. One, where did tarot come from? And two, how did you get into it? Because if you're so passionate about it. Like, clearly, like it, there's some, there's something there, so, but I do, like, you know, like, I know Joe Pilates created Pilates. Like, who is Mr. Taro, or Mrs. Taro, or they tarot. Like, where did it come from?

Frances Naudé 10:38  

Yes, okay, so many origin stories of tarot, but what I have learned, and what I teach to my students, is that tarot actually originated, oh, I can't say originated, but very early on, was used in the church. Tarot was also a game. So tarot cards, it was like the game Tarot. I have no idea how that game works. It is a game. And then people started receiving, like, the same information through the imagery, and then started using it. I don't love this word, but like the occult, if you've ever seen that, to me, that feels like, really, like heavy in a way, but that is the history of it. And then it was often adopted by the church. But what I understand from this is that people were playing tarot, using tarot, and when the printing press was invented, it became really widely spread, right? So in the tarot deck, there, this will make sense why I'm saying this in a second, in the tarot deck, there are five suits, so the first four we call the Minor Arcana. And those resemble a playing card deck, right? So diamonds, clubs, hearts and spades, we have swords, pentacles, cups and wands. Then we have the fifth suit, which is the Major Arcana. The Major Arcana are like names, so it's like The Moon, The Hermit, The Empress, like they are themes. And back in the day, many people would have artists, so wealthy people who could afford to hire an artist, would have like images drawn for their major suit, for their major death, right? But if you wanted a tarot deck, you had to commission it. You had to find an artist who could do the drive. So then come the printing press. We didn't have to do that anymore, right? So decks were more readily available, which means that this tool was more readily available. The Church didn't like that, because it was putting power in the hands of the people instead of going to whatever your religious leader was. And so they took it back and they demonized it, right? Like many organized religions, tarot is evil, tarot is paganism. Tarot is.

Lesley Logan 12:51  

Oh I was raised with that. It was terrible, terrible, yeah. 

Frances Naudé 12:51  

Totally, when I do events, people look at me and like, some people are like, oh, I'm so excited. And some people are like, and they like, walk away.

Lesley Logan 12:59  

I'm going straight to hell. It's happening. 

Frances Naudé 13:03  

Yeah, I'm like, I swear I'm normal, and this is fun. But so that is, like one of the, or two of the origins, well, I guess, like a one very convoluted world of tarot, um, and then over time, obviously, you know, people were still practicing it. It was just seen. It was, it was the church was successful, because if you had tarot cards, you were going against the church, right? So it became this, like, kind of dark thing. And then we had the original tarot deck, which is the Rider-Waite Tarot Deck. This is still widely available. Obviously, it's been like, modernized and the colors have popped, but I think it's like, like, you can get it on Amazon or bookstores or anything like that. And if anyone is looking for it, it's R-I-D-E-R dash W-A-I-T-E and I will say, if you are learning tarot to become you know, like a seasoned professional, I would recommend starting with that deck. The imagery in that deck is super, super, like every single little image represents something. So if you want to really, like deep dive into tarot study Rider-Waite and then you can start using whatever deck you want. But that's like the OG deck, okay? And then how I began working with tarot. Honestly, it's like, so I don't remember exactly, you know, it's kind of like, it's, it's foggy when you look back, because you pick something up and you're like, this is never gonna like, this isn't anything. This is just a fun thing. And then you're like, oh, this is my job now. But I started, so I started with energy work. Well, I started with, well, I started in corporate, then I was deeply unhappy. So I started taking night classes, and I got my health coach certification, and that was like, closer to the thing. Whatever the thing was, it was closer, but it wasn't quite it. Then I did my yoga teacher certification. I'd always been a dancer, and I was like, I love, you know, the body and all of that. I'm going to do yoga thinking it was more exercise. But then my favorite part of yoga teacher training was the philosophical side of it, and you're learning all the yogic principles and all of that, and that really led me down the path of energy. So then I started studying Reiki, and then from Reiki, I started studying tarot. And I was, like, such a dork. I like, printed out every single description, and like, studied and was highlighting and all of it. And now I'm, like, actually so grateful for my past self for doing that. Because now, if someone were like, you need to study the definitions of 78 tarot cards, I'd be like, there's just no, I don't have time for that. But at the time, it was like, I was like, eating it up, like anything that I could get. And then, yeah, I just started taking clients, not ever thinking it would be anything. And I was working multiple jobs at a time, and because I eventually left corporate, and then I was had a bunch of side gigs, and also doing, you know, Reiki and tarot. And then one day, I was like, oh, my God. Why am I so overwhelmed? Like, why am I so tired? I was like, oh, because you're doing, like, seven things and I was so blessed that I was able to finally build up my clientele where I could let those other pieces go. And it was such a dream come true. I couldn't believe that this was like my full time gig after many, many, many years, but it was, yeah.

Lesley Logan 16:13  

I love I love that it was a nonlinear way for you. Because I do think everyone has to hear that, whether you're into the tarot part of the story or not. Like, just knowing that we all end up somewhere where we think it's supposed to be because of what we were told, which, you know, as you start to the more you start to hear stories of what like we're told is going to make us happy. And then then you hear, like, just the things that, like, some things were available, and then someone decided that they're not available anymore. And like, you know, like you start to realize, like, oh, it's not bad that you started in corporate, because it led you to where you are, and it allows you to recognize people, and also some people will always be in corporate, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. But like, no one's journey to figuring out what they want to be and what they're really called to do is linear. It happens to be like, oh, what's down this door? Oh, I really am interested in that. Hold on, what's this over here? And I just think that that's so fascinating. Okay, so I love that you said, like, if I started to pick up trying to learn 78 decks, 78 cards, right now, I probably wouldn't. I'm like, right here going, how long would it take me to learn 70? Because it's actually quite funny, because I teach Pilates teachers every year I work with Pilates teachers who already be teaching, but I'll teach them over 500 exercises every year, right and, and I don't think I quite understood, like, what I was embarking on when I became a Pilates instructor. And I think today, like, wow, could I learn 500 right now? Like, learn them the way I learned them? But if somebody does want to pick this up as a hobby or just something that they're like, wanting to explore more. Obviously, you gave us that original deck that could be a great one. And also, like what your intuition is like, you know what you like, but what do you do? Do you draw one a day? Do you do it when you meditate? Do you do it when you need it? Like, how do you use it? 

Frances Naudé 17:54  

Yeah, so for someone who wants, like, daily use for themselves, I would say, just do it when you feel called. I love pulling a card a day. It's a great way to get acquainted with the deck. You can read from the guidebook. You can Google like you're learning as you go, right? Because that that's the whole point. And even if you don't memorize it, that's okay, you're still receiving the information. So I think one a day is awesome if you have a meditation practice or you want to create one, you can add that in so like pull a card, see what it says. Meditate for five minutes, what's coming through for you? You know what? What did you receive from that 10 minute practice? That's what I love about tarot is especially for people who have limited time, whether you have kids or you have a demanding job, or you struggle to focus for a while, or whatever it is, it's so tangible that you can actually, like, take it in these bite sized pieces, and then maybe one day, you're like, I want to pull three cards, or I want to pull 10 cards. So that's option one is kind of just pulling to see what comes through. The other is, if you're in an area where or a time in life, we're like, I need guidance, like, I need some info. I need some some clarity. That's a great time to pull tarot, right? And you can literally ask the cards your question. Now I hesitate with yes no's, so reframing your questions is important. So for example, let's say it's like, should I take this job? Yes or no? maybe I would change it to, what is the energy of taking this job, pull a card. What is the energy of rejecting this job? Pull a card, and you can see energetically which one is lighter. If you get two cards that are light, that's universe being like both both options are a great choice for you, and it's just gonna lead down a different path. You know, that's something I've learned in this work, is if you are being presented with options, there's no right or wrong choice, there's just different paths. And so this is about really like listening to what path you want, right? Maybe, like, option one, the card that you get is, like, you know, I don't know, very warm, like the Sun card, right? That's warmth, that's growth. It's, you know, it feel, it feels like summer, so there's a lot of energy in it that. But maybe, and then maybe the other card is a little bit more money focused, right? Like, 10 of pentacles, that's money, that's family, right? So you're like, oh, I can have abundance and a family. I want that. But then if you're someone who's like, I want to be a CEO, maybe you run down, you go down that Sun path, right? So it's, it's highlighting options for you. So I think number one, to answer your question, it's, yeah, a daily practice pulling a card. That's great. You'll learn as you go. Number two, ask them questions. If you have them, one of my favorite questions, which is still very broad, and this is always how I start my personal readings for myself, is, what do I need to know right now? Like, what do you what do you want to tell me right now? What do I need to know right now? If I have specific questions, I'll ask them. But usually the what do I need to know right now is pretty like they will point out your stressors, or, you know, where you're feeling lack of clarity, or whatever it may be. And then I think for people who want to, like, really dive in, there just is no other way but to study like you just you got to study, and you have to practice, practice with yourself. But the best way to learn to read tarot cards is to actually practice on other people, because that pressure of like, oh my god, someone's waiting for me to tell them something. It's forcing you to get out of your own way. It's forcing you to shut that brain off and just dive in. I imagine it's like teaching your first Pilates class where you're standing out there and you're like, oh my god, oh my god. There are all of these people staring at me, waiting for me to tell them what to do like I just got to go that's similar with tarot. And once you do like those first five to 10, you learn to trust yourself, and then it makes reading cards for yourself a lot easier. I always like to tell people reading cards for yourself in the beginning is way harder than reading for other people. So if you really want to start like developing this practice, do it for other people and trust yourself. And then final piece, final tip for if you're learning cards, is find a deck whose imagery speaks to you because the imagery is informative of the message. So I'll show you an example, or I'll give an example here. Let's say, okay, this card, I'll describe it. This is 10 of swords. Okay, so it's this woman sitting on a tombstone. I know it sounds really intense, but there's ivy growing all over it. There's the 10 swords, which is representative, you know, of of the of the card. And then there's a moon there. And this card is all about completion, right? This is about ending of cycles. This is about death, right? And not physical death, but, you know, the death of something. And so if I were brand new to tarot and I looked at this card, I would probably be like, oh, okay, that's a tombstone. So she's alive, though something changed. She's like, you know, I would get something from this. So that's a really beautiful way to learn with tarot, is like, reading from the imagery itself, and then, like, really trusting yourself. That was a lot of insight, sorry.

Lesley Logan 23:13  

Frances, you're, it's so fun because, like, it's all the questions, like you're answering questions I didn't even know I had, but also the overarching theme I'm getting from all of this, and I think that, like, it's so funny, I kind of feel like I was, like, part of my life was stolen from me by being told that tarot was, like, paganism is that like, it continues to ask you to trust what's coming up for you? Like, even, you know, like, even if you're reading for a friend, you're asking them the question. It's like, you know, like it's, you're looking at the card, but you're asking them the question, like, oh, something's coming to a completion. Like, it's not, it's, it's not someone else telling you something, it's asking to go within. And I think, like in today's world, with everything that's going on, there's so many things asking us to focus on all this other stuff that we're not, very few people are focusing on themselves and how they actually feel and what their energy is. And so having a practice, even if it's once a week or once a day, to like, go, what is this telling me right now? Oh, this is about overwhelm, or this is about abundance. Oh, I do have a lot in my life right now, like just having that moment to check in and with ourselves, like some of us need that physical thing to do that.

Frances Naudé 24:25  

Yeah, 100% that's that's what I do. Like again, when I don't see clients, I'm like, oh my god, I miss them, but I'm so happy because that means that they've been able to trust themselves intuition or gut feelings or inner wisdom, whatever it is that you want to call it for yourself, it is so silenced by noise. And so social media, TV, like, how many as we wake up, we roll over. Instagram, yeah, we wake up, we roll over, put on the news. We wake up like, you know, we just like, get in this cycle. And so, as you said, yeah, this. 510, minutes. Sometimes you don't even need to pull the card. It's literally just the sitting down. It's like, oh, I've given myself this 5, 10, 20, 30 minutes of space. Like, what's coming up in here? And it is, and it's, it's, but this is the thing, because you said this, and I'm going to highlight it, it's listening. But the key point is trusting and learning how to trust your intuition is, in my opinion, like the secret sauce to life, because if we, it sends us down some wild path sometimes, like the scariest ones, the riskiest ones, but it's always the ones who, where you're like, yeah, this is it. And it lights you up. And even going back to, like, what you said with, you know, like, if I were to go back and teach five or learn 500 things, like, think about yourself at that time, me too. Like, learning the tarot, it's like, oh my god. Like I was so jazzed to learn that, like, I couldn't wait to, and now it's become a part of you. So there's that integration, but that lighting up like, that is your intuition talking, even though it's probably a little scary too, it's like, that is, it's never gonna steer you down the wrong path. 

Lesley Logan 26:15  

Yeah. But also, like, how, like, you just said, like, it's trusting your intuition. Like, by the way, if, you're unstoppable, if you can trust yourself. And that's like, now, like, I have so many different thoughts and like about like, of course, people don't want us doing that. They because then we don't listen to them. We don't listen to what they think that we should be buying or or believing or doing, you know, because otherwise you are, you're following someone else's path versus the one that's your own. Oh, this is deep, okay, I do want to ask you this. It's been on my heart this whole show, because it's like, it's be it till you see it. And part of that is like acting like the person that you want to be and becoming that person, all that stuff. But along the way, there are some certain people's paths of being until you see it, that could get some interesting eyes. I cannot imagine that you would tell people at a family reunion, I'm becoming a tarot reader, and people don't go, what? Like was it, was your family like, yeah, you do you, babe. Or were people like, are you okay? Are you sure? Like.

Frances Naudé 27:17  

Yeah. So, oh, the things I've had said to me or about me, those are the funniest ones where I'm like, okay, I had friends parents call them, like, is Frances, okay? You know? Because, like, sometimes I would channel live on Instagram, and people would be like, like, has she gone off the deep end? Like, are we good here? I've had a lot of people. The ones that hurt me the most were actually friends, or like people in our friend group, I say, I mean, my husband, it was mostly his friends. So I shouldn't care, because as much as I love anyone of any gender or or no gender, I really don't care what a 25 year old dude thinks about me, but it still hurt. And what it showed me was like, I guess, like my own fears and like my own (, because I had a lot of those specific people be like, honestly, telling me I was ripping people off, like having people pay money for a placebo effect and like that just like, broke my heart because I was like, I, this is life changing. Like, this helps people. And fine, you don't have to be the person that it helps. I'm not going to ever force anyone, but don't, like, bash it till you've tried it, essentially. So those ones really hurt. The Frances, you're crazy. I would just kind of laugh along and be like, yeah, for sure. You know, like, my first disclaimer when I tell people what I do is, I promise I'm normal. Because you tell somebody you're a tarot card reader or you're a Reiki healer and you work within people's energy, they're like, that's not a thing. And I'm like, I understand that it's hard to understand, but it is. But my family, specifically, you know, my mom was always super supportive. She went on a very long, like, religious and spiritual journey throughout her whole life. She and I are pretty aligned on our beliefs. I wasn't raised with this, but it's funny. In retrospect, I look back and I actually think my grandmother, she never really talked about it, but she always had crystals, and was, like, really educated, and love reading books about philosophy and the brain, and so I think now I wish, and I have a great relationship with her, you know, on the other side, and it's, it's lovely, but I do sometimes wish that I could be an adult with her still outside, so I could, like, have these conversations with her. I'm sure some of them would be like, Frances, no, and then some of them would be really interesting. My dad was the funniest one because he he never was not supportive for him. It was more, am I going to be okay financially, like, business-wise, right? Like, am I am I okay? But now he'll kind of ask me questions about little things, or if he has, like, a minor injury or something he'd like, can you give Reiki, and then he'll, like, go tell all of his friends that his knee feels better or something. And, you know, it's and like, even my husband, he's funny too, with it. Like, I know they kind of believe it. They just don't, I know they believe it. They just don't want to admit they believe it. But like, before, when he was still growing in his career, anytime he had an interview or something, he'd be like, can you can you give me Reiki like the night before? And so I know that they feel it and they receive from it, or with tarot, even, like I read my husband's cards every once in a while, or even, you know, it's funny, my tarot cards have told me twice that I was pregnant and they were right both times, you know. So even for our family, and family planning like that has been really cool. So I think the more people receive from it themselves, the more that they understand it. But I definitely get a lot of looks and a lot of words, and I've learned to let it roll off, but it's part of it's part of it. When you do something different. I'm sure you've experienced that, too. 

Lesley Logan 30:59  

Oh, I mean, 100% and I think, like, the interesting thing about what you said is, like, the things that sting are the things that you kind of have a worry of, like, are people going to think this, right? And of course, then that's the criticism that you hear the loudest, even if it was from the people who are the quietest voices in your life. Like, if they were to say, you have nice hair, you probably wouldn't even remember, like, it'd be, you know what I mean, if it was a compliment, because it's like, oh, okay, that's, you know, like, it's not like that you don't listen to them, but they don't act. Their opinion doesn't really mean anything. But when they say the thing that you are like, internally worried that people would think about you, that's where we can get hung up. But it also sounds like, you know, in being it till we see it, and whatever our dream is when we do something that is outside of society's norms of what our career should be, you kind of just have to believe in yourself and like, trust that as people see the results of it, whether it's in what people you're doing with other people or themselves, that they kind of buy in. And you have to, you can't wait for them to you have to do it. You have to keep going and showing them this is what it is, and believing in yourself to make it happen. Yes, no, I have a as a Pilates instructor. I do travel the world, which doesn't make sense, because people literally on a plane, they're like, What are you doing? Like, oh, I'm gonna go to Poland for the weekend. And they're like, to do what? Like, I have to teach. And they're like, teach about like, it's just not gonna make any sense. I'm gonna teach Pilates. And they're like, don't they have Pilates in Poland, I'm like, correct, which is why I'm yes, I I don't know how to explain to you that I have this weird role in the industry, because it doesn't make sense to people, but also, like, it's why we do what we do. It's not because it's weird, but it's because we're so called to do it, and people want to be around that. And so it's just really cool. Thank you for sharing all the different parts of that story, because I do think it can be hard to change the career, to do the thing like, to go from the stable corporate job to like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna change people's energies for a living. Like that can make people go, oh, okay. Are you okay? Are you okay? But we have to, we have to be okay with it is the ultimate thing, because other you can't otherwise, you're not going to make it. You know, I firmly believe that, like neither one of us would be here if we had actually waited for other people to deem us sane. It's a good idea. 

Frances Naudé 33:15  

100% and it's one of those things too. I mean, even going back to everything, you say, be it till you see it, see it. It's like, it's not that you're in the beginning, especially and even now. Like, there's times I'm like, what am I what am I doing? Like, what do I do? Like, what am I doing? Okay, I guess I'm doing like, it's it has been almost a decade, but it's like, it's not that you have the confidence, it's that you trust so deeply that what you're doing is what you're supposed to be doing, that you do it scared anyways, and that builds the confidence, right? It's like, okay, well, yes, that was a good class, or that was a good day, or that was an amazing session, or this person told me for the first time, or they told me that this was the first time they've ever felt seen or understood by anyone. And I'm like, the first time in your sometimes, what, 72 years like, I work with people of all ages that you felt seen like that? It's not for me. It's like, wait, I think I'm I think I'm helping people. I think maybe I can do this. And it's not that I, you know, you go into that that session being like, yes, I'm fantastic. You know, you hope that you you gain that confidence along the way, but it really is about like doing it scared because everyone is gonna problem. Most people will tell you not to, and even the people that are encouraging. You can feel their doubt. You know, you can feel that they're like, I hope this works for you, not you got this. You can do this. So it's like, you have to be that for yourself, right? And I remember too for me, I was like, well, this is either going to happen or it's not. But it's either going to not today, or it's going to not ever, and it is going to happen at some point, but those are the only two options. So I'm either going to choose that it's not or I'm going to keep walking this path, hoping and encouraging myself and showing up for myself and these people and making it happen. And if universe comes in the way and stops me and I fall on my butt. Okay. It wasn't supposed to happen, but I would rather it's kind of like I better to have loved and lost than never to have lost at all and then never to have loved at all. Yeah, right, like I'm rather going to go down this path. Then maybe the reason I not do it because I listen to all of these people and all of these old stories and everything else, like, makes no sense. And this is also what I've learned through channeling. God is literally begging you to just listen to yourself, to just do the thing that's like one of the main sole reasons that are that we choose to, if you believe in this, that you choose to incarnate in human form, is to get to do stuff, spirit, doesn't we I mean, I'm sure it does. I know that it does things, but it doesn't have this vessel. We don't get to be on this amazing, beautiful planet, connecting with other people like we chose to be here, and that was always a driving factor to me, is, like you chose to be here, what are you going to do with this life? Are you really going to waste it doing something that you didn't want to do, you know. 

Lesley Logan 36:24  

And like, you just, what it brought up for me is, like, better to have loved than than and lost and never have loved at all. Better to go down the path. And why do we consider it a failure, right? Unless, instead of like, oh, it actually led you to this. Like, if you hadn't gone to corporate, you wouldn't have been interested in health coaching, because you're like, I hate this. And then with health coaching, you're like, oh, I really like this yoga. And I didn't hear you once say, well, I failed as a yogi, but I really like the philosophy. I didn't hear that at all. I heard you say that led me to this, and this led me to this. And I think it's a way of us reframing, like, what is failure as a instead of like, what is it actually guiding us towards? Everything we do, everything we learn from it, is guiding us to the next thing, and it's giving us the knowledge we need to do whatever we're supposed to be doing, you know, like, so, I mean, I just think that that's just a takeaway from your story is, like, really, truly, how can we, how can we actually just reframe that everything is just part of the path. It's all part of the journey. 

Frances Naudé 37:16  

Stepping stones, and even using that, like, applying that forward, like, if you look back at your life, you like, if people are in a state of feeling stuck or lost or confused, it's like, okay, well, what can I learn like if I look backwards, what are the things like okay this led me to. This led me to. This led me to this. Was I operating from a place of excitement, or was I operating from a place of fear or escapism, trying to get out of something, right? And so it's like, I work with so many people who have regret, and they're like, why didn't I do this? Or I feel so lost, or I don't know. It's like, let's not, you know, bash yourself for any past decisions. Let's learn from them. Exactly as you said, it's like, I literally see it in my mind's eye as stairs like you want to stay on this stair. This isn't the destination. It's up there. So we have to go, and it's going to be hard and we're going to get tired, but, like, really using it as a tool to learn from whatever it is that you've experienced.

Lesley Logan 38:14  

Yeah, oh my god, this conversation has been so fun. I'm just so grateful that we connected. Like, I've I really have wanted to, like, have this as a topic and as more personal, but also, like, I feel like, even though the the topic is tarot, the true actual thing is, like trusting yourself, just like just trusting yourself. And if we can do that, we can, we can be it till we see it on anything. Frances, I could talk to you forever but I want to take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, and work with you. 

Lesley Logan 38:42  

Okay, Frances, where do you hang out? Where can we send people? They're ready to nerd out. They want, they want to understand how to trust themselves. Where they where can they go? 

Frances Naudé 38:52  

So I'm on Instagram and Tiktok and YouTube and all the places it's @FrancesNaude, F-R-A-N-C-E-S-N-A-U-D-E and francesnaude.com is my website. I do sessions for people all over the world remotely, and I also have a small studio space in Orange County, California. So if you are nearby, hit me up and we can meet in person. But yeah, in the in the online space, I do free tarot card readings every Monday on YouTube and share all kinds of stuff on Instagram and trying to get on TikTok. But I'm not gonna lie, I am definitely a millennial, so.

Lesley Logan 39:30  

I see you. I feel you. The girl I just interviewed before this. She's like, I post on there, but don't DM or comment. I won't respond. And I was like, yeah, my team keeps threatening to do it. And I was like, I just can't, like, there's just I can't do it. YouTube and Instagram are enough, and maybe one is a dying breed, and it's I'm okay, but my people are there because they don't want to do it. You know, so I feel you, millennials unite. Okay. You've given us so much already, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Frances Naudé 40:00  

As mentioned, learn how to hear and trust your intuition that is going to be that is going to lead you down the best path in any way, if you're in a challenging situation, if you are feeling inspired do that. And so may I give a brief practice for how to do that, because. 

Lesley Logan 40:02  

I would love one, because there are perfectionists listening and they would like the step by step plan, please.

Frances Naudé 40:25  

Okay, amazing, amazing, amazing. So, yeah, someone telling you, trust your intuition is like someone saying, just be positive, right? It Like It's, it's a great piece of guidance. But how do we do that? So my practice is choose something that you do every single day that's a decision. Okay? So whether it is picking out like, let's say you love a certain flavor of tea, and every morning you like to make your tea, you're going to pick your tea bag, right? They're all the same. What tea bag? What is the tea bag that you're choosing? And then pause once you grabbed it and check in with your body. What does that feel like in your body? You can do this at the grocery store, right? You need, I don't know, five oranges and there's 100 in front of you, right? Which are the five that you're picking? Logic is going to come in a little bit. Maybe that one, the skin is broken, or that one's dirty, or whatever. But between 10 perfect oranges and you're only buying five, when you grab the orange that feels right to you, stop for a second. What does that feel like in your body? What does that feel like in your energy? What does that feel like in your head? Start to practice. I actually practice this with my underwear when I'm choosing my underwear every day, because I know that it's something that I'm going to be doing every single day. What is the underwear? And it's so funny, sometimes I'll touch this black pair and it's not the right one. And so I touch the other black pair. I'm like, yeah, this is the one. There is no I'm like, fathomable reason why the underwear is the right underwear. They're the exact same. But that is my daily practice, because then, when it comes to big decisions, you've already built that muscle. You already know how to use it. You already know how to trust it. Your intuition often will not make logical sense and it will not be loud. People always expect these really big like moments or like the clouds part and the sun shines through. Intuition is really quiet. So step three is, or item number three with that is, it's going to be quiet, but now it's, we have to make space for it. That is the piece to be able to hear it, right? It's, it's so important. So even going back to tarot or meditation or walking outside, or whatever it is, you have to make space to hear your intuition, because, again, building that muscle. When things are loud, you want to already have it built right? It's kind of like. 

Lesley Logan 42:55  

Yeah, I hear you. It's just like it when, when there's so much noise around you, if you aren't attuned to that quiet voice, you're not going to hear it. You have to like, yeah, yeah. That makes so much sense to me. And you are correct. I can think of two times three actually. Now I think three times my life where I heard that intuition, and it is so, so quiet, so quiet. And if you aren't you might could miss it. You can go, what is that? You know?

Frances Naudé 43:23  

And it also feels, I also like to tell people, your intuition often feels like a thought, but how to be able to differentiate it is, you'll be like, either, yes, it'll be very quiet, or you'll be like, where did that come from? Like, why was I thinking that, right? Oh, and I was saying, like, intuition often leads you down the scary path. Yeah, you know that that the because, it has to. It's expanding that comfort zone. It's getting that wider. It's also going to challenge your beliefs, your old stories that were probably not even written by you, and your fears, right? It's expanding you wider. It's getting you out of that comfort zone. And so as you are learning to work with your intuition, I also encourage you to learn you can choose the word that fits for you. I call it your highest self, but this could be your true self. This could be your soul self, whatever the word is for you, the place that exists without ego. And when I say ego, I mean the human brain, so fears, worries, anxieties, etc. And without we talked about this a lot, without the other, so, other people's stories, other people's fears. A lot of us have other people's fears, specifically our family members, going back, sometimes generations. We don't even know we have them. I work a lot with this in Reiki, where they're not ours. It doesn't even apply to us in our in our situation, but we've been conditioned so making sure that you know who that highest self is, that soul self is. I am Frances, and I, you know we're talking in present tense so I live an intuitively aligned life, which means I let joy lead I do not let fear get in my way, and I live in unity with all that's around me, right? And so if I can identify those three pillars to what my soul self is, every decision I make should be aligned with those three things, and then combine it with that intuitive strength, you're just walking that aligned path like no matter what, it's going to be scary, there's going to be challenges. We're still human. But that is truly like, what I've learned through my personal practice, through working with other people, is that key. So, if nothing else, learn how, like, start developing that intuitive muscle, because it is imperative for daily decisions, and also those, those big ones when they come.

Lesley Logan 45:52  

Yeah, oh gosh, so good. You're so good. Frances, thank you so much. I can not only imagine, like, how many people down the road are like, thank God I heard that, because I can now say that you trust yourself, and I think that's one of the biggest gifts we can give people today. So thank you for being here and sharing all this with us. Guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Frances. Tag the Be It Pod, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. I want to know. I definitely want to know what your takeaways are I'm just so grateful for this connection and you guys until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 46:22  

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In this Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley Logan explores why celebrating what you did do—especially when life feels heavy—matters more than chasing the next milestone. Drawing from Your Big Leap Year by Gay Hendricks, listener-submitted wins, and her own experience choosing rest after a demanding tour, she explains how celebration creates dopamine, counters self-criticism, and reinforces autonomy. This episode is a reminder that progress is still progress, even when it looks quiet, slow, or deeply personal.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Happy FYF, oh my gosh, whoa, second one of the new year, I promise I won't count these every because I'll just all forget at some point, I promise. Thank goodness we don't do a perfect run here. It is the Fuck Yeah Friday episode. We are sharing wins of each other's and celebrating that, like, not like some wins, or just that we got to the week right, a little mantra, and something that was inspiring. So it usually what inspires me on the internet, but I've been I figured I'd start the year with, like, things that inspire me, that are in my life, daily with you. So last week I shared something out of a book that I read every day, and this week I'm sharing out of another book that I read every day, and this book is Gay Hendricks' Your Big Leap Year, Your Big Leap Year. And he was episode 400. I love that we had him as episode 400, team, because it's easy for me to remember which number he was. Oh my gosh, that's 227 episodes ago, but it feels like it was just yesterday. That's an episode you have to go back and listen to. 

Lesley Logan 1:43  

Okay, so, on page 202, of his book, he writes the word celebrate comes from the Latin verb celebrar, which has a number of ancient meanings. To celebrate something is to honor it and to sing the praises of it, whatever the meaning of the words, the actual experience of celebration is what really juices up our experience of living. So your big leap for today. That's why I love this, because it's like, okay, you learn something now you get to go take some action on it, pause several times a day to consciously celebrate what you've created in your life. Each dedicate each time, dedicate a full 10 to 15 seconds to celebrate, to full celebration, which inspired by the dancing nuns who found the mushrooms may include dancing. Oh, that reference is something I wasn't going to read to but I'm gonna read to you now. Okay, so mataki mushrooms are known in Japan as the dancing mushroom. According to a Japanese legend, a group of Buddhist nuns and wood cutters met on a mountain trail where they discovered a fruiting of mataki mushrooms emerging from the forest floor, rejoicing that they discovered the delicious mushroom, they danced to celebrate, and that is from the American mycologist and author, Paul Stamets. So that's probably why the nuns were dancing right 10 to 15 seconds of full celebration. So we talk about FYFs every week, because I do know that when we celebrate something that we did do, we are creating some dopamine in the brain. It makes it easier for us to notice that good things are happening. And it really does take a moment to get us out of like, the cynical nature of what the world, the world wants you cynical, down, depressed and like, why does it matter? Why does it matter? Because if you are being it till you see it each and every week, you won't take their shit, you won't, you won't do it, you won't let people push you around. You won't be a people pleaser anymore, and then they can't control you. Okay? So that is why celebrating what you did do is so freaking important to me for you, because I you are not moldable and controllable that way, right? You're not. You're your own person, and you will inspire so many people. You will inspire so many people. So now we got to celebrate your win. So got a couple for you from you, and they are meganjoyilates, she said, of Australia, I did a magic circle class with my friend Mez. Megan, I know at the time that you sent this in, you're going through a massive life situation, and I am just so freaking thrilled that you sent this in and that you got to do that, but for yourself, but also that, like your proof, we've been we've known each other for years, that like even when shit is going on in your life, you can take time to celebrate something that you did do. And I just love that about you. Creative_soul_Pilates wrote, I got out of bed. Boom, boom. There you have it. I'm telling you guys, sometimes it is like we put so much pressure on ourselves, but like some of you, are going through some crazy things in life. You lost someone in your family. You lost a job like, there's so much unknown, and if you got your you got out of bed, dressed and showered like, that is huge. We had a person in agency who lost, you know, two people really quickly in their lives, back to back and and, you know, and I and she'd ask about, like, still hitting her goals. And I was like, oh my gosh, you got out of bed. Like you took a shower today. Like, those are, you know, huge things. We are human beings living in an experience. And it's hard. It's really hard. So I love that you celebrated that. And I think some some other people, that might be the win for today as well. So my win. We are currently on our way. We're back in the car. We were home for two nights I think, and we're on our way to Los Angeles, and we are picking up some rugs that my publicist gave us when she had a massive win in her life and she was moving, and she was like, I don't want these. Do you want these? I'm like, I do want those. And so we're grabbing these rugs, and then we're going to drive down to Huntington Beach and teach at the Pilates Journal Expo. I'm really excited about that. But my, my win is I came home and did a day of just pure like, self-care, self-love. There's a million things I could do. I have, like, I haven't been in my business the way that I normally am for a month, and there are so many things I could say, I could do this, I could do this, I could do this. But the reality is, the win is that my team and I prepped me so well that I could actually be in my business a little bit so that I could just be present, teaching on this tour. So the tour wrapped. I mean, that's a win, but I've been celebrating like that, like the completion of a culmination of something like there were so many wins along the way. So yay, the tour wrapped. And it was so much fun, it was so much fun. I can't wait to tell you guys more about it. But the win is for today is that, like I did not should all over myself about all the things I should do around the house, and I should do this, and I should do that, and you know what I did? I got up, I did Pilates, I did yoga, got my hair done, and I got my nails done, and I went to the gym. I mean, badass. That was my yesterday. That is my win. I did not go, oh, I need, I should do laundry, and I should do this, and I should make, you know, there's so people to water my plants. There's all I paid people to take care of things, and I let them take care of the things. And I am so proud of myself for doing that, and I'm so proud of just like letting myself have a day because my team and I did a great thing, and you got to take time to rest and enjoy it. I'll tell you more about what I'm doing to rest and enjoy the work that we did next week. So stay tuned. 

Lesley Logan 7:18  

Before I let you go, we actually have an affirmation for you. So let's pull it up. I celebrate the good qualities in others and myself. I celebrate the good qualities in others and myself. I celebrate the good qualities in others and myself and my goodness, my love, I hope you really emphasize the myself. You have a lot of good qualities. You have so many. I hope you take the time to reflect on what those are today. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it, maybe send it to them and say, here are the good qualities that you have in you that I've often don't tell you about, but here they are. It really does make people feel really good about themselves. You get random messages like that. You're amazing. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 7:57  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:39  

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Lesley Logan 8:44  

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Brad Crowell 8:49  

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Lesley Logan 8:56  

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Brad Crowell 8:59  

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In this interview recap, Lesley and Brad explore June Suepunpuck’s insights on joy, identity, and the courage it takes to pause and reassess the life you’re living. They reflect on career versus calling, destination addiction, and the role grief plays in meaningful transformation. This episode is a reminder that sustainable joy grows from self-awareness—and the willingness to be honest with yourself.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

You learn from what you did, and you do better the next time. And we have to allow for that, and we can't be so afraid of people who could take advantage on either side that we don't do anything at all. 

Lesley Logan 0:11  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:50  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the delightful convo I had with June Suepunpuck in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now go back and listen to that one. Brad was obsessed with it. He interrupted my work three times a day to tell me how much he appreciated it. So you should go listen to it and then come back and join us, or keep listening and then go listen to that one. 

Lesley Logan 1:15  

Today is January 8th 2026, and it's War on Poverty Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:20  

War on Poverty Day. 

Lesley Logan 1:21  

Okay, ready for it. Annually, on January 8th, we reflect on the impact of the legislation first introduced in 1964 by President Lyndon B. Johnson that collectively expanded economic opportunity through anti poverty, health, education, employment policies. I mean, we can't cosign on this more, I think. Lyndon B. Johnson's War on Poverty was primarily established by the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964.

Brad Crowell 1:46  

This is a this is a bit nerdy here, but there's a reason to give a little (inaudible). So the EOA.

Lesley Logan 1:51  

We're gonna rant in a second with some of you like that. But we got to get you on the same page with us. So created the Office of the EO,

Brad Crowell 1:59  

the Office of Economic Opportunity. So the EOA was the Act created the OEO. So the Office of Economic Opportunity. 

Lesley Logan 2:07  

I guess I thought it was in a office of, like, OEC, but anyways, I don't know what I'm talking about. So I could never work in government, because I get confused with the letters real quick. So Office of Economic Opportunity, OEO, that's like a song, oh, e, o, oh. Anyways, to oversee new programs, I did not take my focus meds today. Key initiatives include the job corpse head. Key initiatives included the Job Corps, Head Start and community action programs, along with funding for vocational training, college work study and local development. Subsequent legislation and programs expanded on this foundation, including the permanent Food Stamp Act of 1964 and the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.

Brad Crowell 2:31  

Yeah, so it's possible that you might have heard of the Job Corps. You probably heard of Head Start. You may or may not have heard of community action programs, but you've definitely heard of food stamps, and you've definitely heard of Medicare and Medicaid, right? So all of these came out of LBJ's, War on Poverty program, which included the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 and.

Lesley Logan 3:08  

And if you have, if you're not, if you never had experienced like food stamps or Medicare or Medicaid, right? Medicaid is for the babies and Medicare is when you're older, if I'm correct, if you haven't ever had experienced that it might be really easy to not know how people are served by that, how much they're served by it, like, how do they get that? And so if you have any reasons to go, I can't believe they're paying this much on food stamps, I highly educate would educate yourself on how hard people have to work to get these things.

Brad Crowell 3:33  

Well, we're talking about, we're talking about poverty here. Right? And so, you know, the reality is that it's a it's, it's actually really, really challenging to get out of poverty. Right, 10% of our country currently 11, it's moving up to like 11% or something, is in the place where we would consider them in poverty.

Lesley Logan 3:51  

Yeah. And if you want to know what that is, I think the US government considers you in poverty if you make under $20,000 as an individual, which, by the way, is $0 like that. How I don't even know where you're living, that you can afford the food at the grocery store and gas and any part of life. So you know, if you are in that place, a lot of people are working full time jobs ending poverty. 

Brad Crowell 4:15  

For a family of four in in the United States in 2025 the Federal Poverty Level is an annual income of $32,150 or less. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

How do you feed how do you feed four mouths on that amount of money? 

Brad Crowell 4:24  

For the whole year. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Yeah, I don't even understand that. 

Brad Crowell 4:24  

Like that's enough for the food. What about. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Well. And then we, and then there's these people have the nerve to tell those people, well, they should just eat healthier. How are you affording lettuce and eggs on that amount of money? And then also. 

Brad Crowell 4:40  

You're able to afford a fast food meal because it's $1. 

Lesley Logan 4:43  

Because it's $1. 

Brad Crowell 4:44  

And that's why it's crap.

Lesley Logan 4:45  

Yeah, so let me just finish our notes, and then we can (inaudible). One definition of poverty is not have enough resources for your basic needs, and it's a huge impact on people's lives in society. It's a huge impact on society. People think all the time like, oh, I don't want to pay for immigrants to have health care. Well, you don't, but you certainly pay when they go to county, when you go to them, they go the hospital, you pay. So, like, we have, we, I actually don't think a country can be rich if you have all.

Brad Crowell 5:09  

Let's just make a distinction there. We're not paying for, we're not paying for immigrants to have health care, in the sense of, like, are they on insurance going to the doctor. If they go to the emergency room, yes, right, if they go to jail, yeah, we're paying for that, too. 

Lesley Logan 5:25  

And by the way, if you were traveling a different country that happens to have healthcare for all of their people, you also don't pay like my friend, yeah, as a visitor, my friend had an emergency surgery. They fell in the Netherlands in a race, and they did this crazy surgery that would have costed her so much money, no bill. Anyways, that's another day, another day's holiday. So recent studies show that suggests that the poorest states have a poverty rate of up to 18%. I think we can guess what states those are. Poverty can happen to anyone. This is very important. Poverty can happen to anyone, whether it's students who rely on scholarships to claim their right to education, seniors struggling with rising health care costs, or large families struggling to get food on the table. Poverty is a problem that over 40 million Americans are fighting against on a daily basis, and we'll just say as of 2024 we were down to 10.6% from 19% of our country beneath the poverty line in 1964.

Brad Crowell 6:18  

Yeah, so in 1964 so effectively, like, if you go back and look at the 30s, where there was the Great Depression, they did all of these government programs to help the country, because everything was in the toilet, right? Well, 30 years later, in the 60s, there was a 19% poverty rate, and it was a problem. And so how could they address these problems? They they put into like, that's how LBJ ran on the war on poverty, and he started to implement these things to support the country, right? And it's taken a long time for us to get down to 10% poverty, 10 and a half percent, yeah, you know. And that was what was happening as of last year. And now things are shifting in the wrong direction. 

Lesley Logan 6:57  

Yeah. And there. And also, by the way, we were, we were recording this before the Thanksgiving holiday. And so what we do know is, on January 1st, everyone's healthcare bills are going up. Ours, we are very lucky that ours only went up 3000 for the year, for the two of us.

Brad Crowell 7:09  

Yeah, it's, well, it's 25%. Ours went up 25%.

Lesley Logan 7:12  

Yeah, that is insanity. That is insanity. And can we afford it? Sure, we're just gonna invest less in our retirement, I guess. Like, you know, it's not like, it's that money just doesn't come from somewhere. And what I also know is that there are people in certain states that theirs is going up 48%, and some people are making $85,000 a year. Their health insurance is going to cost $44,000 a year. So we're going to see poverty go up. And if we don't start thinking about it as a way that, like, I think that a lot of people think about people taking like they get these things, and they're taking from the government, and that's coming from your tax dollars. But if we don't help people get ahead, they will always be taking in different ways, right? And so your crime will go up. Why? Because people have to sleep and eat and be warm like they just have to. So we have to think of it as a holistic thing. And I really think that I love what LBJ did, and I love that we're honoring this. And I think like we could be doing so much better by now. I feel like if LBJ was alive, I would hope he'd be disappointed that we don't actually have preschool for every child in the US for free, like Head Start in Vegas, my nail tech, it's a lottery. So some of her kids got Head Start, and some of her kids didn't. And she's like, Lesley, I can tell you a difference in my children my kids can read levels above where their greatest and some of them are behind and and she's like, I can't, I can't teach them that that's not something I didn't teach them, that they learned that at school when they got to earlier. So I just think that we could be doing a better job, and especially, like, we should be thinking about people who'd have less than us and not, how do we give them more? Like, yes, any more money, but how do we actually set them up so that they can do other things? They need trainings, they need childcare. They need it to be they need busses to be free, you know, like, there's just different things we can do. So anyways.

Brad Crowell 8:58  

Yeah, it's that this is this is a tough thing, you know, like, if you look at the I'm not going to keep going, because I could keep going on. But this, this is definitely a challenging thing. I'm, you know, I'm glad that we have attempted to address it over the years. I don't admit, I don't, I can't, I can't convincingly say that we've done an amazing job of the process of doing it, you know, like, but I, but I think the intention is the right intention, and we should be always looking for ways to make it better. 

Lesley Logan 9:22  

And also, I think, you know, that's exactly the right line, like we're just always looking for ways to make it better, you're going to have people who are going to have nefarious acts that they're using the money for or not doing it correctly. You cannot always be thinking only about those people, because they're always a small percentage. You have to be thinking about the greater good. And then when you figure out how people are usurping the system or doing different things. Okay, you make changes.

Brad Crowell 9:43  

Well, let's, let's talk about this like I think this is important, because there's always going to be someone taking advantage of the system. But I think even defining it as a percentage seems misleading, because I would imagine the numbers are minutes. We're talking 40 million people in the United States are considered poverty line or below. 40 million people. So even if 10,000 people are taking advantage of it, that sounds like a lot of people, but the percentage is microscopic compared to 40 million.

Lesley Logan 10:05  

Correct. And also, I wasn't even thinking about the people like this is, right, I think people are thinking about the people on food stamps or whatever, like the Reagan years of all that disgusting rhetoric, but I was actually thinking about, like, the companies that are pretending to help people, to get the government money to do these things, I was actually thinking about like, you know, there are people who can say, Oh, I'm going to do these things with this program and get that money, but I think you just you, you learn from what you did, and you do better the next time. And we have to allow for that, and we can't be so afraid of people who could take advantage on either side that we don't do anything at all? 

Brad Crowell 10:43  

Yeah. Okay, well, hey, thanks for joining us on that journey. That was a journey, that was a history lesson. 

Lesley Logan 10:48  

I just get really upset about this. I was poor. I was so poor, you know. And I was, I guess I was lucky that my parents weren't on any of these stamps, whatever, because they had family to help. But, like, this is how my life started, so I can't even imagine, was, like, if they didn't have that help.

Brad Crowell 11:02  

Yeah, yeah. Well, I appreciate your passion, and I think it's important. I love it. I really do. I mean. 

Lesley Logan 11:09  

Well, I mean, like, I would, I would not have gone to college had my best friend's parents not cosign a student loan. You know, like, I happen to have those people, and that's why I get to be where I am today. So I'm, I think that, like, I think a lot of people don't realize how close they were growing up, or people in their lives were to being poor, like impoverished. So, January, hi.

Brad Crowell 11:30  

Let's talk about upcoming events. We're shifting gears. 

Lesley Logan 11:33  

We're home, today we're home. 

Brad Crowell 11:34  

It's January. Today is the eighth we just we are pulling in from tour tonight. 

Lesley Logan 11:39  

We are fixing the roots, changing the nails. Well, they're my nails, but they're getting new they're getting an update.

Brad Crowell 11:45  

Yeah. And then tomorrow. 

Lesley Logan 11:45  

We drive down to Huntington Beach. 

Brad Crowell 11:45  

We hit the road again. 

Lesley Logan 11:46  

We're leaving Bayon, we're leaving Bayon, and we're we're driving to Huntington Beach for the Pilates Journal Expo. You can go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. I don't know why I stuttered there, but I thought I said them. That's completely wrong. xxll.co/pilatesjournal. So if there's any spots left, you should totally join us there. There's like, the lineup is insane. 

Brad Crowell 12:08  

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. 

Lesley Logan 12:09  

The lineup's insane. Then, oh, you know what? We'll tell you this, but I'm pretty sure tomorrow it releases. So you want to get on the waitlist for next year's Cambodia retreat, because.

Brad Crowell 12:20  

No, this year's. 

Lesley Logan 12:21  

This year's, oh, it's this year. Well, you need to change that copy, my friend. You want to get on the waitlist for this year's Cambodia retreat details. We'll be having early bird presale right now. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, it starts tomorrow, but only for those on the waitlist, crowsnestretreats.com is where you go. 

Brad Crowell 12:40  

I thought it was the 12th, but it could be the ninth. 

Lesley Logan 12:43  

I think it's the ninth. 

Brad Crowell 12:44  

Anyway, get on the waitlist, crowsnestretreats.com you'll find the waitlist there. 

Lesley Logan 12:46  

This is what happens when we're recording early. Okay, then next month we have Agency Mini. It'll be happening this year's February, and you want to get on the waitlist for that, for it prfit.biz/mini who is it for? It is for the teachers, Pilates teachers and studio owners who work for themselves or want to, and they want to have ease in their business, without the overwhelm, and they actually want to be in control of things and not feel like they're always like reacting, because that's annoying in the business. So pfit.biz/mini we only are doing Mini, I don't know, maybe twice this year, but for sure, one. 

Brad Crowell 13:17  

The plan, the plan is two times in 2026. 

Lesley Logan 13:19  

Okay, great. Well, you don't want to miss this one. You'll go, oh, I'll do the next one because that could be, that could be the fall. I don't even know what it's going to be. Oh, it's going to be the fall. We could find out on the flight.

Brad Crowell 13:26  

Yeah, end of Q3 beginning of Q4. 

Lesley Logan 13:30  

And then. 

Brad Crowell 13:30  

So, but the point is this, why wait another six months? It's, we're talking it's early it's going to be early bird. 

Lesley Logan 13:38  

By the way, it's only $25 when it's early bird, and it's $65 full price. If what we teach you makes you an extra. 

Brad Crowell 13:43  

$25 

Lesley Logan 13:46  

Over six months. No, I was gonna say, do the math like, okay, six months is what? 26 weeks? 26 weeks, right? 24 weeks this I'm not a mathematician, so 24. Let's say, let's just say, all we do is make you an extra $100 a week. That's $2,400 you're fucking welcome, for 25 bucks go to prfit.biz/mini then in March, Brad and I are taking off to Europe for a month. I'm teaching the Poland Controlology Pilates conference with Karen Frischmann, xxll.co/poland and then the next week, where Karen and I are in Brussels. Brad's joining us along for the ride. xxll.co/brussels we're super excited about both events are selling really fast. I think our sessions are very much taken in Brussels, but there might be some spots left in Poland and then, okay, we've been saying, like, I don't know if we can announce it yet. I don't know. Well, here's what I do know. As of December 2nd, it was official to announce that we were going to be in London. So it's a few can now buy your ticket. And I don't know if the early bird is happening still or not, because I don't know anything, but I do know we'll be there. And I have workshops, I have a booth, you going to want to go to xxll.co/pot, so go there. Okay. 

Brad Crowell 15:00  

Awesome. 

Lesley Logan 15:00  

We have an audience question. I promise not to take too long.

Brad Crowell 15:02  

We sure do. Yeah. Instagram, (inaudible) reached out asking if OPC has a certificate of training online, and she said she wants it to be a Pilates instructor, mostly for knowledge. So she's not trying to be a teacher. She wants it as a practitioner to know specifically for herself. Do we have any recommendations? 

Lesley Logan 15:24  

Well, I love this question, because I always want to do this with Anthony for yoga, like I always wanted him to teach a yoga training, but just for people who just wanted to learn it better and not be a teacher, because almost every teacher training that I've ever heard of in life is going to teach you how to teach it. And so what I would say is I don't know of a program that does that, especially online, that's going to be solid that I know about. I know that the Pilates Center out of Boulder does have online trainings, but again, they're going to train you to teach it, and there's going to be requirements for you to teach it. So what I would probably also just encourage you to do, because this is something that I realized now that we've trained with Anthony for over 10 years, is that the more you just do classical Pilates with us at OPC, you will become more educated and knowledgeable about the practice, especially for your body. So what I would actually suggest, and I know this sounds like a shameless plug, but seriously. Now at OPC, we follow Joseph Pilates' orders on all the pieces of equipment. And yes, there's other equipment that we don't talk about in OPC classes, but you can always ask us about them. And you can take advantage of the FFF and submit videos of you doing exercises, and I will give you specialized feedback for your practice so you're more knowledge about your body. You can come to the live class every month, and ask questions for your practice, and I will answer that for your body, and you can get the flash cards. So you do those things.

Brad Crowell 16:46  

So do, do we have a certificate of training online? No, but I don't know that you need one the tools that we've created will will support you in your goal, yeah, which you know we're assuming is to further your personal practice. 

Lesley Logan 17:01  

And if you're like, I don't want to pay you a dime, LL, great. Our YouTube videos are free. Go have fun. You can do it between the flash cards and the YouTube videos. You can really understand it for your practice. You don't need to pay thousands of dollars for training where you only want half of the information. That's what I would do. If you would like to ask me a question. You can go to 310-905-5534, you can text us, call us, or you can go to beitpod.com/questions and send one in. 

Brad Crowell 17:24  

Love it. 

Lesley Logan 17:25  

And you can send your win in because I really love seeing those. All right. 

Brad Crowell 17:29  

Stick around. We'll be right back.

Brad Crowell 17:31  

All right, now, let's talk about June Suepunpuck. Okay, June is a joy guide. She's a speaker, and she's the host of the How to Find Joy Podcast. She helps high achieving, heart-led leaders who have reached the top and still find themselves asking, is this it? Or what's the point? With a background in psychology and tools like human design and nervous system healing, June guides people through the process of reassessing their goals, addressing destination addiction of finding fulfillment in daily life rather than in the next achievement. This conversation lit me on fire because I, I'm I'm telling you, we've had a handful of other guests that talked about joy, and we had the doctor who was doing the research on it, and I was, like, really intrigued by that, but I don't know this. I really connected with the way that she talked and spoke and the things that she dug into. So I'm very excited to discuss this. So tell me what you loved about this convo.

Lesley Logan 18:33  

Okay, so we, I mean, there's so many different things, but like, I really love that she found a way to articulate the difference between, like, a career versus a calling. And that, like, you know, once you figure out what your calling is, it becomes, oh, it becomes really clear, like, this is the point. She said, like, this is the point, why we do it. I also love that she emphasize differentiate, differentiating between career versus calling, because it's, like, the important, because it's a why behind the dream, and it will determine if the result, the resulting fulfillment, will be fleeting or sustainable. So because if you're not clear on the dream, then it's really easy for us to, like, have an achievement, and then literally, three minutes later, go on to something else and a whole other feeling, like we've all done that, right? We're like, have this amazing high. And then you need a text message like, oh, fuck, right. And then, like, the high is gone. Where'd the high go? It's just totally gone. So, you have to have that clarity. Because I will say, like, I feel like I'm very much doing my calling. And the more I get clear on, like, not just what we what I know, I've always known what we're doing and why we're doing it, but the more you work on it, the more you're like, oh, I can make this better. Oh, we this could be the next thing that we do. And even on the hardest days you feel fulfilled, is more sustainable than like, going with the highs and lows of the business, like, I can have a good day only when the business has a good day. 

Brad Crowell 19:52  

Yeah, I think, I think, like to clarify the career versus the calling thing. You know, it's put it into context, I think. She specifically meant. Mentioned her the influence of her parents on her college direction, you know, which is very typical for a first generation American, right? Her parents emigrated here. She was born here, and then what did they tell her, you got to be a doctor, basically, right? 

Lesley Logan 20:17  

I know I had friends whose parents like, you can do whatever you want. I'm like, what? I'm not a first generation American. I was the first person to go to college like you figure out a degree that pays this bill back. That's what you have to do. 

Brad Crowell 20:28  

Well, the the so for her, she, you know, it's like, now, go pursue your goals is what she said. And I listened to that part twice because I thought this is really interesting, you know, because she started saying, well, are these actually my goals? I don't know that these are my goals. I don't know. Am I excited about this at all? Right? This is going to put me on a career path that's going to make me probably the money that, you know, my parents want me to have, which is great, or the whatever that my parents want to have, awesome. But you know, is this my calling? And the answer is most likely no. So career versus calling in that sense, right? And she said, why are we doing the career? What is it about it? Right? We're, we're been told, Well, that's going to get you the financial independence, the house, the car, the money, the whatever, you know. And then, because you're in a parent child relationship, you know, how are you supposed to say, No, that's tough, right?

Lesley Logan 21:20  

Yeah, oh, I don't think, I don't even know that you she had the opportunity to you just, you don't have the life experience to know you can.

Brad Crowell 21:27  

Yeah, sure, and, you know, and then and then, and then, and then, what happens? Then, like, you know, you have your midlife crisis, and you're like, I hate everything about what I'm doing, you know, because once you've gotten the money, once you've had the time in the career. Does it make you happy? Probably not. Probably not. So now you're disenchanted, because you're like, Well, what the hell I thought that when I got here, it was going to be different. I was going to feel happy and fulfilled and better and ready to go, and I'm not. I don't feel that at all. So now, why am I doing it? And that's when people blow up their lives. And I really appreciate it when you and her were both talking about this moment where kaboom, right, quit everything, all of it, or it fell apart around you, you know, like in your case, it started with one decision you made, and then all these other things happening on top of it.

Lesley Logan 22:13  

Yeah, I like detonated something, and then like that detonated a lot of things. 

Brad Crowell 22:13  

Yeah. So, you know, and I appreciated you sharing your story then, because I thought that was really, really awesome. But you know, the differentiating between the career versus the calling is important because of the why behind the dream and really knowing the dream. How do you know your dream? You need to know yourself, right? And that's, that's really tough.

Lesley Logan 22:39  

Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's where people are really struggling, is, like, getting to know themselves. I don't think, like, I think that a lot of people have been being, especially women who listen this podcast, right? Like, like, they have been trying to be the perfect daughter, perfect wife, perfect sister, perfect employee. Like, don't take up too much space. And like, now they're, they're 40s plus, and they're like, I'm fucking tired of that. But then it's like, okay, what? Okay, then, who am I? Right, right? Yeah, you know. So it's not, it's not the easiest thing, but I think it's the most essential thing to figure out.

Brad Crowell 23:12  

Yeah, yeah. 100% and, and, you know, so, and then there's a couple of other paths here, right? If you've hit that point of, like, I hate what I'm doing, you know, and you make a change, you know, there's, it's terrifying, it's scary. There's all these things. And that's when I, when I was really, you know, intrigued, because she said, yes, I coach people on finding joy. But I'm actually also like, a grief coach too, because when you make a change, there is grieving that happens. It just does, like, there's no way around it, right? And so what I really liked, when she was talking about this, she said, you can't it's kind of like what Anthony said, you can't have, you know, war without peace. You can't have light without dark. You can't have good without bad, right? You can't have these things. You need that polarity and joy was, was reiterating that. She said experiencing deep grief is actually necessary, because you wouldn't have understood how joyful you can be if you haven't personally experienced those dark places. I mean, I personally connected with this in my with my journey, with my story, where my, you know, I thought I was happy with my my old relationship, everything went to ship, and then I was incredibly set right, and now I have this marker in my life where I'm like, I am so much in a different place from where I was after that. And I can, I can measure against that and go barometer of in the shit versus not even close to that anymore. I am very happy today with who I am now because I had that negative experience, so.

Lesley Logan 24:52  

Yeah, I do think like and I think, I think it's really easy when you're in the grieving part to just go, Well, this is all happening for a reason. Correct it is. It doesn't mean you don't, you skip the part where you feel it, you know, like, and I also think it's really easy for us to want for others to not feel those things. We're like, trying to help people out in our lives from like, we try to make sure they don't make the same mistake as us. And so then we end up telling them things that make them just like, doubt what they're doing, and it's so important that, like, I remember one of the coaches we had said you can't take someone's rock bottom away, and I think that, like, you've got to be there for people when they hit it, but you kind of got to let people experience it, otherwise they're going to hit it again.

Brad Crowell 25:34  

Yeah, but I think there's a second step here, and I think I agree with you 100% and I think it's important for you can't take away someone's rock bottom, no, because otherwise you're just enabling them. And they're gonna they're never gonna change or learn or transform. But there's a second part of transformation after you hit the rock bottom, you have to address the grief.

Lesley Logan 25:54  

That you will that goes back to what June was saying. You have to. A lot of people, don't, I think they just like, want to skip over to the feeling good part.

Brad Crowell 26:01  

Right. And, and addressing the grief is where the self-reflection happens, the the analysis of, where were you and that you know, where were you before the shit? How did you get into the shit? Like, how do we not want to be in the shit, and now that we're now, how do we get out of it, right? And, and there's a lot of, that's right.

Lesley Logan 26:01  

Who do we need to see or who are you going to ask for help or. 

Brad Crowell 26:24  

Self-reflection. 

Lesley Logan 26:25  

Yeah, I will. There you go. That goes back to the same other thing as, like, people don't know themselves. This helps with that, because you, you, well, it's inside you, but you can't always articulate it, like, sometimes it comes out better in a journal.

Brad Crowell 26:40  

Yeah, sure. I mean, there's a lot of different methods to to get it out of your head, get it out of your you know, subconcsious. 

Lesley Logan 26:45  

There was that one guy who tries to grab a journal, but close your eyes and just write what was coming up with your eyes closed. 

Lesley Logan 26:50  

Oh, that's interesting. 

Lesley Logan 26:51  

It was like David, somebody on the pod, like David Grove Gore Groban. Starts with a G. It was in the last 100 episodes.

Brad Crowell 26:51  

It's in the last 100 episodes.

Lesley Logan 26:51  

But I liked it. I like the idea of that, like there's different ways to do self-reflection. And when you self reflect, it allows you to know yourself, which allows you. 

Brad Crowell 27:08  

Corbin. 

Lesley Logan 27:09  

Corbin, not Groban, okay. So you can the more you know yourself, the more you're gonna understand, not just like your calling, but also how you experience joy and grief. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 27:22  

Yeah, awesome. Well, anyway, I, I, I would suggest going back and watching this episode again or listening to this episode again. Really, really awesome. 

Lesley Logan 27:30  

She's so authentic. I really enjoyed her. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 27:33  

Yeah, and also very willing to be transparent. That's great. 

Lesley Logan 27:37  

Yeah I was like, whoa. So, like, I so appreciate her transparency, because usually people come on and they like, be her like, they, like, they, they, for lack of better word, like, like, they whitewash the experience. Like I was here and now I'm here, and it's like, okay, but hold on, how do we get here? And they like, are so good at like, going around it? And she's like, nope, this is the it. This is how it was. And I, I really enjoyed that.

Brad Crowell 27:58  

Yeah. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we have some great be it action items from June. 

Brad Crowell 28:05  

Welcome back, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items that we got from your conversation with June. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from that convo? She suggested journaling, but she gave some very specific journaling tips, which we love here. 

Lesley Logan 28:25  

She's a fan of the show, so she knows the rules. 

Brad Crowell 28:27  

Although, yeah, yeah, absolutely, although, ironically, she was, she was myth-busting the perfectionism. I was really interested in listening to her first season of her podcast because she was trying to, like, break down the steps of how to be joyful. And in season two, she's basically already decided there's no one way to do it. And this entire way that I thought that I was creating in season one, I don't think I agree with myself anymore, and I was laughing about that. So sorry, perfectionist, but this, I thought, was a very actionable tip. She said, identify one good thing about today. One good thing about today. It's not a gratitude journal. This is she because she believes that gratitude is very hard to reach when you're struggling. So you're just identifying one good thing about today. You're focusing on only the one good thing, such as, I woke up tonight, or I woke up today. You know, provides a vital step on the path towards joy, even when deeper feelings of appreciation or joy feel very out of reach. So thought that was a great simple like just baby step kind of a thing to to support, especially if you're looking at everything as scary or frustrating. So, yeah. What about you?

Lesley Logan 29:36  

Okay. This is huge. I think this is amazing. Ready? Stop lying to yourself. That's what she says. Be It Action Item. We've never had anyone say this. And I was like, yeah, actually, that's probably the best way to be it until you see it. Stop lying to yourself. Where are you lying to yourself in your life? You need to get honest. You must figure this out. And she said, actively question the life you are currently living by asking, are you living this life that is your dream? Is it expired? Does it still even bring you joy? And so there's ways to find yourself and discover this new version of yourself that can support by reaching you can get support by reaching out to her and get support and go to therapy. But I love this, like, where am I living? Is this the life that I wanted to live? Is it the life that I wanted to live while did it expire? Did I did I move on from a new life to a new life? Does it even bring me joy? We only get this one life, you know, that's what we know.

Brad Crowell 30:29  

I remember this made me think back to my childhood dream, where they're like, what do you want to be when you grow up? You know, and everyone's like an astronaut, firefighter.

Lesley Logan 30:38  

My sister said, an adult. 

Brad Crowell 30:39  

Brilliant. I told everyone I was going to be a professional soccer player, and I was preaching that since I was, like, six years old and. 

Lesley Logan 30:48  

You mean, you could have done it, babe. 

Brad Crowell 30:49  

I could have done it, except that when I got into high school and I was 75 pounds, it was pretty tough for me to be able to muscle people off the ball. So it became pretty, pretty quick that physically, it was gonna be really challenging for me to be able to compete. 

Lesley Logan 31:04  

But look at you now. 

Brad Crowell 31:05  

Look at me now. 

Lesley Logan 31:06  

You, maybe you're, maybe you're a late bloomer.

Brad Crowell 31:09  

Pro soccer. Here I come, 43 I got this. 

Lesley Logan 31:12  

Require you to be so consistent. 

Brad Crowell 31:15  

But I, but I, yeah, which, which you know that's, well, that's my MO, consistency, but, but here's the here's the reality is that I also wasn't really enjoying it in my teens as much anymore. When I was a kid, all I wanted to do was soccer. I loved it. I went out, I juggled, I did the backyard thing, all that stuff. I was excited about it. But when I got in my teens, I was not as excited, not as enthusiastic. I was doing it because I thought I had to. So, you know, it was interesting to shift. Same thing happened with my music career, where I was like, I define myself as a musician. This is the only thing I actually ever want to do with my life. And then years later, I was like, well, I kind of want to do other things too. You know, is this really giving me the joy? And there are definitely pieces of the music element that I missed, don't get me wrong, for sure, but also too, I'm so grateful that I was willing to redefine who I am, how I am, because it really wasn't bringing me the joy that I thought it was and or that it initially did. So yeah, yeah, stop lying to yourself. Very, very tough. 

Lesley Logan 32:14  

I love it. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 32:15  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 32:16  

Thanks so much for listening to this, you know, our rants, to our favorite takeaways, to our episodes. Who are you going to share this episode with? I would certainly share June's first and then this one. And because your friends need to hear it, they need to hear these Be It Action Items. They need to hear these things and it allows us to have not just friendships where we cheer each other on, but friendships we can hold each other accountable. So we can be it till we see it together. So you know what to do, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 32:46  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 32:42  

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Brad Crowell 33:24  

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Lesley Logan 33:41  

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In this FYF episode, Lesley Logan opens the new year by honoring beginnings without forcing reinvention. Inspired by Journey to the Heart, she explores how reflection, intentional letting go, and curiosity can shape a more grounded start. Through listener wins, her own tour reflections, and a powerful mantra, this episode offers a calm, empowering way to step into the year ahead—without erasing who you already are.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Honoring beginnings without turning them into pressure.
• Choosing updates and upgrades instead of New Year reinvention.
• Letting go of what no longer belongs in this next chapter.
• Staying present and enjoying the journey while on tour.

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• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Book: Journey to the Heart by Melody Beattie - https://a.co/d/75bOwAZ
• Book: Your Big Leap Year by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/7KY1pfk
• Episode 589: Brad Bizjack - https://beitpod.com/ep589
• Mantra - https://www.instagram.com/miche_427

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hi, Be It babe. Oh my God, it is the first, it's the first FYF of a new year. So, happy fucking new year. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. Oh my gosh, if you had to, like, actually go to work. I hope you get the longest weekend. Because, like, why would you have to go in today? Okay, so if you are new to our podcast and you're dropping on today, this is the short, sweet and off the cuff episode where I celebrate wins of yours a win of mine. So we can see that, like, wins exist all the time. Actually have something for you guys next week where I'm sharing something that is really like, is really like the be it till you see it and why, well, celebrating is so important. And a little inspiration, a little mantra, okay? So I wanted to take the inspiration on day one of this book, Journey to the Heart from Melody Beattie, that I really love. It's like one of those, like daily meditation books. I have three of these. And because I'm I'm recovering over achiever, and I read three daily, you know, we're getting there. I actually will say one of them I'm almost done with, and I don't need to reread it, or two of, like this one I reread every year. So because I miss some days and you gotta, so I'll just explain, if you because you're not watching. So it's one of those things, like on January one, there's one to read January two, blah, blah, blah. And she even has one, one that's a leap year, so it's pretty cool. And I have Gay Hendricks' book Your Big Leap Year, which I love, because I love reading his book every single year. And this one feels like I'm reading his book all year long, and that's really fun. And then I have this other one that's cute and it's sweet, and it's like, sometimes it just hits the wrong way. So I'm finishing it and I'm giving it away, because I think it'll be good for somebody else. Just doesn't hit me, right, well, so I'll have two and then I'm, you've heard like I went as I have a hobby, you know? And one of my hobbies is like pulling a daily card and percolating on it on my walk, which I'm that's like the hobby that I'm going to start in this new year, once I'm home, I'm not home yet, so can't do that. 

Lesley Logan 2:40  

So January one, this is what she said, and I wanted to share with you. Honor the beginning. Beginnings can be delicate or explosive. They can start almost invisibly or arrive with a big bang. Beginnings hold the promise of new lessons to be learned, new territory to be explored, and old lessons to be recalled, practiced and appreciated. Beginnings hold ambiguity, promise, fear and hope. Don't let the lessons, the experience of the past, dampen your enthusiasm for beginnings. Just because it's been hard doesn't mean it will always be that difficult. Don't let the heart breaks of the past cause you to be cynical, close you up to life's magic and promise. Open yourself wide to all the universe has to say. Let yourself begin anew. Pack your bags. Choose carefully what you bring, because packing is an important ritual. Take along some humility of the lessons of the past. Toss in some curiosity and excitement about what you haven't yet learned. Say your goodbyes to those who are you're leaving behind. Don't worry who you will meet or where you will go. The way has been prepared. The people you are to meet will be expecting you. A new journey has begun. Let it be magical. Let it unfold. All parts of the journey are sacred and holy. Take time now to honor the beginning. So that is for January one. If you get the book, you can read January two. Anyways, I make nothing off of it. I love this book, Journey to the Heart. So I like to start this episode off each week with like something that inspired me. Sometimes it inspires me in like a fiery way, and sometimes it inspires me in like a way worth reflecting. And it's really easy for us as we begin this new year to kind of bring in last year's stuff, right? And I actually don't believe in New year, new you. I actually believe in updates and upgrades and and I also actually don't even believe that it starts on the first year. You can start at any time. I mean, like, my cell phone has a new update all the time, and it's like, okay, it's a new year for that cell phone. It's a new cycle. So whether or not you're coming to this year with excitement and joy, of like, what could become or fear because of what could continue. I do think it's important to recognize beginnings, and I do think it's good to reflect about what we are unpacking, like, what aren't we taking from last year into this year? That doesn't mean you're a new person, it just means you no longer have that thing. And maybe that is a physical clean out of something you own, or maybe it's a mental letting go, cutting the cord. But I do hope that you take some time for that, and I think that's what's so fun about these FYFs. It's like each week can be one thing that we let go of, or add to, and that isn't overwhelming, right? It's not so overwhelming. So that's something for you to think about. 

Lesley Logan 5:25  

Wins. I've got some wins that were sent in. All right. shannanlikestomove wrote in she wrote, "Big maintenance event on both reformers. Old grease boogers gone. New grease in!" I love it. Isn't that so fun, you guys? A win can just be that you cleaned your reformer because, oh my God, doesn't that take up so much space? on_point_pilates_studio wrote, "Got in the hot sauna today! Self-care for the win" Yeah. I mean, there's so many different things you could have been doing right? On_point, you could have been like, I could pay this bill, I could check this email. But you're like, no, I'm getting that hot sauna. And etain.pilates wrote, "Honestly, I just made it through a challenging week." You know, that's a win. That is a win, just like you made it through and it is Friday and you got to the end, and so good on you. All right, a win of mine. We are still on tour. We are on the last days of the tour, and my win is, I'm still enjoying myself. I'm still enjoying myself. I think it there, there's this idea that, like, if other people have other things going on and there's terrible things happening in the world, then I can't have more good and an excellent episode with Brad Bisjack, in one of his courses, he actually said, like, people said, I feel bad wanting to have more when, like so many people have less. And his response is like, nobody wins when you play small. And I really do appreciate every single one of these stops that we get to do, because I know, like, I learn every time I teach, every time I meet people and I teach like, I learn from the question they ask. I learn from the environment. I learn from looking at their body's move. I learn from their learning style understanding what I'm saying, like, oh, that's how you took that. That's so fascinating. That's not what I meant, like I learn from all that. And so I also love that these pop ups can come in the middle of a crazy week for someone, and can be a positive stop to the chaos. And so they're so important to me that that we do them because it can be the pause that someone needs, the cup feeling that someone needs. I love doing that for people, and I love that my win is, is that I'm still enjoying myself along the way, because it is so easy for the questions of, aren't you tired? And I know that those questions are meaningful, but every time someone asks, aren't you tired? Aren't you tired? Aren't you tired? Like it's so easy for the brain to latch onto that and go, am I tired? I'm like, no, I'm having a great time. I'm having a great time. And that is my win. I'm not letting the societal pressures and questions of like, I should be tired by now, and I, you know, all this different stuff, get to me. I'm actually allowing myself to be so present and in the moment and enjoy what we put together, and what my team has put together, and all of the people that have come and the impact we're making, like I'm enjoying all of it, and that's my win. 

Lesley Logan 8:26  

So, now, your mantra for today. This mantra actually came from an Instagram comment that is couple I'll just be honest. It's a couple months back, but you know, we're getting it to you now. This is from me.shay_427. My body is not my resume. My body is not my resume. My body is not my resume. I love this mantra so much I especially wanted, I saved it for this first FYF, because I think the pressures of society, especially with all that's going on, is like you've got to be just thinner and thinner and thinner and, my goodness, you guys, they want us so busy, like, distracting ourselves with self hate and all the stuff that we have to change about ourselves that we aren't noticing all the things they're trying to take from us. They don't want you playing big, because then you will take up their version of the pie. There's no pie. There's no pie of power, there's no pie of money, there's no pie of energy, and so take up all the fucking space, okay, and your body is not a resume. So go have a great day. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. It would help this podcast grow very, very much. And I hope you're enjoying the series we've got going on. We've got some other series coming up. And have an amazing day Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 9:52  

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Brad Crowell 10:34  

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Lesley Logan 10:39  

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Brad Crowell 10:44  

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Lesley Logan 10:51  

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Brad Crowell 10:54  

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The start of a new year often comes with pressure to overhaul everything at once—but health and wellness habits do not work that way. In the final episode of the Habits Series, Lesley Logan breaks down how to choose habits that truly support your future self instead of chasing trends, rules, or social media “shoulds.” She explains why wellness habits must be personal, adaptable, and rooted in how you want to feel—not how you think you should look. This conversation invites you to slow down, remove judgment, and build health habits that actually serve you for the long haul.

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• Wellness habits should fuel energy hydration and recovery first.
• Choosing habits based on future you rather than current trends.
• Why judgment and shame prevent habits from sticking long term.
• Adding health habits slowly to protect consistency and physical recovery.
• Replacing outdated habits with supportive routines that fit your life.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

So your health and wellness habits have to be making sure they're fueling you, hydrating you, and giving you time to recover. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:49  

Hi, Be It babe. Welcome back to our bonus episodes on habits. We had some requests on habits, topics around travel habits and traveling, and then also health and wellness habits. And so if you haven't yet listened to all the top tips on how to create habits that actually stick, go listen to episodes one through six. We're actually giving you strategies, and also Amy Ledin and our recap episode, because we talk about the healthy the way that she creates habits too. It's important because you're going to hear sometimes you hear things the same thing I'm saying from someone else, for it to stick, because we all have different words that activate something in us, right? So you don't have to listen to that stuff to actually get them out of this episode. But it does help if we're on the same page of like, how habits are created, it can help that being said, all right, health and wellness habits. And if you have a topic that you're wanting me to do a habits talk on there's a help you need with that. Then send it in to beitpod.com/questions we can add another bonus episode, or I can answer it on a recap episode. You also can send in your wins on how the habits are going that you've been creating. And I am a I I'm kind of obsessed with habits, because habits have created the schedule that allows me to become the person that I'm so desiring to be in every single day. I get closer and closer to being that girl, and I have, that woman, and I have so much more clarity around the leader that I want to be for this business. And that helps me go, okay, well, hold on, what about her? What does she have that I'm not doing yet? And then that helps me create different habits in my day and let go of habits in my day that are no longer serving me, because, you know, guess what? We're all getting older. Can promise you that it doesn't mean we're getting old. I don't even think 100 year old is old, you know, but like, we are getting older. And so as we get older, there's things that we need more of and things that we can use less of, right? 

Lesley Logan 2:38  

And when it comes to the topic of health and wellness, I think there's, I'm not going to go through an exhaustive list, because there'll be things that you think are part of health and wellness that I might not have thought about. But also what I want to make sure of is that, like I'm trying to be cognizant of not saying what a healthy habit is, because there's no such thing. There's just habits that serve you and habits that don't serve you and something that someone might deem as unhealthy habit might actually serve you. And so so it's really important that we like are clear on that, and we're honest about that, and we get some we articulate it for ourselves in a way that doesn't allow judgment and shame, because where judgment and shame are, I promise you know habit that you want to create is there, and I also know that you're not listening to this podcast hoping that you become someone who just judges and shames all the time, like that's not going to be fun, right? 

Lesley Logan 3:27  

Okay, so health and wellness habits are going to be things that have to do with sleep. They're gonna have to be there and be things that have to do with water and fuel intake. They're gonna be things that fall under movement practices, and they'll be things that can even go under skin care, right? Things like that. I am a 42-year-old woman who's turning 43 probably around the series is releasing so there are, there are habits that I have incorporated in the health and wellness category of my life based on perimenopause and how it affects me. And after perimenopause, I will have to review, and maybe even as it goes closer to menopause, review the habits that I have and things that we do and and in the health and wellness category, and not just because of how I want to look, but more importantly, because of how I want to feel. And so before you get into too many details about health and wellness habits, on this topic today, this episode, I do want you to take a moment you can pause if you're thinking of a future you that you're trying to be, what health and wellness habits does she have or he have, or they have? Right? What does a day, a morning, an afternoon, evening, look like for that person, not based on what you think you can do, but what you wish you were doing. What would make you feel good? What makes that person feel good, right? So when you have that, then you can run one of the things that you're like, oh, I'm not doing that, and I want to do that. Okay, then go back through our habits series. And take the proper steps to add that in. But I'll just share, like, when you hit perimenopause and every single thing in your algorithm is telling you all the different things you have to do, and holy moly, will fucking make you crazy. It's like women should be doing creatine. Actually, they should be doing two times the creatine. Oh, the there's people who say Pilates can't do anything for you, but it's good if you do it, but you just have to make sure you're lifting weights. Like, like lifting weights is gonna be too much you can't grow strength from lifting weights, but you have to lift weights. And it's like you, feels like you're a crazy person, right? So first of all, when it comes to health and wellness habits, you have to think about the version of you you're going to become, and how, what do they have? How do you want to and if you don't know what those habits are, because some of us don't know what we don't know. Then, how do you want to feel? How do you want to feel? I can tell you right now, like, I do not want to be 60 years old with the stomach issues that I have when I was a 30. I don't want to be 60 years old with shoulder aches and pains. I don't want to be 60 years old going, oh my God I wonder what it's like to be 40. No, I want to be 60 years old with all the wisdom of being 60 years old, and have the energy to like rock my world, so I can enjoy 80 and then 100 right? So doing the research around like, what I need to be making sure I'm paying attention to now my 40s, because there's, you know, we have the benefit of so many people being in front of us and them saying, okay, if you have done this in your 40s, like, like, all these different things. So when I was adding creatine into my routines, and creatine works for me, and something that does work really well for me, I had to think, okay, well, when am I adding this into my already busy day? So many things I have to do, you know, and some people like you do creatine right after you work out, not necessarily, not if you work out late at night, you don't want to be doing creatine. It'll fuck your sleep up. Okay, so, so when do I need to be doing it? What? What? Where? What is it best to mix with and going back through our habits, stuff that we talked about, the other episodes we have to explore, test, be curious and celebrate what we did, too, until we find a time where we can we have figured out that the best prompt for that habit to happen when it's supposed to happen is there. We've figured it out. So for me, took a while. I was like, oh, maybe I should do the creatine before I work out. So it should be in my afternoon shake. Well, what if I don't have an afternoon shake? Because I actually don't have an afternoon shake every single day. I'm supposed to do double dose of creatine because it will help prevent Alzheimer's. And my goodness, that is something I don't want to have. So for me, I had to explore. Okay, I actually really like it in my morning cup of coffee, I'm gonna do double the dose. So after I put my collagen in, after I put my fiber in, I put my creatine in, and then I celebrate that I did it. And that cup of coffee also helps me celebrate, because it gets that dopamine kick anyways, it's like you're awake. So it really does help. 

Lesley Logan 7:50  

So your health and wellness habits, first, you have to figure out how you want to feel in the future and evaluate based on like what you're doing now, and then start to add it in, one at a time. One at a time I love because it's so easy to go, okay, all right, so I'm finally, this is the day I'm gonna get it together. I'm gonna go for a morning walk, I'm gonna go for an afternoon swim, and then I'm going to do my red lights before, I go to bed, holy moly, that will like, you'll have one or two good days, and then you'll be so sore, and you're gonna fall asleep before that red light gets on, and then you're gonna shame yourself. It's not how it works. Health and wellness habits, especially ones that actually could make your body sore, take you gotta take your time adding those in so that you don't have a day that would actually harm your body to continue on with it. Okay, I'll say that again. You got to take them slow so that you can ease into it, so your body's always feeling good, especially at the beginning. We're trying to create the habit, so you don't have a day where your body feels like shit because of the habit you're trying to create, right? I don't want anyone having a hard time sitting down on a toilet. You know what I mean? Like after about like after a day where you did a leg day and then you can't sit on the toilet. You're not going to have excitement to go to the gym and do arms. It's not going to happen. The other thing about health and wellness habits is that you really do, I think you're know this is going, you really want to evaluate what works for you as between you and your doctor, that is between you and your family, like what what works for you? Because, yeah, they could be people saying you should be doing these, like intermittent fasting. I'm gonna tell you, I tried that. You probably have even heard me on episodes that I tried that, and I did, and I felt good for a little bit, and then I didn't feel good anymore, because skipping breakfast was causing me to not have enough time to get the protein that my body needed, to get the fuel in that my body needed, and so for me, that didn't work. So I'm glad there's tests out there that say it's amazing, and I know it's amazing for people, but it wasn't amazing for me at this place in my life right now that could change in five years. And so that leads us to when it comes to health and wellness, right there is what everyone says we should be doing. And then there's, well, what, how did it make us feel? And does that align with how we want to feel? If it's not, then it doesn't. We have to figure out another way to get that, right? So yes, I have to eat the veggies. I don't like the veggies, but the woman I want to become, well, she probably had some veggies, so I got to find the veggies that's going to work for me, and if I struggle to digest them, or I'm allergic to them, I'm sensitive to them, there has to be another way to get that nutrition in, right? You're seeing that? So we're not going to should on ourselves all the way to health and wellness habits, because it's not going to make you feel good, it's gonna make you shame and judge yourself, and then the habits don't stick. 

Lesley Logan 10:44  

The other thing about health and wellness habits that I just want to, like chat with you about is like, especially in Western society, especially for women over 40 high we grew up on get thinner and thinner and be the thinner and thinner and just thinner, and pluck the brows and be thinner and thinner. And I'm gonna tell you right now, thin doesn't equal healthy. Period. It's just very important that when we come we talk about health and wellness habits that you are understanding and clear based on your hormones and blood tests and other tests in your body, about like, where, what, what is really going on in your body before you make changes to caloric consumption and and that you're, you're you're thinking about these health and wellness habits in a way that actually feels you. So your health and wellness habits should fuel you. They should also hydrate you. They should also make sure that sleep is easy. If you're struggling with sleep, we have to look at the health and wellness habits through the lens that's going to help you sleep. Once we got your sleep down, then we can look at the health and wellness habits and help with the stomach issues you've got. Why did I say sleep first? Because your sleep is part of the healing your body. And if you're not sleeping, you're not producing stomach acid, if you're not producing stomach acid, you're not gonna absorb you're not gonna break down food. You're not gonna absorb food. Okay? So you can obviously, you're welcome to focus on your stomach first, but if it's stressing you out and fucking up your sleep, I recommend you sleep. So your health and wellness habits have to be making sure they're fueling you, hydrating you, and giving you time to recover. If listening to this, you are discovering that, wow, I've had these habits that are no longer serving me. So for example, I used to run every single day, every single day, and I do, like sometimes miss that routine that I have. I live in a place where, like, as I record this, I could run in the morning every single day, but come April, not it's just not how I want to feel. I don't want to feel that hot. I'm already that hot just walking, you know, so, so for me, it changed, like how often I could run. And I will also say that running every day is not serving the other parts of the be it till I see it that I want to have, they're not it's not helping me with the strength that I'm wanting to have, and it's not helping me with the Pilates practice I want to have. So now I run two days a week, and I love it. It's great. I had to unravel the other habit. I had to replace it with something else that I could do, that could fill me up. And it did take time. It took me a long time to figure out, well, what should I do in the morning? You know, should I tried rebounding? And I tried, I tried a few things until I settled in on what I do now.

Lesley Logan 13:25  

But there is an episode in this series on how to unravel a habit you no longer need, that no longer serves you. And so part of that is figuring out, like, what prompts that habit, okay? Other part is figuring out what's gonna replace that habit, otherwise it becomes a vacuum. So if you are thinking, oh my gosh, as I listen to this, she's telling me, I have to let go of my nightly wine. Actually, that's not up to me. It's really up to you. If it's serving you, if it's bringing down your cortisol and allowing to be present in the family's lives, you have allowed you to connect with them, and your health and your doctor, and all the things you're doing are looking good. Please don't put judgments on yourself, of which there are not right, because what I would hate is for you to take away something that is allowing you to connect with people in this world, and then you take that away, and then you're not doing the connection part that you want. I know someone who's struggles with sleep, and so they are using weed to help them sleep. Well, of course, doctors could say, well, that's a terrible sleep, but she's actually sleeping, right? So now, is that a long term habit we want her to have? Probably not. Is it a long term fix? Absolutely not. If it's helping her get some sleep, until she can start a sleep routine that helps her wind down, get her cortisol levels down, get these other things down, and then she can come off. She can do less a little half of dose, and then a quarter dose, and then, like all that stuff, and then whatever she was doing at night that prompted her to take it that would have to unravel. So instead of just going cold turkey, no, we're not going to do that. Gotta unravel it. And we also have to make sure that we're not letting anyone tell us what's a healthy habit or a health and wellness habit. Because you you have to remember who you're trying to be it till you see and you have to remember how things are serving you, and if you're like, definitely doesn't serve me to drink that wine, because I just shame and judge myself every single night. Okay, great. Let's let it go. But what's the prompt what do we fill it with and are those shame and judgment thoughts in the year and a half, even if you replace it and said I'm just not gonna buy it, I'm just not gonna buy it. I'm gonna sit there and watch Netflix, are you gonna shame and judge yourself about Netflix? So it's really important to me that we get really honest and clear about what we consider a health and wellness habit. We're not using the media, especially social media, to tell us what we need to do. We have an amazing episode with Rachel Varga. We did two episodes with her. So her second episode is all about these tools, these beauty tricks and tools that people say we got to do, you got to do this thing. And I really love that episode because one of the things she said that'd be really helpful for for me, for sleep, was an Epsom salt scrub. Like everyone says, Epsom salt bath, it helps you sleep. I did Epsom salt scrub because of her I do it multiple times a week, and I have the best sleep, right? And so. But it took someone to tell me. It took me exploring. Took me going, okay, the media saying, this is that the best way to do it? Is that going to serve me? And then going through the episodes we talk about, okay, how, what are all the different ways that I could do I could make creatine happen in my day. Okay, what are the easiest ways and the ways I want to try? Okay and then what do I already do in the day that I could add this to without having to start a whole other thing that I have to drink each day? Okay, great. Let's try it. Let's celebrate. Oh, that kept me up at night. Okay, different drink. Okay. How'd that feel? Oh, I have a best day ever. Okay, great. Celebrate. Celebrate. Celebrate. Keep going. Keep going. Evaluate, correct, continue. As long as it works for you, as long as it's serving you. It's a great health and wellness habit, and there are so many. But the important thing is that it's you have to go to the finish line. Where are you trying to go? Who are you trying to become? What are the health and wellness habits that will help you get there? If you are someone who is getting great sleep every night, then we have to look at the health and wellness habits that will help with great sleep, and then we have to evaluate what would serve you best, not just because what the media and studies say, and then we have to add it in to a day that you already have something you're doing, and then we just celebrate that we did it. We'd make it smaller and smaller and smaller until it's easy to do. And then when it's easy to do, it'll be easier to expand on the time. And if you're like, what is she talking about? Then you got to go listen to the other episodes on the series of habits. 

Lesley Logan 18:02  

So if there's a topic that you want us to dive into, if there are habits that you're trying to figure out how to make smaller, if there are habits that you're struggling to add in or unravel, want to hear about them. Send it to the beitpod.com/questions or send in the wins that you're having when it comes to habits that stick and what resonated with you. I want to share that in the FYF episode so you can hear yourself get that shout out and go oh my God, look at the thing that I did. Remind yourself that you did it. And if you're loving these series on topics, on different topics, and how to do them, then I would love to know what other topics you're wanting so we can make sure to include it in the lineup. Thank you so much for listening to the Be It Till You See It Podcast. I'm really proud of what work we're doing and of you for listening to it. And I can't wait to see you become the person that you're truly wanting to be. So until next time, babe, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 18:48  

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Brad Crowell 19:31  

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Lesley Logan 19:36  

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Brad Crowell 19:40  

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Lesley Logan 19:47  

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Brad Crowell 19:50  

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