Be It Till You See It

Lesley shares a powerful reminder from Māori culture about honoring people in their own time and space — including yourself — and why this perspective can shift how you move through the world. She celebrates meaningful wins from OPC members and opens up about how changing her recording schedule completely transformed her tour experience this year. It’s a gentle nudge to reflect, reset, and make space for the version of you that’s growing right now.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• What takiwātanga revealed about honoring people in their own timing.
• How Māori values uplift neurodiversity with dignity and respect.
• Wins from OPC members showing strength, consistency, and body awareness.
• Why recording months early transformed Lesley’s tour experience.
• How reflecting on last year’s setbacks helped her build a better schedule.

Episode References/Links:

• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Life on the Spectrum - https://www.instagram.com/p/DKFvUjjOyJt

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Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g
• Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/
• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ
• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:44  

Hey, Be It babe. How are you? My God, it's December 5. This is crazy. This year is going wild. This is your Fuck Yeah Friday, because we got to celebrate Fridays together. And I really love doing these short and sweet episodes. I hope you love them too. I would love to know you. You gotta let us know, and you can send your wins in or your questions in your feedback beitpod.com/questions. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

So today's episode is quick. I give you something that inspired me from the interwebs, which you know can be a weird place. Then I share something that you sent me, and then I share a win of mine. So here we go. So this one is from the Maori culture, and I hope I said that, it's, it's a hard word for me to say, Maori culture, so I apologize if I said that wrong. In Maori culture, autism is known as, and this is, I'm going to say not correctly, but we're going to go for it. Takiwātanga, meaning, in their own space and time, in their own time and space. And this is powerful world reflects a worldview that honors neurodiversity, seeing each person's way of being as valid, dignified and deserving of respect. Rather than focusing on deficits, takiwātanga encourages inclusion, understanding the belief that everyone experiences life in at their own pace, in their own unique way. And then the post says, Let's embrace perspectives rooted in respect, mana, which means inherent dignity and whanaungatanga, relationships. I'm sorry I've definitely butchered that one, but I hope that you are as inspired as I am, because I actually really appreciate this. I think it's really easy in our culture, especially right now, to be thinking of people who are different than us as having less or we need to fix that or change that. And I just think it's a beautiful thing, like in their own space and time, and their own time and space. Not only should they have that, but we should be giving ourselves all of that. And I just think that that word is beautiful, and I hope that that inspires you to think of yourself and anyone else in your life who is autistic as as being unique. And then, instead of focusing on deficits, focusing on like their their unique person. I hope that we can do that. I think if you're listening to this podcast, you probably are someone who does, who generally tries to be respectful of others, but it is hard, right? It's so hard, especially when people get confused or people get misinformation. And so I hope that that gives you a little inspiration, and it's just like, oh, what a food for thought. I love that. 

Lesley Logan 3:18  

Okay, now your wins. You guys sent me a bunch, so we're gonna go with a couple of them. Here we go. @denisestargazer, my QL is getting stronger and my side bends are finally deep. I love that so much for you. Yeah, it's, like, Pilates is so good. It balances and balances. Someone else could have really overworking QLs, right? And so it's so I love that you got to feel that for your body and get something deep out of it. Peter does Pilates. Had my run scheduled, did not want to go at all. Did 95% of what was scheduled. You know what? I love that. At OPC, we always say like finishing is optional. I think it's really important that one, we're always listening to ourselves. Gotta listen to our bodies. But also it was scheduled, so sometimes it's once you get going, it's like, okay, I can do this. And 95% it's amazing. Like we're celebrating. Okay. One more, @etain.pilates. My teacher didn't have to adjust my legs in prone for Swan, like she does every week. Way to go. Insane. It sounds like your body is starting to connect the dots and not need to be reminded. You know, I love that sometimes people are like, always checklisting in their Pilates practice, like, did I do this? Did I do that? Did I do this? And it's like the goal is that your body does it on its own. All right, you can send your wins in. I love sharing them. Some of them are short, some of them are sweet, some of them are long. I don't care. Bring them in. You want to hear your wins on the show. Here's why, because at some point you're gonna have a crappy Friday, and then hearing a win that you sent me is gonna remind you of something you did do, and that is worth celebrating. 

Lesley Logan 4:53  

All right, my win. So we're on tour right now, and my win is getting to tour, and being so well rested, so prepared, having filmed everything early, and I'm not going, we're going on tour, and I had, I'm going to come back to being behind on my work, like, I'm just so grateful. Look, this was a team effort. This was a year and a half in the making. You've heard me talk about this. I brought a win like this up in the past, but truly, it just keeps getting better. And one of the ways it keeps getting better, and I'll share, I'll share with you how this win came to be. So after everything that we do, we always reflect back on, like, was that good? Is that something we do again? And I am constantly like, reflecting on, how did I feel on that tour, what could I, what, what would have made it better for me, so I can make the tour better for those who are attending. And last year, I got sick before the tour, so yay, sick before the tour. That's wonderful. But that meant that I actually couldn't record two of the YouTube videos before we left, and there would not be time for us to record them on tour, nor would there be time for us to record them when we got back in time for them to release on YouTube. So we just missed a month of YouTube videos, which is unlike us. We've never done that before. Now we have playlists, and we had other tutorials we could drop, but we didn't have our long forms, and that would be like, just we never missed, and I just had to get to come to terms, like it's just not gonna happen. We put too much on my plate. I got sick. And so with my assistant, I was like, okay, we have to make sure that there is room in the schedule for things to go haywire, for me to get sick. And so what's so cool is we adjusted my schedule way back in January so that I would be recording so far in advance, which is not always ideal, because that means like, I'm not recording things in with like, what is going on with the world at the exact same time. However, it allows, if I get sick, there's a little bit more wiggle room to record things, versus just skipping things. So it just feels so good going on this tour, having been so prepared and so on top of things, and knowing that when I come back to my home in January, like the most important thing I have to do is get my hair done and my nails done, like, that's it. So do you hear how a win can be in so many things? It can be a long practice thing. It can be something small. You can also just be in like, I felt a certain way. I don't want to feel like that again. I made a plan, I did the plan, and here we are. So I, being it till you, see, it is hard. Every time, we evolve. We learn more things about ourselves. We figure something out. It's like a mountain with no peak, but not in a way that we're unsatisfied, in a way that we just keep taking a look back at how far we've come and adjusting our path going forward. Because also for my ladies, listening to this, like our bodies are changing, right? I am 42 so you might be in your 50s, and it's already you're on the other side of perimenopause and and I'm getting there, but like may my listening and reflecting myself give you permission to listen and reflect upon yourself. And if you need help, ask for it. If you need people to leave you alone, ask for it, right? And then send that win in so we can celebrate you. 

Lesley Logan 8:02  

All right, a little affirmation for you to take with you on your journey. Here we go. What is today's? I get, here it is. I let go of the things that sit achingly out of reach. I let go of the things that sit achingly out of reach. I let go of the things that sit achingly out of reach. You know what? You do that probably create space to welcome it all the way in. Sometimes, that's how it goes. You release it and it comes back. Someday, I'll tell you about a story when I released Brad and he came back. Anyways, that's a story for another day. You're amazing. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:38  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 9:20  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:25  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 9:30  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:37  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:40  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley and Brad revisit Lesley’s conversation with fat loss and mindset coach Amy Ledin, co-founder of Lean Bodies Consulting. They share how Amy uses identity-based habits, Daily Agreement Cards (DAC’s), and simple appearance rituals to help her show up as the person she wants to be while navigating stage four cancer. They also break down her 5 for 50 Habits Framework and how scripting your future self can rewrite negative self-perception.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How appearance rituals can help you reflect the identity you want.
• How future-self scripting can reshape mental loops on negative self-talk.
• How Daily Agreement Cards can turn vague intentions into daily commitments.
• How the 5 for 50 approach can simplify long-term habit building.
• How identity-led actions can make starting new habits feel more doable.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Agency Waitlist - https://prfit.biz/events
• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• Can You Travel Around the World Teaching Pilates? - https://beitpod.com/teachingabroad
• Planke App - https://plankeapp.com
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Amy Ledin Website - https://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com
• Lean Bodies Consulting - https://facebook.com/leanbodiesconsulting
• Episode 5: Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/ep5
• Episode 85 : Dr. Celeste Holbrook - https://beitpod.com/ep85

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipment

Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper’s Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipment

Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

Be It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-survey

Be a part of Lesley’s Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/

FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/

Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g
• Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/
• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ
• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

Follow Us on Social Media:

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• The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses

Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

There's so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be so you can actually do the thing that you want to do. 

Lesley Logan 0:09  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the unfaltering convo I had with Amy Ledin in our last episode. 

Brad Crowell 0:59  

The what convo? 

Lesley Logan 1:00  

Unfaltering. 

Brad Crowell 1:01  

Unfaltering. Love that. 

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Yeah. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you are definitely going in and out of order. But that's fine. It's totally fine. We're actually. 

Brad Crowell 1:11  

We don't do perfection here. 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

We don't and but also, this kicks off our Habits series. 

Brad Crowell 1:19  

This one? 

Lesley Logan 1:19  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 1:20  

Oh, I didn't know that. 

Lesley Logan 1:21  

We are in the Habits series. You don't even know. 

Brad Crowell 1:23  

I know that's amazing. Well, I was gonna comment that it was coming up because the two of you talked a lot about habits.

Lesley Logan 1:28  

Yeah, yeah. So she kicked us off in this interview, in case, the way I talk about habits doesn't exactly work for you. Amy is a great person at habits. And then several episodes, they're like 15, 20, minutes of me actually, just like breaking down how habits work. And so you can, you'll have episodes you can actually come back to anytime you need to go back through a habit. 

Brad Crowell 1:53  

Love that. 

Lesley Logan 1:54  

I know.

Brad Crowell 1:55  

So this is 611 so just remember episode 611 kicks off the Habits series. 

Brad Crowell 1:59  

Well, 610. Oh, the interview with her, 610 so, yeah, the last episode. So you really should go back and listen to it, if you haven't already, it's worth it.

Lesley Logan 2:08  

You should. So, but before that, you'll listen to us talk about how today is December 4th 2025, and it's World Wildlife Conservation Day day. According to Brad's notes, day day. 

Brad Crowell 2:19  

Day, day. 

Lesley Logan 2:20  

Day day, all right, World Wildlife Conservation Day is on December 4th and we're so excited to spread awareness about preserving Earth's endangered flora and fauna. What do you think the most invasive species on the earth is? Monkeys, catfish, locusts? Well, I'm just gonna pause before I say what I'm about to say the second to the last sentence does make me feel like these people do care about the animals, and I'm gonna get it, bring it back to the animals, but we do have to talk about how it's us humans, and it's not because you're not having enough babies, ladies, that's not it at all. Actually, it's because nature's most magnificent, are we really, nature's most magnificent creatures, world, wildlife, people, I don't think so, are becoming endangers and being pushed the brink of extinction by the greed of some humans. Okay, so really, animals.

Brad Crowell 3:06  

No, they're saying that animals and plants are being pushed to extinction because of humans. 

Lesley Logan 3:13  

Because of humans. Okay, all right, so, so, oh, I see we're the most invasive species. 

Brad Crowell 3:19  

That's right. We are the most invasive species. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

We are the most, I read that as endangered. So okay, so I'll take it all the, well, first of all, we don't need to have any more babies because we are the most invasive species. There it is. But it's true. I just get so tired of people thinking like we're gonna run out of people. We're not gonna run out of people, because the Earth is gonna get too hot for people, because we are being assholes, so this is causing irreparable harm to the wildlife ecosystem. So, just so you know, here are the animals that are in danger right now. One of the most rarest cats in the world is the Amur leopard. There's only about 100 of them left. The vaquita is a small porpoise from the Gulf of California with only eight to 13 estimated to be left. And the rhino. Multiple species are actually critically endangered, largely due to poaching for their horns. And it's really sad about the rhino, because have you seen a baby rhino? They're so cute. The orangutan, all species of orangutans are critically endangered because of the habitat loss from deforestation, and they're being hunted or captured as infants. I watch this incredible thing about how they're trying to create habitats for orangutans, but then they have to take the orangutans that are used to being around people and like, teach them to be orangutans again, it's really quite cute. The saola, saola, an elusive forest dwelling animal in the Annamite Mountain, sometimes called the Asian unicorn, saola, an Asian unicorn? Well, we got to see this. Sunda pangolin, over-exploited for their meat and scales with illegal trade and a major threat. And then the bugs we got to be worried about, the salt Creek tiger beetle, the butterflies, the McCarthy's plant-louse and a giant torrent midge. And, I mean, do we need the midges? I don't know if that's the same as a midge in Scotland. 

Brad Crowell 3:21  

What is it? 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Giant torrent midge.

Brad Crowell 3:21  

All right, images, oh, I don't actually know what I'm looking at here.

Lesley Logan 3:21  

It's giving me, AI is giving me 75 different kinds of animals, none of which, I think are the midge.

Brad Crowell 3:21  

It feels like it's, it's kind of in the antlered world. But a bunch of bugs came up. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Yeah, a bunch. But did you find the Asian unicorn?

Brad Crowell 3:21  

I did. And it actually is like the spindly, horned like. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Okay, you know what it looks like, everyone? It looks like, it looks like the Target dog on a deer with horns. It does. Not white, but like the snout.

Brad Crowell 4:44  

It's got, it's the bull terrier face, but it has antlers that are spinning like spindling. They spin. 

Lesley Logan 3:55  

All these to say, the we are endangering a.

Brad Crowell 4:41  

Twist, they twist. 

Lesley Logan 4:41  

And, oh, and we're endangering a lot of animals. And when one animal goes it actually affects a whole chain. And as humans, I think that we are really getting into we're too self-absorbed, even when we think we're doing the right thing. So just be mindful of what you're doing. And you know, we're we're making the earth too hot, and it's going to be a problem for everybody. So that's World Wildlife, you know, conservation day, humans are an invasive species, not endangered one. Okay, I read that totally wrong. Sorry about that. Anyways. Also, today is the day we have left for the tour.

Brad Crowell 4:41  

Yeah, we hit the road, and that's exciting. We are heading to Colorado.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

Yeah, we're going to Colorado Springs. That event sold out. Both things sold out in like a week, so yeah, and then we'll be in Fayetteville, and then we're gonna keep on going, opc.me/tour, is where you can get your tickets and. 

Brad Crowell 3:55  

There are still a few tickets left, y'all, but I don't know which cities, so just hop over to opc.me/tour, and come join us. Come hang out. It'll be so fun to meet you in person.

Lesley Logan 5:49  

We really want to. It's one of the best ways for us to hang out, and there's lots of prizes. Balanced Body is our sponsor of this tour, and that means we're bringing our Controlology equipment with us. We're bringing Bayon with us. This is the biggest one. This one has 23 cities, so we've outdone ourselves, truly have and we will see how we are on the other side. So, but also while we're on tour. You know, we talked about this last month, but we did not do a sale for Profitable Pilates this past week. I guess it would have been for the Thanksgiving holiday, because we're doing something really special December 26th to the 31st and so you're gonna want, if you've ever wanted to try out Agency, if you've ever wanted to experience what's like, to be coached with us, and you want to get it on a discount, you are going to want to make sure that you are paying attention to our emails. And so the best thing you can do is go to prfit.biz/events, because that'll get you on the waitlist. Actually, just wrote a waitlist email for those people, yes, and that way you will not miss out on this amazing opportunity, and it will in the come back around, okay. And then after the new year, we come home, we literally unpack the van. I'm getting my roots and my nails done. I literally told the team, there's zero things that can happen on that day. There's only two things that can happen on that day, because my roots will be five weeks out, and so will my nails. And we have never tested that before in life. 

Brad Crowell 6:56  

So I'm gonna basically unpack the van and repack the van while she's getting her nails done.

Lesley Logan 6:10  

I know I and we haven't even decided for taking I guess we're taking the van. So we're I'm gonna be teaching at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. Brad's gonna be at the booth. We've got some fun fireside chats. It depends on if those rugs that we are picking up fit in the other car. So you guys, oh my God, do you want to know this? We have six rugs that are waiting for us to pick them up, six and they're huge, and the last thing I needed in this house was a rug. But I couldn't say no to six rugs. So I have to now maybe get rid of some rugs, or we're gonna layer some rugs, unclear, but this is, this is the things that Brad and I on our ADHD have to figure out. However, we are going to somehow, some car is going to take us to L.A. and that car will pick up some rugs before we're at the Expo. And then Brad will be at the booth. I'll be running around. I'm doing a fun chat with Ken Edelman. I'm doing a fireside chat that I think Erika Quest is hosting. I got a couple workshops in a class so go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then, also, in January, besides being at my birthday, we are going to let the wait list people in on an amazing deal on the retreat to Cambodia next October. So it happens in January. Why? Because we want to kick off the new year. Help you plan your massive travel for the end of the year and have some fun with us. You can plan the, you get to think about it all year long how cool is that, You'll want to go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on that waitlist, because, again, only the waitlist people get the discount. 

Brad Crowell 9:52  

Yeah, and we're gonna have a call in January, middle of January, basically, to we're just gonna hang out and talk about it all. And answer questions for you. So if you were like, you know, it's interesting, but I'm unsure. Come join us for the call. We're going to email the wait list about the call. So go on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com, you'll just see it on the homepage. Scroll down a little bit towards the bottom, and you'll see, you know, find out about the upcoming events and whatever. So we'll be able to email you the Zoom link. And yeah, we're just going to hang out and talk about it, and we'll probably invite a couple of our past retreaters to join us, so you can ask them questions and all the things. But I next year is going to be it's gonna be a big, a big trip. I'm excited. It's gonna be awesome. And we have, we've already had, we've literally already had people start getting tickets. Okay, I know they got a secret sale, and a bunch of people were like, yes, please. So just saying.

Lesley Logan 10:44  

They're like, people like, how do I get the secret sale? Apparently they just asked you guys. I'm pretty sure that's how it went. Then in February, we will have our Agency Mini, but it's happening in February. I don't have the dates in front of us, so pfit.biz/mini will make sure that you do not miss out on when that is happening but.

Brad Crowell 11:01  

Profit without the O slash mini. 

Lesley Logan 11:03  

If you paid attention to what's happening on December 26th to the 31st you will not miss out on that Mini. So I'm just hinting, hinting.

Brad Crowell 11:12  

Hinting. 

Lesley Logan 11:12  

I think I'm hinting on the right thing. The team will let me know. In March, I will be in Poland, and we will also be in Brussels. So if you and with Karen Frischmann, so if you want to learn in an intimate setting and for like, long days of amazingness with Karen and I, then you're gonna want to go to xxll.co/poland or xxll.co/brussels to snag your spot. And then at the time we're recording this, we have, they have not announced POT London, but we will be there. And so if you go to xxl.co/pot, you'll see all the POTs that are happening next year. 

Brad Crowell 11:47  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 11:48  

So when London is there, you will see it there. And if it's not there, you can see all the other things. And just because we're sitting in there doesn't mean we're going to be at all those things. 

Brad Crowell 12:00  

No, that's true. 

Lesley Logan 12:00  

So don't get mad. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

We'll be at the London one. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

We'll be at the London one for sure. Well, I'll be teaching at the London one for sure. 

Brad Crowell 12:01  

Oh yeah. 

Lesley Logan 12:02  

Okay, now we have to answer an audience question, and then we can get into the amazingness of Ame Ledin. 

Brad Crowell 12:08  

Yes. So okay, we had a great question. This is from SamCrecco. Samantha asks from IG, hi, I came across your page, and it has really motivated me to make a change. I am an elementary school teacher, and I've been teaching Pilates on the side for about two years now. As a former dancer, I've always had a passion for health and wellness. I'm looking to teach Pilates abroad for a short amount of time, maybe three months, but I'm open to longer. I was wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get started. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sam.

Lesley Logan 12:40  

Yeah, so, Sam, you it's so here's what is amazing about being a Pilates instructor. You can kind of go anywhere and get a job, like most studios need people. But on profitablepilates.com we actually had a great blog written by Roxy Menzies about being a traveling Pilates instructor, and it's like, I think that we published it like eight years ago and or maybe seven years ago, and it is still the top red blog, one of the top red blogs on the website, because it's such a hot topic. And so I absolutely recommend reading that book, reading that book, reading that blog, because she did that for years. She was a traveling Pilates instructor. She did it for years, until she settled down and had a family. So I would check out that blog post. There's also, and I think it's linked in that blog post, there's also, there, at least was a Facebook group for traveling Pilates instructors. Like, I'm not a I'm not hugely active on Facebook, so I understand, like, I don't know how that will work, but you can go in there and see what that is. And then there's a couple other apps where, like, studios will put job postings. I think, Planke does it P-L-A-N-K-E, the PMA has a job board. Essentially, though, like you would just be surprised what like, because here's the thing you're gonna need to know what your kind of style of teaching is called, because obviously that's for some students that's going to matter, or for you to enjoy yourself that might matter. And then sometimes they just post things in in groups, or they tell a friend, or you can, you can let people know. One of the girls who did eLevate, she actually ran someone's studio for six weeks in Hawaii. So she got to live in the woman's house and live in Hawaii on an island by the beach, and run her studio. So the woman could take six weeks off like, what a dream. I think it's amazing. 

Brad Crowell 14:20  

I'm all about that. I mean, maybe not at this point in my life, because I do have a family and a house. But you know, if I was 20 years younger and in this position, it sounds so fun. 

Lesley Logan 14:32  

Oh, if we still had the apartment in L.A. when we when we didn't have the studio, this would have been like, like, upper alley, but now I'm, like, just not gonna pay me enough. But, well, you're, you have to, but, but Sam is in the perfect place. Like, she's like that, and she should take advantage of it. I think, like so many people, like, oh, this is what I should do. No, if you are not like, like you, if you don't have like, a lease that you're like, dedicated to, like, if it's easy for you to be mobile., well, you should do that while you can, because you haven't you will meet and learn. Meet so many people, learn so many things. You'll learn about yourself. It's like, the same reason why you should come to Cambodia, like, there's just things you have to do in your life so that you can truly level up and figure out what you really want to do. Like, that's the cool thing about being a Pilates instructor. Maybe some people will do this for their whole lifetime, and some people will do it seasonally as a as like a thing that they do until they figure out what they want to do. I love that. So anyways.

Brad Crowell 15:27  

I'm in. Well, thanks for asking that question. If you have a question, you can ask us, go to beitpod.com/questions where you can leave a win or a question, beitpod.com/questions and last week, we got to read out one, and we'd love to hear one from you. So stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this great conversation that Lesley had with Amy Ledin, and we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 15:50  

All right. Now, let's talk about Amy Ledin. Amy Ledin is a fat loss and mindset coach. She's the cofounder of Lean Bodies Consulting and the host of the F* It Podcast. She helps women in midlife create lasting transformation through training, nutrition and identity-based habit change. Great. 

Lesley Logan 16:09  

What? Great. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

Great. Yeah, it's so great. Actually, you know what I really appreciated was I've been around you for so long now with your habits training with BJ Fogg, and just listening to you talk about the process and how it all works. And it was, it was really fun to listen to somebody else talk about habits and habit forming and building with her clients. But it's, I thought it was cool because it was identity-based habit change and not just like habit change. So that's pretty awesome. She uses tools like the DAC, which are her daily agreement cards, which we talked about all the way back in episode two, I think, or three. 

Lesley Logan 16:13  

She was episode five. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

Just kidding, way back in the beginning, five, her DACs. She still uses those. She helps clients reprogram the mental loops that keep them stuck and build a body that reflects their discipline, a stage four nonsmall cell lung cancer fighter, Amy continues to lead and inspire through resilience, integrity and action. And yeah, I know. 

Lesley Logan 16:13  

This was a big episode. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

This is a pretty big episode. It was also like.

Lesley Logan 16:21  

We're gonna spoil some things as we talk about it, so if you didn't listen, it won't be a surprise when you're listening. But like it was, she has cancer right now.

Brad Crowell 17:06  

Recurring, for the fourth time recurring, and this time it's, it's attacked her brain. 

Lesley Logan 17:10  

I know I'm really upset. I'm like, I'm I'm frustrated for her. And we have another friend who's going through something similar. It's like, the second time, and you're just like, you know, like, it's just so frustrating because, like, of course, they're also the people, like, doing the work and caring for other people, and they're so generous and all that they do, and you're just like, like, why can't it be the fucking asshole over there? You know? Why? You know, but that doesn't get to be that person. So we can, we can get into that in a little bit. But I actually want to talk some other things. I did love that she said.

Brad Crowell 17:58  

Yeah, before that, I just wanted to say, you know, thanks for the update, Amy. And I just wanted to say that I appreciated her honesty. You know, I'm glad you asked the question the way you asked, which was like, how's it going with cancer? Do you still have cancer? What's what's going on? And she said, yes. And instead of being like, Oh, I'm so sorry. You said I'm sorry, but you know, like, how does that make you feel? Like, do you feel like? I can't remember exactly what you asked, but it was something about like, do you, are you sad, are you tired of being sorry? Are you tired of people saying that? And she said, I'm actually tired of it, and I'm tired of also being the strong one, because people always tell her wow, you might, you're so strong, you know. And she's like, I don't want to be that anymore. I've been doing that for a long time, fighting this, and it's, you know, she doesn't want to do that. So I just thought it was a really candid conversation about somebody who's going through something that, you know, the first times were probably like, debilitating and crushing, and this time it's almost, it's got to be, like, some kind of a routine at this point.

Lesley Logan 19:08  

I mean, I think we just talked about, like, how she didn't even tell them right away, because it's like, you just don't like, you just don't even want to, like, go through the things that people are going to say.

Brad Crowell 19:17  

We all know what they're going to say. I mean, we've, we've done it with our pets, you know and, you know. And I'm not, I'm not carrying them in that way. But the the recurring trauma of something that's tragic happening a second time, you know, I can only imagine what, yeah, you know, a fourth time, you know, so I just wanted to say thank you for asking it the way you did. And Amy, thanks for being candid and being willing to share. And you know.

Lesley Logan 19:45  

Also, like, I don't we were like, we would talk before the episode started and it didn't come up. No. And so I was like, oh, Jesus fuck. Like, you know shouldn't tell. And also, and here's the other thing, that it's really important for us to hear, at no point did I go. She never told me, like, as, if you know what I mean, like, like, it's an affront. You should have told me, how come you didn't tell me. It's like, I think it's, you know.

Brad Crowell 20:08  

That's like, narcissism. 

Lesley Logan 20:09  

I, I don't even, it's, it might not mean you might not be a narcissist who does, who says that, and you still say, but like, it's, well, it's never, by the way, it's never about you. In fact, if, like, just okay, if you're someone in my life who I'm not calling it's probably not about you. It's probably me, most likely, 99.9% of the time, it's me. So you know, and so I if any of your friends are like me at all, it's also them, it's not you. So if it is you, you can just say, Hey, I'm actually a little surprised. And if it is me, I just want to know if it's not me. No, no need to say anything, but, like, it's probably not you, but so at no point did I think that, but I was just like, geez, this fucking sucks. She because she is so strong, but she's gonna be so tired, because people will always say to me, they're like, you're so resilient. It's like, I'm fucking tired of being resilient. So anyways, she's a badass. Let's get into some of the reasons why she is she said on body and identity, and this is another reason why I like the way that she talks about habits, because, like, she talks about it as embodying it. And I think I should have spot one of my clients the other day or the other another episode where she's like, I'm a healthy person, like, it's an identity that she wants to be, and a healthy person won't, like, cancel their Pilates session so I'm here even though I would prefer to be laying in bed, right? Like, so I was so proud of her. I was like, I'm so proud of you. Because, like, that's how you can that's how you can make changes in your life. It doesn't have to be habits. I make changes. And so she said on embodied identity, you have got to show up as the person you want to be. And so for Amy, she talked about how she puts on her makeup and she does her hair, and she consciously avoids verbalizing her pain or fatigue with what she's going through, managing her stage four cancer, because she's really focusing on your body goes in the direction you speak to it. Your body goes in the direction you speak to it. We've all heard like, where your energy goes. That's where it flows, right like, so you can focus on all the negative things that are happening in your life. And guess what you're gonna see all the negative things. And guess what you're watering all the you're literally watering the negative things. But if you're focusing on, and it's not a toxic positivity type of focus, but if you're focusing on showing up as the person you want to be, and putting your focus in that direction, it is going to get you there. And she said, she said she emphasized the power of maintaining her appearance as a tool to influence her self-perception. So I love this. I do this too, because whenever I feel a little tired, we'll run down if I look in the room like, oh, I didn't get dressed today, of course, like, but maybe it's I also I didn't sleep. But, like.

Brad Crowell 22:49  

I know what you mean, you just kind of, you know, roll out of bed and keep going and (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 22:53  

Some days it happens and you're like, oh, no wonder I'm feeling like, not myself. You put everything on. And even if that doesn't solve the world's problems, it kind of you look at yourself in the mirror, you go, I look good, right? Like, I look great. So she said, not many people realize that it's a big superpower. You want to see reflection of who you're wanting to be feeling like, like in the mirror, you know? So I think some people can get a little weird about, like, oh, putting on makeup and doing my hair. Like, that's so superficial. It's not, guys. Yes, there are people that are superficial who do that, but like, for most of us, it is kind of the thing that helps us show up more as the person we want to be because we're fighting on the outside.

Brad Crowell 23:33  

You know, it's like, I think corporate usually it's weird about it, because every you know, it can become like, a competition and stuff. But like, you know, there is a reason that people wear a suit and tie in a corporate environment, right. It changes the way you you it's supposed to change the way you act. 

Lesley Logan 23:53  

Yeah, yeah. There's a reason why there's uniforms at schools. It's like, kind of so that everyone is, like, not in pajamas at school. But also, like, you know, supposedly supposed to help people, like, not be wanting to be each other. But like, kind of also like this, if it's your job to go to school, like, then you have to wear uniform, you know. So I get it. 

Brad Crowell 24:10  

I definitely have found myself changing my shirt before I get on Zoom calls now where I'm like, you know, like, my old T shirts aren't really my vibe anymore, and as much as I enjoy them for, you know, running around or, you know, weekend, yard work, they're, they're the wrong vibe for when I'm coaching or I'm on a call or whatever. And, yeah, it definitely gives you a different perception of yourself.

Lesley Logan 24:35  

Yeah. And I think, like, I just think that, you know, a lot of a lot of us are taking notes from people who maybe what they're saying means well. Like, especially if you're like, oh my God, I have to spend so much time getting ready every day. Yeah, you don't need that stuff. But like, if you are trying to feel like a more positive person who feels strong and as a leader, like these things can help. You know, Dr Celeste Holbrook calls that she calls them harm reduction acts, like she would love to not wear makeup, and she would love to not have to put on a clothes that match, but for her to get her message out, she understands that there is a way that she needs to show up, and if she shows up that way, she reduces the harm she could get in the comments. And so she also, like, does this thing in the morning, so that she can put these things on, so can show up in the way that she wants to be received, so that she can give her message out there. So there's so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be. So you can actually do the thing that you want to do. 

Brad Crowell 25:41  

Yeah, well, that, that leads pretty straight into what I enjoyed, what she was talking about. She was talking about, how we, how do we create change in ourselves, and how do we, you know, habit forming, and all that kind of stuff, the self-talk, the way that we we what we're thinking. It's really interesting, because I'm like, super analytical and a little bit sarcastic is the wrong word, but cynical is the right word, right? So I'm a little bit cynical. So, you know, I feel like there can be this dissidence of like, oh, when I say these happy things, I'm still lying to myself, because it's not reality. But what, what she's talking about were, was basically the way that you say the things to your brain really matters, and it really needs to be identity shifting, the things that you say to yourself. So like, for example, what I've noticed this is just very basic, but if I wake up and I go, I feel tired. I probably feel tired all day. But if I wake up and I and I say, I'm ready to go, then I'm going to be ready to go all day. You know, especially if you're like, I feel good, I feel good. I'm ready. Let's do this right? And so in that same vein, she advocates for scripting or writing out your day as if you were already your future self. So this is like future casting, right? And this is also like, you know, you call it manifesting, or whatever, but the idea is that you're who is it that you want it to be? Who do you want to be? Who do you how do you want to operate? You know, how do you want to think if you create a script for that, you know? And she talks about, you know, I am someone who is good at making decisions, and I make decisions that benefit my myself, my future, my family, and, you know, every decision that I make is helps lead us towards the path that we're going down. This kind of a thing where it doesn't, it's, you know, it certainly can be right? And she said, script this, because what happens is you're rewiring your brain, right? She said, your brain doesn't actually see the difference between your future self being a scripted version of yourself and the current self, right? And what you're doing. She said, since 91% of your thoughts are repetitive, which is crazy, because I thought it was only 80s, she said, 91. 

Lesley Logan 25:42  

I think it's probably 91. 

Brad Crowell 25:42  

She said, consciously scripting is a new you know, your new reality is essential for breaking away from old patterns. And you're trying to show that you can change. You know you're you're changing who you are and when you as you're scripting this, whatever it is going to be for the future, this mantra that you're going to create for yourself, there will come a point that you're you start to adopt it in the way that you think. So it might sound cheesy and weird, but give it a try. You know, I think this is actually really interesting.

Lesley Logan 26:51  

Yeah. I actually really like this. And I think, like, for the people who are like, I'm so busy, you can do this on a commute, because you can just talk to text. You can just talk to text.

Brad Crowell 27:54  

Yeah, well, I but I think the idea is that if you're scripting it, you want to read it. 

Lesley Logan 28:02  

Well, you know, but talk to text, then you can read it. Like, if you don't have if you're like, my morning is so busy, It's so chaotic, I got to get everybody out of the door, you could then, on your way to work, talk to text and a note on your phone. Here's how my days here's how my day went to it's the end of the day. Here's how my day went. Like you're scripting the day, right? And then when you get to your desk, you can just read it. You already wrote it. 

Brad Crowell 26:04  

I don't quite think that's what she means. I think she's saying. 

Lesley Logan 26:51  

You have to handwrite it. 

Brad Crowell 26:51  

No, she's saying, map it out. It's your thing that you do as your it's the same thing. You repeat it every day. It's the same one. 

Lesley Logan 26:51  

Oh, you're doing the same one every single day.

Brad Crowell 26:51  

You're creating a script, and you're retraining your brain and the way that you think. So, how is it that you want to think, let's write these things down? 

Lesley Logan 27:03  

If you're already your future self.

Brad Crowell 29:23  

Right. As if you were already your future self? Oh, okay, I like what you're talking about. Because what you're talking about is, is more like the brain dump kind of a thing of like, almost like the morning, morning pages slash notes.

Lesley Logan 29:49  

How this amazing day is going to be, well, you could still do this part. You could still do it voice to text. You just have to the same one every time. 

Brad Crowell 29:49  

Right. But then you have to remember it. So. 

Lesley Logan 29:49  

I think you will, I think you'll even get more (inaudible) you probably can get better at it. I think you probably even get more details and more nuances, and the smells and the sounds will be there. Yeah, I'm just trying to help the people out who are like, look, I know what they're gonna say, Brad, they're gonna say, I don't have time to do this every morning. No time. So I'm trying to give them the permission to find a way. 

Brad Crowell 30:20  

Let's change that. The I don't have time thing, I don't, I don't. I think that we're making it lot bigger than it needs to be. Like, okay, maybe the first time you have to spend some time thinking about who you want to be yourself. But you need to do that anyway. Yeah, right. So one, you know, but I think your mantra could literally be two sentences or five sentence. It doesn't have to be paragraphs. We're talking about, you know, something that you can build into your morning routine as a habit, and it becomes a habit, you know. And maybe it's when you're brushing your teeth you see, you know, the note on the mirror that says daily mantra, or daily you know, you know, identity shifting, or whatever it is that you, you know.

Lesley Logan 31:02  

Yeah, you could put it somewhere where you could read it every morning and every night. I like that.

Brad Crowell 31:05  

Yeah. I mean, I don't even think you need to write it out and stick it on the mirror. You could, but even on your phone. You just need something like, You need to like Lesley says, tie it to something that you do daily so that you're gonna see it like, for example, the making coffee and doing push ups while I'm waiting for the coffee to brew.

Lesley Logan 31:23  

I like it while you're brushing your teeth, because you do probably do that twice a day. I like it being on the mirror and not on your phone so you don't get distracted. My ADHD, as soon as they open their phone, they're getting fucking lost and they're somewhere else. 

Brad Crowell 31:35  

I think that's wise. 

Lesley Logan 31:36  

And if they don't update that note every day, then the note gets buried. So like, let's just put it on paper on your mirror, and you can read it twice a day while you're brushing your teeth, because while you're brushing your teeth, you're like, man, two minutes is a long time. It's a long time. So what if you read it for the whole two minutes?

Brad Crowell 31:51  

What if, I mean again, it doesn't have to be two minutes long. It could just be a few sentences. 

Lesley Logan 31:51  

No, it could be a few sentences that you read over and over again for two minutes. 

Brad Crowell 31:58  

Yeah, that's cool. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some really great Be It Action Items that Amy shared with us like she's a powerhouse, y'all, I'm very continuously impressed by her. 

Lesley Logan 32:10  

I know. 

Brad Crowell 32:10  

Yeah, well, we'll be right back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Amy Ledin? So funny enough, I'm going to let you say what she got excited about. But she she also said she's got this interesting framework that she created about habit building, and she calls it five for 50, okay? And, yeah, I thought this was clever. I know there, you know there's you talk a little bit differently about the length of time it takes to build a habit. 

Lesley Logan 32:45  

Yeah. I actually this idea. Cares thing (inaduible) 

Brad Crowell 32:49  

Wait, wait, let me tell the idea. Okay, so 5 for 50, what is it? 5 for 50, you're picking five specific things that you want to turn into habits, and you're going to perform these habits for 50 consecutive days in a row, right? So little redundant there consecutive means in a row. So 50 consecutive days you're going to perform these five specific habits that you want to change. And there's one caveat, four out of five of those must be things you genuinely intend to continue to do long term. So you're not picking five things that you might want to try out. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about four of the things you definitely want to build into your life. And the fifth thing, maybe that's the thing you want to try out, right? And the examples that she gave were, she has a 26 year old son who was like, I really want to learn to draw. And he he said, I'm going to do it for 30 minutes every day. And and after a few days, he was like, whoa, this is overkill. I I'm not an amazing (inaudible) I reduced it to 10 minutes a day, but he still did it 10 minutes a day for 50 days.

Lesley Logan 33:52  

Yeah, and that. And so she does give there's a you have the first week to adjust the habit so I. 

Brad Crowell 33:59  

Increased his time because he got really into drawing. And by the end of 50 days, she said he was like, Michael Jordan of drawing, yeah, yeah, yeah. She said it's amazing what you can do. You know, you know how you know whether it's playing the guitar or whatever it is, you know, the but the so the fifth habit is reserved for personal growth area that the person wants to explore. This will allow you to dabble in it, to see if it's something you'd like to continue to, you know, without the pressure of a forever commitment. So for her, it was getting back into journaling. She's like, you know, I used to do it. I was really intentional about it before I got out of the habit of it. And like, I kind of want to do it, but I'm not really sure if I want to do it again. So she was like, I'm going to add that in as my fifth thing. So, you know, and, yeah, that seven day window gives you time to redefine, redefine those agreements. There's 50 those five things over the 50 days, you know, if the initial commitment proves too much. And I thought, I thought this was kind of clever and and so that said, I wanted to check in with you, Lesley, because you said, oh, I started learning Tarot. 

Lesley Logan 34:47  

Yeah, tarot. 

Brad Crowell 34:49  

Tarot, I said, tarot. 

Lesley Logan 35:00  

I know, like I'm rowing a boat, like I'm learning to row, yeah, tarot, yeah. I'm still learning it. I'm still learning it. I have missed a few days on the return of our, of our coming here, but I actually, except for, according to the app, I missed a couple times. I think that's because of the plane. Like, I, you know, I actually do believe I did it on the days that I did it, but, like, it was like, you missed it, but I actually did almost 50 days in a row on that and I am not a little hiatus, because we have to get back to life. And it just was like, Okay, this is actually filling a job and not like a hobby and so, but I love it. I'm really into it. And I just, I'm really excited, because I just got a notification that this 2026 journal is coming, and it's like a daily Tarot journal, so it will help me with my because with Tarot, you have to, like, immerse yourself in it, to learn it. You know, like, you got to learn the cards, but then you got to draw the cards. And so I'm trying to find these different ways to make sure it's around me. So it's easy to do sure, but I am loving this. This is really fun for me, and it's also really interesting when I tell people I'm learning it, because they're like, oh, are you new readings? And it's like, no, no, no, not everything that I do is going to become something I get paid to do. This is for me, doing it for myself, but I but I actually like, I really like, here's the thing. We can all talk about the same thing in different ways, and some people are going to love it, and some really love other things. I actually really like the way that B.J. does habits, which is what I'm going to go into the rest of the of the month. That being said, this might be exactly what you want to do. Or you can actually go, Hmm, I wonder what my five habits would be. You can actually use what I am doing the next the for the next month to come up with your 5 for 50. And then starting on day one of the year, you could go through the first 50 days of the year using Amy's, so you can actually do both.

Brad Crowell 37:05  

Sure, I dig it. Well. Anyway, I thought that. I thought it was a good like, I love it. It's a good challenge. You know, it's a challenge, but it's a good one. 

Lesley Logan 37:12  

And I think it, I think it is a challenge, and you're not. It's not like, they do this every 50 days where they start new things, like they, they do this and then like they, I think if she said it was a couple times a year, it's like, not like, every 50 days, like, Okay, it's time for our new 5 for 50. Like, you've run out of things to do. So my Be It Action Items, she is so clever, she actually used her DACs and the Be It acronym. So.

Brad Crowell 37:36  

DACs are the daily action commitments, which for her were cards that she was writing on. 

Lesley Logan 37:41  

Yeah, like, those cute little like, recipe cards, yeah. So B is bold, pick one agreement that matters. So your bold action, and that she is saying is, pick an agreement that matters, and then you're gonna do E, which is executable, write it in real words, not vague words, be specific on what you're shooting for. And then I the intrinsic is link it to how you want it to feel, not how much you want to weigh or how much you want to make. So like, not anything like external, but how you want, how that one thing is going to make you feel on the inside. And then T targeted, start today, not someday, be very specific of when you're going to start doing the thing. So I thought that was, like, a really fun way for her to use her DACs with the Be It. I was like, oh, look at that, be it till you see it right there.

Brad Crowell 38:29  

Yeah, it's I thought it was quite clever.

Lesley Logan 38:32  

Yeah, I know. I love when people give me my acronym back. I don't want to make it a rule, but, like, it does make me smile. I'm not saying anything guests who are listening to this that maybe you should do it, but, but it's really good. I can't believe it's been 555 episodes. 

Brad Crowell 38:52  

Wait. 

Lesley Logan 38:53  

She was on Episode five.

Brad Crowell 38:54  

Yeah, this is episode 611.

Lesley Logan 38:56  

I know, but she was on episode she was on episode 610 so she, it's been 555 from her. 

Brad Crowell 39:02  

605 baby. 

Lesley Logan 39:06  

Oh, nailing it. Nailing it on these episodes (inaudible) wow. I, like, don't even have my brain doubled down on that, like, I doubled down on that, and I really was like, oh, that's 555, that equals 610, five, five plus five. That's 10. Really, this is why I actually write down math when I do it and not do it in my head. Anyways.

Brad Crowell 39:37  

We listen to a pod where he says, I don't do live math so but yeah, maybe we should adopt that.

Lesley Logan 39:43  

Clearly I don't do live math. All right, I am Lesley Logan, and I, I am imperfect. Clearly from this episode,

Brad Crowell 39:51  

I'm Brad Crowell. Thanks for being here.

Lesley Logan 39:51  

Yeah, make sure you share this with a friend who needs to hear it. It's really, really great. And also we want to hear, Amy's gonna want to hear, especially like, did you do 5 and 50? Did you pick an agreement? Did you do anything like share it with her. I know she'll love to hear it, and it will inspire her and empower you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 40:11  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 40:12  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 40:55  

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Lesley Logan 41:00  

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Brad Crowell 41:05  

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Lesley Logan 41:12  

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Brad Crowell 41:15  

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Lesley Logan reconnects with fat loss and mindset coach Amy Ledin to talk about the habits that actually stick in midlife. Amy shares how she’s been navigating stage four cancer while still honoring her values, her energy, and the daily agreements that keep her grounded. Together, they revisit her 5 for 50 habit framework, explore the power of future self scripting, and break down why identity work—not willpower—is what creates change that lasts and helps you become the person who follows through.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Amy returned to routines and promises after her cancer recurrence.
• Why she created 5 for 50 and how doing it as a family builds confidence.
• How choosing a “test habit” and adjusting early makes hard habits feel doable.
• Why creating a health character and using rehearsal scripts rewires old loops.
• How changing your environment reduces decision fatigue and supports long-term habits.

Episode References/Links:

• Amy Ledin's Website - https://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com
• Amy Ledin's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amy_ledin
• Lean Bodies Consulting's - https://facebook.com/leanbodiesconsulting
• F* It Podcast - https://beitpod.com/fitpod
• Episode 5: Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/amyledin
• Atomic Habits by James Clear - https://a.co/d/874dad4
• Book: Your Big Leap Year by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/ick374u
• Journey To The Heart by Melody Beattie - https://a.co/d/fT1sQ1c
• Willpower Doesn't Work by Benjamin Hardy - https://a.co/d/f5KQW2v
• Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant - https://a.co/d/8jKmYAh
• Nicole Lepera - https://theholisticpsychologist.com

Guest Bio:

Amy Ledin is redefining what it means for midlife women to “look like they train.” As a coach and entrepreneur, she combines strength training, simplified nutrition, and deep mindset work to help women create bodies that reflect their discipline, not their diets. Through her unique tools; the Meal Card Method, Daily Agreement Cards, and Breakthrough Rehearsal Scripts, Amy helps women escape the all-or-nothing loop, rebuild consistency, and sustain results for life.

A stage four non–small cell lung cancer fighter, Amy brings a rare blend of resilience and realness to everything she teaches, grounding her coaching in lived experience rather than perfection. She’s also a devoted mom of five, a podcaster, and a community leader who believes identity work is the true driver for change. Whether she’s guiding her clients or helping them script the actions of their “future self,” Amy’s mission is to help women trust themselves again. Her work continues to empower thousands of women to build confidence, honor their bodies, and follow through on the promises they make to themselves.

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Episode Transcript:

Amy Ledin 0:00  

My business character, I named her Amy Blakely. It's after Sarah Blakely. I pretend that I try to show up as her because I'm not as outgoing and as creative and fun and bubbly as Sarah. But when I create that character, my current self doesn't see it as a threat if I just say I'm just playing this role, you know. I'm coming on the podcast, playing a role that helps me show up as my best self. Like, I think a lot of us like forget that we have to, you know, we got to do it enough to become it.

Lesley Logan 0:29  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:13  

Be It babe, holy moly, this episode is one for the books. I mean, her first one was one for the books. She's fabulous and she's amazing. We cover a lot of topics. You can insert whatever it is that you want to be until you see in for what we're talking about in these ideas. Basically, I wanted to have Amy Ledin back, and she is back, and, like, top notch, better than ever. And the reason is, is because we are going to do a really fun series on habits, and Amy is the queen of how she gets people to create habits that are not torturous and also that allow them to really become the person they want to be. And I mean, every different example is a be it till you see it. So this week, it'll be Amy Ledin plus a recap, and then next week I'll kick off a series on how I help people with habits. There are two different ways, but you then can choose the adventure that works for you. And I'm really excited about it. I believe in what we just discussed in this episode so much, and I can't wait to hear what's coming. And then I want you to let us know, like, how are you doing? Are you able to make the habits to help you be it till you see it? So get ready, buckle up. We have a few weeks to talk about this topic. And first, it's the one and only Amy Ledin. 

Lesley Logan 2:24  

Okay, Be It babe. Holy frickin moly. I can't even believe it. I am so freaking excited to see the woman who's on my screen right now. Like, I have saw it on my day. Like, this, is it two o'clock yet? Is it two o'clock yet? Amy Ledin is back. Episode Five. Can you (inaudible) I don't know what number this is but it's over 600.

Amy Ledin 2:44  

Wow, that's crazy.

Lesley Logan 2:47  

I know. I know. And you, oh, I have to tell you this, Amy, my mom heard your episode when it came out. She literally still only talks about that one out of all the podcasts. She's like, that woman with the cards, that woman, and then you had, like, the boss, the boss bitch, and like something else, and she's still 

Amy Ledin 3:06  

Oh yeah, your inner bitch, inner boss. 

Lesley Logan 3:07  

Oh yes, she quotes you to this day. It's been four years. 

Amy Ledin 3:13  

I love it. I love it. 

Lesley Logan 3:15  

So Amy, in case people are new to us, which there's probably a lot of people. Can you remind them who you are and what you rock at? 

Amy Ledin 3:22  

Yes. Okay, so I'm Amy Ledin, as you know, and I am a fat loss and mindset coach, is what I would say. That's my forte. But I'm a podcaster. I'm a mom of five kids, you know, I'm a wife, a homeschool mom, you know, all the things you know, I'm someone that has overcome, you know, I've lost 90 pounds. I am a stage four non small cell lung cancer, you know, fighter. I am now, right now, I've been in remission. I wouldn't call real remission, but no evidence of active disease three times, and this fourth time that it's come back, it's spread to my brain. So I'm on all new medications. So I would say that's the biggest update since the last time I've been on here. But I am, you know, I am a perimenopause, menopause, you know, menopause coach, and that's because my audience is growing up with me. You know, I'm 47 so I'm in the thick of it as well. So I'd say that's who I am.

Lesley Logan 4:18  

Oh my gosh, Amy, I had no idea it had gone into the brain. That is because Brad and I were like, I wonder how she's doing. I wonder if she's back in remission. That has to be hard. Like, is it hard, I mean, or maybe you just don't want to feel sorry, like, maybe it gets annoying to feel sorry for yourself, like, I just want to, like, do you mind if we chat about it a little bit?

Amy Ledin 4:34  

It is annoying and no, and you know what? I love that you're just like, you ask it, because people don't. So it's been almost a year since I found out that it had spread, and it was a shock. Like, I was really shocked. In fact, I was coming back to my podcast. I'd already recorded several episodes, and then I got that news, and I just, it really did knock me. I really got this, like, just attitude of just, I was really angry. Like, I'm like, I don't get it. Like, what am I doing wrong, which is just the wrong attitude. But that took me a few months to kind of feel sorry for myself. And then it was like going back to all the things that you know I needed to do to, you know, all the things that I always did before. You know, my keeping my promises and having a routine and building these habits and really living in a future, you know, like living as if I am already there. And you know, that helped me kind of come back. But I will say, you know, it's really only been a couple months of me really feeling like myself again, because I've just been battling a lot of that, you know, loops of just, you know, panic and fear, and am I going to be lucky this time? And you know, all of that, so, you know, it's then I've really had to, honestly, just get into a high gear. And this is what I'm always good at, is when, you know, shit hits the fan. I am someone that does the opposite of what most do, and that is, they, they just crumble. Like I said, I had three, I say three months of, like, feeling sorry for myself. I was still operating at what would probably be someone else's like, 85% I think where mine came in was when I don't believe in myself, like, or if I'm having that fear, I can't do, say, podcasting, because it was one of the areas that I have to be super authentic. So it's the first thing that actually goes off the books, and it's actually the thing that I used to love the most, because it was, like my therapy, so I almost have to be in full alignment for me to come back. So like, right now I'm getting ready to relaunch, and I'm actually excited for the first time, because I'm like, Okay, I'm living it. I can share because, you know, you know this yourself, like it's an energy transfer that you're doing right now with other people, and so it is all about having the right energy to really get into that person. And so that's kind of, you know, where, it has been hard. But you know what, like, what makes me feel the best is showing up at a very super high level, levels that people would say, why are you even trying this? And that is just because I am proving that you can do so much.

Lesley Logan 7:04  

Yeah, I love what you said, like, you know, living as if I'm there, because that's the whole be it till you see it motto, right? Like, it's just, like, we're just getting there. And I just think, like, it's, I feel you in that, like, when something doesn't go my way, like, I am also very good at hitting, like, hitting the fifth gear. Like, when Covid happened, we were in the air coming back from Cambodia. I was like, okay, hold on, what don't they have? They need this. Oh, I can do that. Okay, there's that, right? And that's how we bought this house. Recently, we had a situation, and we got the worst news in the entire world, and the first thing for me to shut down is like, I have to, we talked about this before we hit record, I have to add value. I have to be on integrity. I have to have integrity with my word like that is such a value of mine. So we're going to even though we weren't allowed, what happened is, we're turning around the border with the right paperwork and the right permit, and they still wouldn't let us in. I was like, we're still going to do the event. We're still going to operate integrity. They're still getting everything that they wanted. They just don't get to hug me in 3d but I'm still going to do it. But the thing that had to go away is I couldn't show up on Instagram because I, like, all I wanted to do was, like, cry and go, like, this fucking sucks. But I'm not that person that I'm not the person who does that this fucking sucks. I'm the person who's like, Okay, this is what I went through, and this is what I did, and this is what I'm doing, right? So not that, like, my situation is all brain cancer. I want to make sure the listeners here, I heard that. I can hear that, but like, I can understand, like having to let go of something you love or that you enjoy doing, or that as an outlet for people to get to know you until you're in a place where you can go, okay, how am I going to operate in this way? 

Amy Ledin 8:36  

Well, and no one wants, I mean, I'm not saying it needs to be like this toxic positivity, but day in and day out of someone just like being boohoo is also not a place that's really going to serve anyone, especially myself. I'm really not a big believer in sitting in it, so even when I'm in pain, my family knows I'm rarely going to tell you that I'm hurting or that I'm tired. Just know that's pretty much always for me. But why would I verbalize things like, I mean, your body goes to the direction that you speak to it, and so I just don't do that. So I'll take on the makeup, and I will do my hair and those things, because I see my reflection all day long. I really believe that's a big superpower that people don't realize. Like, you want to see a reflection of what you want to be feeling like, I don't feel that great. But when I see that other reflection of like, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, versus man, if I didn't do anything, I think it just make me start to go more downhill. And I mean, everybody's different, but I'm a really big believer you got to show up as the person you want to be. 

Lesley Logan 9:37  

Yeah, I love that, and it's true. Like, I not only do I it's not about toxic positivity. We had a really great episode about, like, happiness, and I was, I interviewed her, like, when there was the fires in California, and I said, you know, like, there's a bunch of people who like, why their houses are burning down. They're like, this is gonna mean something. And I'm like, that's not feeling your feelings. Like, yes, I do believe that everything does happen for a reason. I do believe that like, when doors close, it's because another door is going to open. Like, of course, but in the moment, you are allowed to feel the feeling. 

Amy Ledin 10:06  

(inaudible) time. 

Lesley Logan 10:07  

Yeah, like, feel your feelings. 

Amy Ledin 10:09  

No one needs to tell me as I'm getting the news. Amy, this is because you know what, you can handle it. You know what I'm about ready to like, I'm, you know, that was the biggest thing that I really got tired of people like, oh my gosh, you're so strong. Like, I'm actually tired of being strong. You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 10:25  

I do know what you mean. I'm going to say you're so resilient. I don't check on you. I'm like, I'm so tired of being resilient over it. But I do, I do think that, like, at what I also cannot handle is, like, why I can't be the person who's like, going to tell you what I'm going through in the process. I don't want the apologies. I don't want the I'm sorry for you. I don't want any of that stuff, because now I have to respond to that, because now I have to say, thank you.

Amy Ledin 10:52  

Well, I didn't even actually, and, you know, trust me, I'm going through therapy for this exact thing is, I actually didn't tell my family for a few months. I wanted to get like, several treatments, and my, not my, not my immediate family, like Mike's, like my parents and stuff, because I didn't want to go through that cycle right there. I wanted to already have an answer for, like, this is the diagnosis. This is what we're doing. I've already been doing it, and I've even had XYZ because I didn't, you know, you'll not see anything online about it, you know. You know, in our own private, you know, we have a paid group of women, 550 women, that, obviously I did, because I'd lost a lot between one of our training blocks, and I knew they'd see it in the filming. I film every round, you know, videos, and so I was open with them. But otherwise, I'm not that way, because I don't like the I don't like, to go through the phase of, like, let me give you, you know, I'm, I don't need that. 

Lesley Logan 11:45  

Yeah. Well, also, like, it's, you know, you have to feel the feelings. You can grieve, the things that, like, were what you were expecting. And then it's true, we have to go. So what can I do? Like, what are the actions that I can take? Like, what is gonna what if I'm in pain all day, like, what can I do to make myself feel good and like, I agree, like, my days are better when I, like, Get up and get dressed for the day and put things on and like, go, okay, whoa. You know, we nailed that. 

Amy Ledin 12:11  

Yeah. And I mean movement, like, I've had some really rough times over this last year where I've had to learn that if you get no mobility at all, it actually just increases that, the aches, the pains, you know, I had, I think it was like three days that I actually did not leave the house. And finally, like day three of my goal was just to get to the end of our driveway. And I just started to think, like, I mean, even if it's small, that is so much better than and getting sunlight, and, you know, all the things that just, really, honestly, I think, help our body. We're kind of like a plant that we need to, like, get out and, like, get in some soil, and, you know, so that's something that, you know, really, I think, is important, you know, as well. 

Lesley Logan 12:55  

Yeah, I know, like, a body in motion, like, stays in motion, right? Like, it's easier for me. Yeah, I came home from my tour, and my girlfriend saw me like that next morning at the gym. She's like, wow, you're so good at being consistent. I'm like, first of all, I do have a trainer that will not renew with me if I don't check this off on the app. Second, I paid for it, so we're gonna do it. Third, if I use the excuse, oh, I just got home or I have a trip, I will never have, oh, consistent workout, and then I'm always having to start again, and then that is just like, never gonna feel good.

Amy Ledin 13:30  

And I say that to clients that I'm like, think about the person that's traveling all the time, like you're taking five days to land back into your life from a trip, and then like, five more days to get, like, recalibrated and like, that's just, you know, wasted time, right? So, yeah, and, I mean, you know this yourself, like, having habits, having routine, having structure, is just one more thing that I think helps, like, even your body feel at peace. At least for me, like, that's the last thing I need to be worrying about, is that. So it just feels good to get right back into like, I need to make sure I'm getting my walks in. I need to make sure I'm getting, like, my sleep routine, you know, like, that's a skill in itself, right?

Lesley Logan 14:09  

Yes. Well, that that is, I mean, like, everyone's like, how's it gonna be back? You must be tired. I'm like, oh no, well rested. Very behind on emails, because my sleep is going to come before my emails. But thank you so like, I'm well rested, all of my all of my Pilates, all of my weight training, all happened, not the emails, you know, you gotta have priorities. 

Amy Ledin 14:30  

(inaudible) with the self-care. 

Lesley Logan 14:31  

Yeah, so, okay, so you brought it up. So kicking off a habits block, because I hate the new year, new you stuff. It's not my favorite thing. I know you like, I've heard you talk about, like, upgrades. Like, I think that each year is a time for us to reflect. And like, we can think about the change what I'm bringing into the new year, but like, you're still you going into the new year with more experiences and and, and also smarter, because you've hopefully reflected on those and you've thought about these things, you experienced them. So I wanted to help people, like, understand how they can be it till they see it with their habits. And of course, you come to mind because people loved Episode Five. It's probably one of the most cited episodes we've had. It's come up many times. People still talk about it. But what are some of the tools that you use to to have habits? Because, my goodness, like, even with you've got five kids, you've got a business, you home school like you have to have habits or probably nothing gets done.

Amy Ledin 15:24  

Totally and we actually do it as a family. So I'm a big believer, you know, habits are not sexy because they need to be forever. So I'm a big believer in that you've got to make your habits fun, and you got to get creative around gamifying things that help you, like, level up. So you have your like, daily habits that you want to eventually just become forever things like, for me, it's like a daily walk, you know, three liters of water, like things that I just want to be background noise, but for a season, I mean, I may need to put them, like right front and center. And so we started creating something that we call 5 for 50 and it's five habits for 50 days. And the reason we do this is you pick five habits. But the key is, it's five that you need to do for the full 50 days, and four of them you have to intend to keep long term, like, don't start something for 49 days or 50 days that you don't really think maybe, you know, it might be a smaller version of that, but it's daily things. And so we do it as a family, you know, sometimes twice a year, typically like when mom's going through something hard, and I'm like, hey, you know what? Let's do 5 for 50 as a family. Because I always know, then we push ourselves like we just, I mean, I just feel better about myself. And so. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 16:35  

And also it sounds like it gives you something else to focus on. You know. 

Amy Ledin 16:38  

It is and and it's fun to see what the kids do like we so we did four that you wanted to do indefinitely, and the fifth one was some personal growth area where you want to dabble in it to see if it's like something you like. So, like one of my son, my 26 year old, he did that he had to draw for 30 minutes every day for, you know, 50 days. You know, my other daughter did guitar. And it also taught them that, like, wow, when you do, you know the compounding effect of this habit over time. And so I like, you know what I like about a timeline on something again, is that habits aren't sexy. They get boring for people. And so when you gamify, or when you do something where you're like, okay, I have a block, I have a start and a finish, what you're hoping at the finish is to drop those off of like you're right in front of you, writing down, and they just have become part of, like, your identity. They've just they you're now just pulled to do those things, because they've just become automatic. Now I test myself once I take them off, if I see that they're not I might reintroduce that like on say, like my DAC cards that I talked about on Episode Five, where I then write them in a structure of, like, these are the things that I'm keeping promises to during the day, but the Five For HIT 50 is really it's a habit one, there I tell my kids, I'm like, these are things that you know, maybe you're even doing them, but now you want to do them with like perfection, because you know how you do anything is how you do everything. Like, I tell people, I anchor my morning with my bed making. And it's funny, because when I make my bed, I literally take everything off. Like, Eric's like, is it seriously that, you know, necessary, to do? I'm like, yes, because it is a metaphor for how I want my day to go and how I want to treat myself, and that I don't cut corners. I don't I treat it like it's a hotel bed where I want the sheet sure. could I pull, like, we hardly move some nights where I literally could probably pull it back, but there's probably some little scenes down in the bottom. And I do find this. I find that it takes I've set a timer once, it only takes me, like three minutes and like 32 seconds, and I'm like the whole time I say mantras to myself, but I say this is a metaphor for how I want to show up. So I tell my kids, maybe they're habits you're already doing. Maybe you're brushing your teeth morning and night, but maybe it's going to be morning and night for the full two minutes, you know, with intention or whatever it may be, right? And what the kids see is these little things that become measurable really build your confidence. They start to think outside of what those are. And they're like, big fingers, you know, I find that my kids start coming up with ideas of, like, businesses, and that's just because they're believing in themselves. You know, like my daughter, she's like, I'm gonna sign up for soccer. And I'm like, Oh, really. Because she's like, going into high school and she's never played, and this was Leilani this last year, and I'm like, I'm so proud of her. 

Lesley Logan 19:21  

She's going to high school? 

Amy Ledin 19:23  

She's grade nine. Can you believe that?

Lesley Logan 19:25  

I can't Amy because I thought I haven't aged a bit. 

Amy Ledin 19:30  

Yeah. So she, and she decided that, you know, out of the blue, that she wanted to start that, and I knew a lot of it had to do with doing these types of personal development things, where, when you can start measuring these habits like it's inevitable you're going to feel better about yourself. I mean anything from like Atomic Habits that I learned was when you start to even if it's two push ups a day, it's measuring that and seeing that compound effect over time. And it's not about the push ups. I tell people, it's what it represents that you do what you say you're going to do, and that you do it to the fullest. They're not like, half assed, like, that's why when I say what you write, you respect it, like, when you say you're gonna make your bed every morning. Don't just, like, throw it, because that's really how you're going to show up in all these other areas. Are you going to be the person that cuts the corner? Or are you the person that it's like, when I say I'm doing it till 5:30 it's till 5:30. Do you know what I mean, it's not 5:28.

Lesley Logan 20:22  

I actually really like the idea of like, one of them can be one, you just like, are testing out. Because I do think that when people are creating like habits that they want in their perfectionist tendencies, it's like, it's got to be all or nothing, and they're not giving themselves this permission. It's almost like, let me see like for right now. So I interviewed a girl who talked about tarot, and I said, I've always wanted to know about tarot because I was like, never allowed to play with tarot and and she's like, she's like, she's like, yeah, tarot actually was in the church. It was a way for you to self-reflect. And I was like, oh, well, tell me more. She's like, yeah, no, it was way to self-reflect, and you can actually use it as a tool to kind of figure out what's going on in your heart and your mind. I was like, oh, what a cool way for me to journal. And I have ever since hearing from like, interviewing her. I'm like, maybe I so I was like, I want to learn this, but then when you go to learn something new, it's like, it's hard, it's hard to take in the new stuff when you got the other stuff. And so I've, like, tried different books, and I was like, okay, here's what I do. I'm going to take this app. I'm going to do it for 30 days, but now I'm going to just put as my five for 50, and I'm going to see if, after 50 days, do I still want to learn this. Because it's also okay for me to say, you know, that was interesting and I didn't do what I wanted to do, and that's okay, you know, we can let things go, but we gave it our full effort.

Amy Ledin 21:38  

And telling your brain you can stop it at 50. Some of these long term habits that, like, let's say meditation, like, let's say you've wanted to dabble in it, but you're like, the idea of knowing it's something you really should implement forever kind of just seems like daunting. I'll be honest. Like, I'm like, oh crap, something I gotta do forever. Let's just wait to do that. But if you tell me, hey, just dabble in it for 50 days, see how you feel now be 100% for those 50 days, because that's the key. Like, it is crazy what happens when you go all in on anything, even if it's five minutes, if you're like, Hey, I'm going to just for five minutes a day, do this like our kids, because we let them choose the duration, and we did allow them within the first week of once we started it, you could change like, like, my one son, he was like, 30 minutes of drawing every day was just too much. I realized within the first few days that like sitting there with something that I'm not even, like, familiar with yet, because he's, like, he's 26 trying to get into it. So he and me, within the first week, we let them redefine the agreement you don't want to wait too long, because sometimes that's just your voice of compromise going, oh, so that's why it's like a seven day window. We say, okay, you've got seven days to come back to the drawing board. And I think he shortened his by 15 to 15 because he's like, realistically, I'm gonna hate it if I tell myself this, whereas, like my other kid was like, I'm gonna bump mine to 20 minutes, because 10 is not long enough or, you know, but it was really good for them to see what they were doing. But the compounding effect, like, I think we had one kid that decided to do, like the tennis bound like every day, just practice the hand eye coordination, which honestly made me realize, gosh, I need to do this, because my hand eye is not that great. He did this for 50 days. You become like a Michael Jordan, like, it is the compounding effect that people do not realize. Like, all you got to do is do something consecutively and like, over and over to get good, but knowing there's an end in sight, like, it helped me get back into journaling. Because I was like, okay, I just got to do it for 50 days. Let's see if this really is, like, worth doing the rehearsal scripts. And at the 50 days, I was like, holy crap. Like, it's actually making me feel better, you know, but I wouldn't have given it a shot, because I'm like, I don't want to add another thing into my life. 

Lesley Logan 23:42  

I love that you said that Amy, because I think you and I, one of the things that, like, we became fast friends, is like, we are committers. We say we're if we say we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it. We show up for it. We have a lot of habits that we're really good at. Some, because we're humans, we like, go up. But I it's also like, for me, I'm like, hold on before I say I'm gonna do that. Like, where is that going to end in my day? Because I don't want to be like, I didn't do that today, because I hate that feeling like, that is my worst feeling. So I too, am like, okay, hold on. But it's like, oh, for 50 days. Well, then I can really see if I like it, and I can also see if I got good at it. I could also see, like, you know, it didn't really change anything. So I can let it go.

Amy Ledin 24:21  

Totally. And writing it in a scripting way, like I find, like, even with my DACs, one area that I've changed with myself is the way you say things to your brain really matters, and it really needs to be identity shifting, and that you're like, I want to, I'm going to, you know, practice the guitar for 30 minutes every day for 50 days, because I want to show myself that committing to something that typically I resist because it's hard and there's a learning curve, like, go on with the details to yourself so that sticks more, because every day, like growth is hard, like I, I hate to break it to people. It's the only place, I mean, like, hardness is where you actually grow. And, I mean, it freaking sucks, like, when this came back and people are like, Oh, you'll grow. I'm like, you know, I don't want to, but I actually can appreciate after the fact that I'm like, there's another layer to me that I'm obviously, like, uncovering through this. I don't want to be told that right in the moment. I don't think anyone should, and I think that, you know, just and I really hate when people apologize and go, oh, but you have cancer. It is all relative to you. It's like trauma to your body. It doesn't matter if it's like you tripped over a pebble or you got shot by a gun, it's how your body reacted to that and how it sees it. So I never want to discount that, because I feel like my clients have just as big, they feel like just as big of problems in those moments, especially to their bodies, as it does to me. So it's really like trying to be aware of that and seeing your habits, like, why are you making this a habit? You know, what's the reason behind this? Like, I used to be one of those that like make especially when I, you know, probably around when I first met you, it was like making the list and doing the charts. I mean, I have like, seven different journals I was using and trying to, you know, color code. And it just was too much pause and go. I mean, why am I doing this? What is the long term gain of this habit right here? And really try to tie it to the identity that you're chasing. Like, is it gonna help your health character and you becoming like your best self? Is it, you know, or is this just like an ego booster that you're gonna post on Instagram, that you're doing cold plunges? What's the real reason behind it? Because I find that we are so, you know, geared to be like, now we're doing colostrum, next we're doing greens. And my habits to do 30 days of greens. 

Lesley Logan 26:45  

Oh my God, Amy, thank you so much. Everyone is like, on this colostrum kick. And I like, obviously, it's not human colostrum, but like, my sensitivity chart came back, and she's like, human colostrum. And I was like, that's so fascinating. Like, I'm not having that. But I'm also like, I'm also like, not gonna like, now I'm like, I'm like, all there's this. Everyone is like, and now we're on to this now. And it's so funny, because we have been on the on Instagram for work, and we see our friends, and it's like, I do have a cold plunge. I love my cold plunge. I am not going for 15 minutes. I get in there, and the first thing in the morning it wakes me up. That is why I do it. So for habits, why it's like I get it because I I have the hardest time remembering what day it is and why am I up in the morning. And I love the morning. So I get in and I read three books. They're each daily message books, because I wanted to read them. Yeah, I read, Gay Hendrick says, Your Big Leap Year. So I read one page of that. I read, I think it's Melody Beattie's, like Journey to the Heart, and I read someone else's and it's like I read, and they're often different messages, but I whatever one that sticks with me then I think about that as I go on my morning walk, and that's how I do it. And I found that was taking me a long time to get out on the morning walk, so I have a cold plunge for that, but I find, to your point of the why, why are you doing this? Because it's the end thing to do. It's what they're saying the next perimenopausal woman should be doing or shouldn't be doing, because I have people like, you shouldn't be cold plunging. I'm like, back off. It makes me feel good.

Amy Ledin 28:12  

It's a crazy world. I mean, I'm even in the industry, and I even say, wow, I feel for females these days. Because you know what? You get really bamboozled. I mean, people even, like they're doing a real they'll even show, over here, like a medical journal study, that they'll pop up and go and according to this, you should, well, now, if you're smart like me, and you want to be, you know, funny, you go check what that is. Well, it'll be like a research study on like, 85 year olds. And I'm like, man, context, please. But because they're like, a white coat doctor, and they're coming, you know, like, and they have 100,000 followers. And trust me, I am guilty of it too. When I was looking for back help, I'm not a chiropractor, so, like, I'm at the mercy of what I find. It's just like a person coming to the fat loss space, right? So I'm looking at, like, oh, they have a million followers. I mean, you see this in the Pilates space. Like, it's really, really scary. I think we're going to get back going full circle. It'll start to be referral. People are only going to trust who has because now everyone's been through something, and they've all had an experience. So now they're like, tell me who you (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 29:18  

I actually agree with you, because of all the AI stuff. Like, now I'm like, I actually go to Brad and go is this real? Do you think this is real before, like, I share it because, like, it's so easy, and now there's so much marketing that's using chat bots and AI that I think people are gonna stop using the socials to find even though that's where they it's been going that way to start finding things. I think people are gonna stop because it's gonna be referral. Because, like, you do. You know a real human who's acting like a real human, and it's but I agree. I mean, you're in the fat loss space. I'm in the Pilates space. I have so many people going, well, this is Pilates, and I'm like, no, honey, it's not, but no, I'm not going to go around telling people what is and isn't, because I'm not here to be in a fight with people. I'm here to help people. So I'm not going to help with an imitation.

Amy Ledin 29:59  

We're the same. I don't have enough time in my day to come hate on what you're doing. You if you think what you're doing is working for you, do it. I support you. And I think there's more than one way. Now, I think Pilates and I think even strength training, there are certain biomechanical like things to it. But I am not going to be a person that's a coach that sits and just like trashes everybody else you know, and does videos about them. I don't think that that helps, you know, personally, I think, and maybe it does, but the energy that I would be working in in that space would never make me be a creator in the way that I want to be, because I think I'd just be, you know. 

Lesley Logan 30:35  

Oh, I just think in the industry you have, yeah, and I think so I feel like I love the honesty and like, it's so I mean, like most of the people listening are women, it is so easy to be bamboozled, but what I love about you and your ideas here, it's like, what do you want? Like, what do you want? And then why do you want it? Because I actually don't think that your why has to be something stellar, but you do have to know why. Because I think, like, do you want to run a marathon because you want a habit of running? Well, then we can, we should probably don't have to run a marathon. We can change the habit. Or are you wanting to run because you have a friend that you want to keep up? Or is it because you want to, like, what's the why? So that you can, one, test the habit, and your Five for 50, or two, maybe it's the wrong habit, like, maybe that's not the thing that you should be doing. Once you figure out the why, there might be an easier or more accessible one to you.

Amy Ledin 31:29  

And make the habit something that long term is going to give you the biggest bang for your buck. Maybe it's not following a macro plan right away. Maybe it's actually meal prepping, like I, you know, I tell people, do you have to earn the right to lose fat? So like my daughter Kamele, this last year wanted to go on like, her first diet, and she's 22 and so I said, well, before I'm even going to give you a meal plan that has macros on it, you need to prove to me that you're actually going to live the identity of the fit person. Fit people, they prep meals. Fit people have a fridge full of stuff. They don't come home and have like, I mean, that's just not how they live. They fuel themselves, right? So I said, what I want you to do is just set some meal times improve over the next few weeks that you're going to pack meals. I don't even care if it's I don't care what it is that you're packing. It's the habit of the identity of that person. And then I broke down the macros, and it's great, because she doesn't associate, like being a fit person, because she's lost 20 pounds, because she just dialed in and titrated those meals. But it was all about the identity of that fit person and how now she's like, I don't associate it. She goes, it's funny. In fact, everyone at my work, she works at Lulu, and they're like, wow, Kamele, you started eating more, and now you're like, 20 pounds lighter, because she was, like, packing her meals and being on a set, you know, routine with it, and fueling herself, right? And so, plus, it taught her too, this was it's not about your macro breakdown, honey, because she even lost weight, even just packing the meals and, like, living that way. I said, it's because you were intentional. You were prioritizing protein. You were eating on on a, on a, on a routine, like set times your leptin and ghrelin, like that, like, so find those five like in those habits. Maybe it's something that's going to get you the bigger you know, the lower hanging fruit. And honestly, to the brain, meal prep sounds a lot easier than follow my macros 100% for 50 days. That can seem really daunting to the person that's like, struggled, maybe they've had food issues or binge issues and all that. 

Lesley Logan 33:26  

I think this is I will always highlight. I love when, like, all my friends who are coaches of this space, most people are just not eating enough, and they're not eating intentionally. And so, like, I just, like, want to highlight, yes, well, you can often eat more and lose weight, if that's the journey you want to go on, most people start eating enough or not eating the right things. But I love, you brought up, this a couple times, so let's just break it down. Identity, like the identity of the person. So it's like, it's beyond the why. It's like, who you want to be and what do they do, and then doing that now.

Amy Ledin 33:59  

Yes, it's totally around your Be It, it's like you need to write. I mean, it's like, we make our clients create a health character. What does she look like? What is she wearing? What does her daily routine look like? What's her fridge look like? What's her closet look like? What size is she wearing? Not that those matter, but they do to your brain to start to really see and paint the picture, because they've done too many studies in all these areas, whether it be, I mean, lottery winners, big, huge studies on why do almost 95% of them go bankrupt after we're talking like tens of millions of dollars if they win. Because, you know what, their identity is, still of a poor person. Right? So fat loss, 95% of people that lose it actually regain, it's already hard enough to lose it, so you work so hard to get there. So I don't, it's why that's such a big part of the component for our clients is the last thing I want to do is see you in two years from now, because you just got really good at disciplining yourself for a season. I want this to be who you are, and you got to commit to who that person is, and what does that look like for that person. You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 35:02  

Yeah, yeah. So I think that's, it is totally Be It. It's just like, it's like, I want to start a business. Like, well, what does that person do with okay, the business is working. It's rolling. It's all the things you thought it would be like, how do they get up? What do they wear? What is their schedule like? What is that happening? And then, because you start to do the things or thinking like that. It makes it so much easier to step up the next thing, yeah, no, the macros thing like. 

Amy Ledin 35:25  

It's not a threat. And look at it from a brain standpoint, your brain does not see it as a threat. It comes back to like, it's like the Sasha Fierce with Beyonce, like that was a create a character she created. My business character, I named her Amy Blakely. It's after Sarah Blakely. I pretend that I try to show up as her because I'm not as outgoing and as creative and fun and bubbly as Sarah. But when I create that character, my current self doesn't see it as a threat. If I just say I'm just playing this role, you know, I'm coming on the podcast, playing a role that helps me show up as my best self. Like I think a lot of us, like, forget that we have to, you know, we got to do it enough to become it, right?

Lesley Logan 36:05  

Yes, yes. Well, I think, like, so many people go, oh, this is like, I don't want to fake it till I make it. You're not because, like, I have found, you know, like, you have a bad, let's just say you have a bad night's sleep, but you have a presentation that day. You don't go and go, guys, I'm so tired, and give you a presentation. No, you step up to the person who could be the person who believes that does a presentation nine times out of 10. You actually feel better when the presentation is over, because you you are acting as if you're the person who was doing a great presentation and became that person. That is what's happening. Yes, yeah.

Amy Ledin 36:38  

And epigenetics shows us like, you know, if you follow Nicole LePera, I've got to give her credit, she's been doing these, what they call Future Self Journaling, where she believes that every day you should script out your day. We do a version of it in our community where I want them to even script out like their their day as a as their health character. And because of what we've seen in the brain is that the more that you wire that future of like it sure, it's not who you are yet, but it's who you want to be. Your brain actually doesn't see the difference, and they're now seeing that the brain wires that way. So if you're in your 40s, 50s or older, I always say if you have struggled with fat loss, and you are already at this age, you have a rewiring issue that you need to address. Because if 95, 91% of your thoughts every day are the same, statistics will show me, you will continue to come back to this old person that you say you are and talk about and believe in. So if you're trying to become like a business owner and become like owning a Pilates studio or whatever it may be, you have to start scripting. And the older you get, and I just say it's (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 37:40  

So like, do you just like script out like, 5 a.m. 6 a.m. or do you like go, I am so and so doing this, like, what does it look like?

Amy Ledin 37:46  

It's doing this, it's more of a behavior like you'll have an outline of, like, I, you know, as I wake up today, I effortlesly, you know, keep my small promises in the morning. And you might at first detail them out, because the whole point is to this doesn't change very often, your script stays the same because you're trying to work on an area of your life, like in therapy. It's like, if you're an overreactor, if you're struggling with worthiness, it's it's a daily thing, because you're trying to show that you can change who you are, and now epigenetics is proving it, which is positive. Because here's the thing, you may have been born into someone because now they're showing with epigenetics, like it's connected even in the womb. So that really was hard for me, because when I got pregnant with Leilani, I was in a really, you know, I it was broke up my family, you know, I'd had an affair. So my pregnancy came in a place where it was a very unwanted pregnancy, and I talked, probably very negatively to myself. Well, this next book that Nicola is coming out with talks all about how they're showing and so those children can actually already be born anxious and have like attachment styles based on just the way that you have talked. So at first I was like, man, what a depressing thing to hear. But her whole point is to teach us like we're all broken humans, like we've all come from some sort of crap. And so the power of this book was to teach us that our brain is actually the neuroplasticity and our ability to change. If you're an introvert, you can become an extrovert. If like you are, you know, you say you're one way, you really can actually change. And it's doesn't take long, you know, it's 50. It's kind of similar to habits. It's about that 60 day mark we're we've tested it out with clients. I've done beta testing, and now we make it a part of our program where for 60 days, I have to do this journaling, because I'm so tired of women grunting their way to reaching their goals. I want it to pull you. I want your identity to pull you to become that. And a lot of them are starting to go why is it suddenly feeling easier to meal prep stuff that I like my lazy self, you know, is always fighting. I'm like, because you're scripting about a new person, and your brain is just seeing that is the place I need to go. It's like, it doesn't even know the difference. It just thinks it needs to do it. So less resistance. So same thing with these habits. Try to find, you know, some connection to that identity, the way you write it because you want to have less resistance. You don't want to be like you know, otherwise you will try to use motivation to do it and it never is lasting. 

Lesley Logan 40:09  

Motivation is this interesting thing that everyone thinks they need. Once I'm motivated, and it's like you just, and we'll talk about this in the habit series I've got coming out. Like motivation is one of the worst things you can it will help with something really hard. Like, if you have to do something that's really difficult, motivation is very helpful to, like, it's like the starter in the car. It only works to start the car, right? This is as far as my car metaphor is gonna go, because that's all I know about cars. And then it's like all the others. It's the gasoline. It's you putting the gas, putting your foot on the pedal, all that stuff. So but people think it's gonna, it's gonna show up every day. I cannot wait to be motivated to do anything. I would get nothing done. Nothing would none of the things I built would have have been built because of motivation. 

Amy Ledin 40:51  

Yep, yep. And it's kind of aligned with willpower. I will say a book, I don't know if you've read it, but you would love it, and he'd be a great person to have on because I think he's a small author. It's called Willpower Doesn't Work, and it is a whole book on he's got studies in there, charts that show essentially that it is all about your environment. Like that is the key that most people it's it's everything, whether it be friendships, it be your actual physical environment, that that is way better than because willpower is finite, and like, you can't count on that. It's why, in the morning the cupcake is less tempting than, say, like, at night. So like, instead of, like, having the willpower of having that cupcake here all day, why is it at night? I want it. You need to see that your environment is more powerful. Hey, decision fatigue at the end of the night, I don't need to have things out that I'm already weak to or, anyways, you would just love it, because it's just made me stop shaming myself for stuff that I'm like, seriously, I need to change the environment. You know, I've even said to clients, the best time to really change a big habit, like a bad habit, like, I had a client, she's like, every night we sit on the couch, we eat a snack. I said, Hey, when's your next time you're out of town? Because having a break from your environment and then coming back into it is the best time to shift into a new habit. Now for the next several days, don't even sit on the couch like let your brain completely because it is all about connection and loops, you know, for most of us at this age.

Lesley Logan 42:16  

It's true. It's true. This year that I'm doing we talk about how to unravel a habit you don't like, and it's one of the things, and I'll dive deeper in the episode, but it's like, how what is the prompt that starts the sitting down on the couch? There is something that starts that, and if you don't know what that something is, you can get rid of your couch, and you're still gonna find something to sit on, because there's a prompt there. 

Amy Ledin 42:39  

It's true. And yes, because it's it started earlier. I have a client right now that we've realized her overwhelm with work makes her go to any like, highly palette. It doesn't have to be chocolate chips. At first, she's like, it's the chocolate chips. I'm like, girl, no, tomorrow will be something different, but it's not about the pantry. I'm like, it starts earlier. And that you start to see failure in your day and overwhelm, and that loop is when I'm failing okay, this is kind of like my coping mechanism, you know, so much, and so it's interesting. I'm like, man, I feel like we're therapy one on one. But even in, you know, someone that wants to have a business, they're all parallel, all of it, because it's a personal development journey.

Lesley Logan 43:18  

Everything, whatever it is, like, that's why I like that identity and like you can see yourself in like different things. Anything that you want to do, and how it's like it, it we, it works the same. You, it's you have to prepare the environment. You have to know why you want to do it, and then you have to tell you have to believe that you can. And I think like because like you, you cannot shame yourself into something you want. It will not work. And you talk about, like, the clients, like, grit themselves to getting there, and then they're just be back in two years, because nothing changed, and they didn't become who they wanted to be on that journey. Oh my gosh. Okay. I mean, I, obviously, I could talk to you forever about this, because, like, this is just something I like to nerd about. But I just love that we think the same way on this, because it's really, it's really easy, I think, for people to, like, want to start 17 new things at the same time, or like, they, you know, and like, it's an I have to do it for an hour, and it's like, hold on, like, let's, you know, we got to adjust the timeline of what it is. And I really think, you know, making sure you know why you want to do it. The script thing is a really cool thing to add to it. I have to say, like, I kind of like the idea of like writing yourself a script for the day and how it's gonna go, that's a be it till you see it, and also, like a manifestation and a drawing in, I think that's really beautiful, Amy. Well, we're gonna take a quick break, and we're gonna find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, and then we're gonna do your Be It Action Items. 

Amy Ledin 44:36  

Okay. 

Lesley Logan 44:37  

All right, Amy, where do you hang out? Where can they stalk you in the best way? 

Amy Ledin 44:42  

I am, I'm on Instagram, you know, under amy_ledin if you are, like, still a Facebook person, though, I will say that is, like, where our business really lands. So it's under Lean Bodies Consulting. I post daily there, and then, you know, by the time this episode's out, my podcast, you know, which is called F* It! so you can find me there.

Lesley Logan 45:00  

I love your podcast. It's so great. I also want to say, like, I admire that you take pauses when you need to with it, because I think you are so good at podcasting. You're so wonderful at it. All of your episodes I've ever listened to are so good. And you're also allowed to be a human and take time for yourself. You have given us so much already, but you know how the show goes, we need Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps people can take to be it till they see it. I mean, the whole episode kind of was one, but anything you want to add or remind us.

Amy Ledin 45:29  

Well, you know what? I actually tied it to your acronym, to the DACs, and it's like, bold, one agreement that matters, like, pick one, like, maybe you need to start just with one. Executable is your E, you know, like, write it in real words, not vague. So be specific on what you're really shooting for. The intrinsic is link it to how you want to feel, not just like, how much you want to weigh, how much money. Like, how do you really want to feel there? What's the money? What's the scale going to give you? And then targeted, today, not someday. Like, be very specific.

Lesley Logan 46:01  

Oh, my God, that's brilliant. You're so good. I love it so much, you guys. I can't even wait to hear how this episode goes. It's just so fun to have you back and see what you're up to, and also just be reminded of, like, how powerful we all really are. Our minds are really powerful. And I love the science behind that. That book sounds amazing. I can't wait to read it. I'll have to have it on. You know what, before I go. And I'm gonna say this, because, in case anyone knows this person, I'm trying to get hold of them, there's a book called Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a little series on, like a self like, a week long series on self-love. Because everybody who talks about, I burnt out, I'm this. And the book the author, he says, You'll never burn out if you actually love yourself. Because if you truly loved yourself, you wouldn't say yes, when you mean no, you would actually, like take time for yourself. And that's so like, I think those two books sound like a nice little bookend, but also, like everything we're talking about here today, it's, it's all part of it, you know, it's all like holistic it's, we're not little compartments. So thank you for being you, Amy. You guys, make sure you check out her Instagram, her podcast, her Facebook. Tell her what your favorite takeaways are. You can tell me, I love it, but also tell her these words of affirmation are our love language also lets us know what your favorite parts are. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. You know, it's actually kind of difficult to go through all these like 5 for 50 alone. Sometimes it's kind of nice to have some friends to do it with, or your kiddos to do it with. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 47:27  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 48:10  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 48:14  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 48:19  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 48:26  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 48:29  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

This week’s FYF lands right in the season of gratitude, and Lesley leans into the joy and clarity that come from naming the moments that matter. She shares a playful morning ritual, highlights a heartfelt reflection from eLevate member Ainsley, and opens up about how this podcast has reshaped her own sense of purpose as she grows older — a reminder that celebrating even the smallest steps keeps you grounded in your growth.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why a short morning dance can shift your energy before stepping into your day.
• How choosing a personal “power song” boosts confidence and sets your tone.
• How Ainsley’s eLevate win highlights the clarity that comes from naming your gratitude.
• How mentorship and community support help you show up more authentically.
• How Lesley’s reflection on podcasting can reshape how you see your own growth.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. Oh my God, a Friday. That's a holiday. Hopefully you have it off. I'm obsessed with taking holidays off that I don't do a lot of celebration on, and it's not like Brad and I just don't really cook Thanksgiving meal, and I don't even go to a lot of them, or we're invited. But like, there's something about like, the world is celebrating a day, or not the world, because this is Thanksgiving, so people are celebrating a day, and we're just like, putzing around, like, I love it, but that's not my win. This is about celebrating your wins, my wins, and being inspired and having an affirmation and reminding ourselves that like perfect is boring, being until you see it takes time. And my goodness, we're gonna start bragging about the things we do and inspiring others to do the same. So your inspiration for today, everyone's trying to sell you something. And, yeah, me too on OPC, but, but, but, really, what I want you to enjoy and get a kick out of this says the rule is you have to dance a little in the morning before you leave the house, because it changes the way you walk out into the world. And it reminds me of one of the episodes we had where she said you need to pick your be it till you see it song, and then you need to listen to it every day. And she said you have to listen to it. I'm like this inspiration is asking us to dance a little before we leave the house, because it changes the way we walk out into the world. So what song you're gonna play right now and dance to it on the world? I used to play Level Up every morning in my studio before my clients showed up. This was in 2018 and then I had a different song in 2019 but I'm telling you, it changed, it changed how I approached the whole day, because I was like, Oh my God, I am starting new companies, and I am in charge of the vision of where these are going and and also I still have to teach. And I'm I love this so much. I love, love, love this. And if you go to the link to watch it on Instagram, it's this cute little girl who is just, like, dancing. She is just dancing. This other little girl is like, I think I want to dance like she is. She's like, a little shy. The girl who's staring at her was like, that's me. That's me going, can I be her? Like, can I do that? And I'm telling you right now, we need to do it. We need to do it. You need to do it. So go out, well, don't, before you go out, play a song and then go out into the world being it till you see it. I'm obsessed with this one. 

Lesley Logan 3:16  

So, okay, your wins. Ainsley Walker is back, and you know what I love about Ainsley is that reading her wins makes me relive I feel like I'm living the moment, watching in a movie. And you don't have to be so eloquent in the way you write your wins, but I'm just saying like, write your wins like you're like you're sharing it in a journal. You can relive them if you can, if you have the time, right? It really helps you reflect. So, wow, wow, wow. So this is both a win and a massive thank you. I chose this one because we are in a gratitude season, right? LL, Brad and Meredith, I could have put this in the eLevate group, but I would feel so selfish to all of you who perhaps haven't done eLevate yet. So I say it yet because it's a must. I arrived back last night from an incredible few days in Vegas with all the other eLevate retreaters. What was it? What was incredible is that no matter how experienced or new everyone was, they still had lots to learn and share from all in each other. We have moved lots and had so much fun taking time and investment to step out and do this. Felt big, but the outcome was more than I imagined. It reflected back to me with clarity, what I want my future and how to go about things for my own practice, my clients and my business. It's going to be exact an exciting few months, but first I'm going to move my happy jet-lagged body on my beautiful new mini barrel. Thank you all. Oh Ainsley, of course, you are so welcome, but also, thank you, because when you show up for yourself, it allows everyone else to show up for themselves, right? And so yes, thank you for the gratitude you are sending back to us. Of course, we love doing this, but we we can't do it without people like you who show up as authentically as you do, and then and give so generously and receive so much, right? And I'm just so excited because I have seen how the next few minutes went, and I have seen what you're doing, and it's nothing short of, remarkable is the wrong word, short of like, it's more than what you detail to me that you dreamed of, and I'm so stoked because you did it. You've been being it till you see it, since the moment we did Cambodia together, and I, the first time. And eLevate was so beautiful. I'm so glad you're in it. And for those who don't understand what I wonder what eLevate is, it's my mentorship program next year is completely sold out, but 2027 has a couple spots and I do a retreat with them at the house every year, and it's special to me because it's what Jay gave to me, and Jay's teachers gave to me, and I want to pay that forward into my own way and in a way that allows people to show up fully, authentically themselves, right? So thank you, Ainsley, because without you, I couldn't do what I'm wanting to do. 

Lesley Logan 6:02  

All right, so it, it is an FYF, but it's also, you know, a season of gratitude. And I have a lot to be grateful for this year. The world is on fire. I have had more than my fair share of obstacles and frustrations in life and in business. What's fun is I get to sit here and record this early in a state of I'm actually extremely grateful. I'm grateful for the person I was when I envisioned this business so many years ago. I'm grateful for the people who've been part of it. I'm grateful massively for my team. I'm grateful for my dear, amazing friends. I am the point man who I love, people who don't need to talk to me every day. I like best friends who can talk every week or every other week, or maybe not for a month, but we can pick up where we started, like I love I'm so grateful because my friends are that, and they get that, and they understand that, and because this is Be It Till You See It Podcast, I know we say this often in the recaps, but you have to know that I'm so grateful for you, because this podcast has actually changed my perspective of myself and who I want to become and how I want to be it till I see it as I get older, and not in a way like I'm getting older, but like, what beauty can come as I get older and who I want to become, and so without you listening, I wouldn't get to do this. You don't just get to do a podcast just because, you know, you want to people do have to listen. I mean, I could, but then it would just be a fucking expensive, very expensive task, because you listen, because you listen, because you share your wins, because you send your questions in, because you send in your takeaways, it pushes me to become better at this every each and every year, and each interview has challenged me to be it till I see it in an in a better way. And isn't that how it is, like we envision, like what we want, and then the result is even better. Sometimes we don't get we want, but we got something better. And that is how I feel. And so I'm just absolutely so fucking grateful for you. And in case no one's told you that, today, I'm grateful for you. So go out there and Be It Till You See It. Thank you so much. Have an amazing day. 

Lesley Logan 8:18  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 9:00  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:05  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 9:10  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:17  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:20  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the powerful conversation with keynote speaker and coach John Mollura, exploring how perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking quietly chip away at your self-trust. They unpack why these three all stem from fear, how they derail the small promises you make to yourself, and why that matters more than you think. This recap is your reminder that confidence isn’t a mystery; it’s built through honest awareness and daily follow-through.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The shift from self-judgment to a seeker mindset that opens new direction.
• How changing lanes later in life reflects growth rather than starting over.
• The Big Three that derail meaningful actions by operating from fear.
• Breaking your own commitments as the root cause behind loss of self-trust.
• Why honoring tiny choices today makes you a hero to your future self.

Episode References/Links:

• Black Friday Cyber Monday Sale - https://opc.me/bfcm
• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates on Tour - https://www.pilates.com
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• John Mollura's Website - https://www.johnmollura.com
• John Mollura’s Free Resources - https://www.johnmollura.com/freestuff
• Episode 119: John Mollura - https://beitpod.com/ep119
• Episode 592: Dr. Jill Allen - https://beitpod.com/ep592

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• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

These three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? 

Lesley Logan 0:15  

Drum roll please. 

Brad Crowell 0:18  

Fear.

Lesley Logan 0:21  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the encouraging convo I have with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then listen to this one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. They're fun, back-to-back, to be completely honest, in whatever order you want to do. And John Mollura, he said this is his second time on the pod. 

Brad Crowell 1:28  

Yeah, the first one he was in the hundos. 

Lesley Logan 1:27  

Yeah. I know. Is that crazy? It's insane. 

Brad Crowell 1:28  

Yeah, yeah. Like this probably puts him almost 500 episodes ago. 

Lesley Logan 1:34  

I know. Who else should we bring back? Send it in, guys. 

Brad Crowell 1:38  

Let us know. 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

Today is Thursday, November 27th 2025 and for Americans, it is Turkey Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:46  

It's Thanksgiving Day. 

Lesley Logan 1:47  

Yes, but it's also for Americans and anyone else wants to celebrate, Un-Thanksgiving Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:54  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 1:54  

Let's, before people get upset, this is what Un-Thanksgiving Day is. It's also known as National Day of Mourning, or Indigenous People's Sunrise Ceremony, is commemorated on the fourth Thursday in November. That is on purpose, because, well, I'll tell you more in a second, this place, it takes a place on November 27th but it just happens on to be on the same Thursday as Thanksgiving, because it's always the fourth Thursday. And it actually there's a big thing over on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay to honor the indigenous peoples of America and promote their rights. And the reason why we do this is because, well, there's also, naturally a mourning is what they do in Boston, but what they do in happened in at Alcatraz is when it was no longer being used as a prison, the indigenous people went and took over the island, and they lived in it and inhabited and controlled it for 19 months. And it's kind of amazing. It's basically them taking their land back, which is very beautiful on we didn't do this because we'll have episodes come on Monday, but I really love that on Columbus Day, the day formerly known as Columbus Day in this household, but known as Indigenous People's Day, somebody, somebody posted a meme that said a reminder that on this day in 1492 indigenous people discovered Columbus lost at sea, or whatever day it was. I don't know if I heard the year correctly, but I love it. It's like, yeah, you fucking discovered this place. You so. So anyways, if you're like me and Brad, sometimes these holidays are kind of hard to celebrate, because, like, of course, I want to spend time with family. Of course I'll spend time with friends. Of course, we need days off, and we do need some joy, but I think finding new ways to educate ourselves and then celebrate those people is wise. 

Brad Crowell 3:48  

Yeah, or just to have some clarity around the history of a holiday, you know, like, like, like, historically, the Romans would take the conquered people's holidays, and, you know, morph them so that the people could still celebrate, and then over time, things would change, you know. And now, all of a sudden, we have, you know, things like Christmas or Halloween or whatever, you know. And they've been, they've been basically taken over, and Thanksgiving is, is, I don't think Thanksgiving was taken over, but Thanksgiving has a different premise.

Lesley Logan 4:22  

There's a folkloric story about, like, what happened I'm like this, but (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 4:25  

But it's, well, it's, yeah, it's well, it's, it's that, you know, we came, we saw, we conquered, kind of thing and we did that. But it's a day of thanks, right? Thanks for this new land that we took from people. So, you know, thank you for that.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

It's like a bully kicking a kid taking a lunch, going, thanks, man.

Brad Crowell 4:43  

You know, so so I still think that we can have a day where we we are thankful for the things that we have and family and those things. But I think it's also fair to to to recognize that, you know, like that, like for the native people of this continent. They they want to remember their history too, and the genocide of indigenous people that happened when we came over here, so.

Lesley Logan 5:12  

Yeah, and I just think, like, Hallmark washing, and no offense to that company, but like, just making everything, like this beautiful day to like, you know, go out and buy decorations and all this different stuff. It's like, I think you can have a day of thanks, I think. But I also think, like, it is, it is important that we're educating ourselves about the people that have been hurt by this kind of stuff, and also, like, have a day of thanks and be thankful for them and what they did on, you know, for this land before we got here. 

Brad Crowell 5:39  

Yeah, Thanks for Thanks for going down that journey with us. 

Lesley Logan 5:42  

Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving Day. 

Brad Crowell 5:44  

Yeah, it's intentionally on Thanksgiving every year. It's the fourth, same as the fourth, fourth Thursday of November. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

So and you know what? Here's the deal, if you're like guys, thanks, totally understand. You know, honor them every day. And I love Thanksgiving. That is very, very cool. But for some people who are having a hard time right now with this holiday, we just gave you one. You're welcome.

Brad Crowell 6:04  

Yeah, all right. Coming up it is. We are in the middle of our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale right now for OPC, onlinepilatesclasses.com. Just go to, actually check your emails. But I want to say it's opc.me/bfcm, Black Friday Cyber Monday, for the short link for that. In December, in literally a week, we leave and we hit the road. We are driving to Colorado. We're gonna be in Colorado Springs. We're not gonna review all the days and the locations and all the things.

Lesley Logan 6:32  

There's 23 of them. 

Brad Crowell 6:33  

There are 23 cities, public stops there. And we have, you know, definitely more than 50% sold out. We are more than that already as we're recording this, and you know. 

Lesley Logan 6:44  

Powered by Balanced Body, so we're gonna be bringing our Controlology line with us. We'll have some prizes from them. You don't have to be a Pilates instructor to come. You don't even have to have done Pilates for you to come. (inaudible) my fucking friends have come, and they don't, have never done it before. So you are welcome to bring a family member or ditch them and say that you have something to do for work. It's important. Everyone understands. So go to opc.me/tour for tickets in the remaining stops. And then what's also happening later in December, because we're not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale for Profitable Pilates this year, we are doing something special December 26th through the 31st so, but you'll need to have the be on the email list for Profitable Pilates. So if you're not on that list, you need to get on that list, yeah, and go do that. And then after our tour is over, we come home. I fix my roots, I change my nails, I launch a mentorship program, and then we drive out to Huntington Beach. 

Brad Crowell 7:40  

I think I'll shave while you're doing all those things. 

Lesley Logan 7:40  

I mean, you'll have your shave going on, but you'll probably need a trim. So we're gonna go, we'll be at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. It's the first time the Pilates Journal is doing an event in the States. It's a humongous lineup of teachers, some that I, who I used to take from when I was a baby Pilates person, and some that I've taught how to teach. So it's kind of crazy. So you'll want to go to the Pilates Journal Expo to join us on that party, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Then we're home for a little bit, thank goodness, because, like everybody and their mom is wanting to visit in February, and, oh, there's more in January. 

Brad Crowell 8:05  

Yeah, there's more in Jan. So we're gonna be.

Lesley Logan 8:12  

It's also my birthday. I don't see that on the events list.

Brad Crowell 8:17  

For those of you who've been interested in joining us on a Pilates retreat where we hang out, we decompress from all the insanity that this life has for us. Each and every one of us is different. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Get yourself on the waitlist. In January, we're going to be doing our pre sale, our early bird for our retreat for next year, which will be in October at our home in Cambodia. We're actually going to be doing a call at the middle end of January. It's not yet on the calendar exactly, but we're going to have a call, and we're going to interview a couple of our past attendees. We're going to hang out, we're going to talk about the trip and all the things that everybody's ever wanted to know. It's going to be great. So come join us for that, but you got to be on the waitlist for that. Go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist. And then in February, something that is really I'm passionate about as well, is Agency Mini. Okay, so as you know, we coach Pilates business owners, and we have a coaching program and all those fun things. But people ask, you know, often look at it and go, I don't know if I'm ready for a six month commitment. No problem. That's why we created Agency Mini, and it's a three-day program. Okay? Used to be seven. We've shrunk it down to three, because we all know how crazy life actually is. It is a really powerful three days, and you should join us for that. Go to prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O.

Lesley Logan 9:35  

And then we get on our plane for the first time in almost six months. 

Brad Crowell 9:39  

Which is insane. 

Lesley Logan 9:40  

Insane but so delicious. I'm sitting here knowing we have six months not. 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

Of no flying. 

Lesley Logan 9:46  

So it's the really ridiculous thing. But I saw it on the day we were at the airport some reel which is like, Have you ever been to the airport and you realize, like, every time I go to the airport, it is everybody's first time on this earth. And so I was just like looking at people, and honestly, I had more empathy for them. I'm like, well, it's their first time here. And then we pull a move where we like, just stop in the middle of the airport, like you did, like, like people do, and then we're just like, turn and like, I'm like, so sorry. 

Brad Crowell 10:11  

Cutting people off. Oops.

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Like, I was like, oops, I'm so sorry. It's our first time on this planet. They didn't understand what I was saying. But I laugh my heart out. But anyways, we're home for six months, and then when we get on a plane, it's a big deal because we are going to be in three different countries, teaching in the content, continent of Europe, because I can't say the EU anymore, since the Brexit. So school year, we're starting to right, I have to like London and England is its own thing. 

Brad Crowell 10:37  

Almost positive. 

Lesley Logan 10:38  

I have to say, like the European continent, so annoying, but we'll just say,

Brad Crowell 10:44  

Yeah, it's considered part of Europe geographically. 

Lesley Logan 10:46  

But not the EU. 

Brad Crowell 10:47  

Although technically it's the European continental shelf. Anyway, no, it's not the EU but it is part of Europe.

Lesley Logan 10:54  

It's like when we were in John o'Groats, and we had to be so specific, we couldn't say we were at the top of the UK. We had to say we're at the top of the mainland UK.

Brad Crowell 10:58  

Right. Because there are islands north of the mainland.

Lesley Logan 11:01  

Or top of mainland Scotland. So okay, so in March, we're going to be in Poland at the Controlology Pilates Conference, xxll.co/poland Karen Frischmann is doing that with me, and it's really fun. We haven't been back there in a couple of years. Really, really great time. Really cool people there. So I can't wait to see you guys. And then the next weekend we'll be in Brussels. Els Studio tells and you want to go to xxll.co/brussels same, two teachers, very different workshops, also private sessions. So choose the adventure you want to go on, check out both lineups, and pick the one you want to go to or come to both and hang out with us in two different countries, why not? And then in April, Brad and I will be at the POT in London. We're very excited about it, it's my first POT in London, (inaudible) I know it's, it's gonna be a great time. It's gonna be a really fun to see all those people. So pick the one you want, my European fabulous people, because that's it for 2026. That's all there is. 

Brad Crowell 11:59  

So xxll.co/poland or slash Brussels. Eventually we might have slash London, but they're not. They don't even have a landing page up yet to buy tickets for that. 

Lesley Logan 12:08  

From the time that we're recording this. 

Brad Crowell 12:08  

Yeah, we're just, we're putting it on your radar. So go to pilates.com and go see their continuing education. That's where they have all that information about future POTs Pilates On Tour. 

Brad Crowell 12:19  

All right, so this week, we had a question for you from Natalie. 

Lesley Logan 12:25  

Hit me with it. 

Brad Crowell 12:27  

@nathalieds9011 asks on YouTube about the video, How to Take Your Pilates Practice Outdoors. She said, hey, how about doing Pilates outdoors during winter in Madrid, which is where I am, winter is not extreme. I have a big terrace, which is where I do Pilates. Since inside my apartment, there's just not that much space for me to move.

Lesley Logan 12:43  

I mean, if you live somewhere where it's beautiful in the winter, fuck yeah. Do it outside. Tag me in a video. Take one of my classes on OPC, or Pilates Anytime or on YouTube. And I want to see your, I want to live vicariously through you, because, let me tell you, I would love being in Madrid in the winter. Instead, I am in the winter places. 

Brad Crowell 13:04  

I'm in the winter places.

Lesley Logan 13:04  

I'm in the places where winter happens. But I would, love that's great. I mean, like, when I did that video, I was being conscious of, like, if I say, you do it outdoors, I'm gonna get someone say I can't. It's negative 21 degrees here, and it's gonna be 115 here. So I have to, like, you know, be considerate, because some people just don't feel seen. So you, my dear, are in the blessed space. We actually have a couple OPC members who also live in Spain, and they do their Pilates outside all year long. So please, rock on. Do it, but, but basically, when you're doing Pilates outside, there's just things to consider. You can check out that video we did on YouTube, because I'm not gonna list the exhaust, exhaustive list that I gave on there, but we just did Pilates in Cambodia, and something we have to consider is, like bugs, you know, rain. We can do it in the rain there, because we have a covered patio, but as long as the rain isn't going sideways, which can happen, then we have these things that we bring down to make the walls. So it's not so much water on the patio, but the mosquitoes don't care, so we have to we have extra fans that like make it harder for them to land, you know. So there's just things you want to think about when you're doing Pilates outside, and I have blue eyes, it is really difficult for me to do outside Pilates when there's no cover. I was doing, early in the spring, I was doing yoga outside in the morning, and it was fine, as long as I was in down dog, but the moment I came up, the sun was in my face, and I was like, well, this isn't this is terrible. I need sunglasses, but you can't do sunglasses. You can't work out with sunglasses. So like you just it looks stunning. Just make sure you have things set up so that you're not constantly distracted from your workout, about being outside. You know that's all. 

Brad Crowell 13:06  

Love it. 

Lesley Logan 13:06  

If you have a question, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534, or submit them at beitpod.com/questions, where I would like you to send a win as well. I'm being demanding here. Come on. You have a win in your life. You do. You wanna know something, one of our retreaters would. 

Brad Crowell 13:06  

You wanna know something. 

Lesley Logan 13:06  

You wanna know something. One of our, one of our retreaters shared a win one day after our retreat. She said, I only said, I'm sorry two times. It was amazing. Like, if you walk around like, that's a fucking win. Huge win. Instead of walking around, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, she just said, excuse me, and then when she needed to, she said, I'm sorry, and she's like, oh, two times it was such a win. So those are the wins I want to hear. I don't need to hear, like, I have my biggest launch ever. Okay, great. That's wonderful. I'm super excited for you, and you can send that in, but like, there were little wins along the way. And if you don't celebrate those you are, you're unlikely to feel fulfilled for a long period of time. So send them in. 

Brad Crowell 13:37  

Yeah, I just looked up on our board we have a win. 

Lesley Logan 13:37  

Great. 

Brad Crowell 13:37  

I'm gonna read it. 

Lesley Logan 13:37  

Oh, okay, okay great. 

Brad Crowell 13:37  

Big win this week. This is from Jordan BB, I've neglected using my Wunda Chair for quite a while now. So I decided it was time to break out my Chair Flashcards. I started working through the order and whatever bits of time I had available each day, starting from the top of the deck each day to get to the to get the repetition. By the time I got to my second week, I started feeling connections in my body that the week previous, I couldn't have even dreamed of. Exercises that felt impossible to move were actually moving. But even better, I felt more connected to myself. Super excited to add my Chair back into my regular rotation. Thank you, Lesley for the amazing flashcards. 

Lesley Logan 16:32  

I mean, I'm so grateful for you. And don't click that off, Brad, because I'm going to say it on FYF so she can hear it on one of those episodes. But thank you like that is so freaking cool. 

Brad Crowell 16:42  

Great job, Jordan. 

Lesley Logan 16:43  

I just want another shout out to Jordan. She is also a listener who, when she discovered this podcast, went back to the beginning and listened to every single one. 

Brad Crowell 16:51  

Wow. 

Lesley Logan 16:51  

I know. So pretty big deal. Pretty amazing win. All right, Jordan, you're amazing. I'll put that in FYF so you're gonna hear it twice, because what if she misses this episode? All right, let's talk about John Mollura.

Brad Crowell 17:05  

John Mollura. Okay, so stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about John. 

Brad Crowell 17:11  

Welcome back. All right, let's dig into this convo you have with John Mollura. John is a personal coach and keynote speaker who helps people move from fear and hesitation into confidence and action, which I love that. For 15 years he had he led test operations on NASA missions before stepping into a new chapter as an award winning photographer, with work featured in National Geographic. Today, he shares those experiences through coaching and his signature talk, Elite Level Confidence, giving people simple tools to build trust in themselves and take consistent action in their lives. Look, we, Lesley and I have, man, we connected with John three or four years ago now, and. 

Lesley Logan 17:52  

At least, he was in the hundreds. So.

Brad Crowell 17:54  

Yeah, look, if you like to read newsletters, John's newsletters are great. He really takes time to write enjoyable newsletters, and I read them. 

Lesley Logan 18:05  

You don't read anything. 

Brad Crowell 18:07  

I don't really read anything. So John's newsletters are really fun. So I really like that. I feel like I've been along his journey with him, as he's shifted from engineer to photographer to now being a speaker and a coach, so we're really fired up for him. It's been awesome to have him. He's coming to speak to Agency, our coaching group multiple times, and his content is available for those who are members of Agency. And then we were like, hey, man, would you like to be back on the pod? And we got this epic episode. It's like this episode felt like a mic drop moment on every chapter of the conversation that y'all, y'all were having, you know, talking about confidence, talking about perfectionism, talking about all these great things that, I, I literally listened to it twice. So. 

Lesley Logan 18:58  

I love that, that's so good. Well, thanks for doing that. I mean, it's so fun to have guests back and see where they've gone. Some people have gone further in the same lane. Some people have switched lanes. Some people have reversed and then rewound and, you know, like it's and so he has switched lanes. But really it seems like it all aligns, because he, basically what I like that he said, which goes with what I'm just saying, is that he talked about, it's being really important to be aware. Like, the more aware you are, it's actually a really powerful thing and and it's because when you have a seeker mindset, right? Like, that's going to help you, when you have that curiosity, it's going to help you in what you want to be and what you want to do. So clearly, he was in that seeking mode, that being aware mode, and that's where he's like, Oh, I'm a, I'm an award winning photographer, I'm a NASA engineer, but I actually really want, I'm feeling called, to do this thing over here and it lights me up, and that, you, just going to Gay Hendricks like, that's his genius zone. Like, it would be so easy for him to it's, it's a what does Gay call it, like, your whatever. Like, there's a zone of excellence, which is his photography, but his own genius is this. And I just really loved it. He also said, like, when you are being aware, it's important that you don't judge yourself with your awareness. Like, that's where the critic lives. You like things you'll say is like, well, that's not gonna happen. Or, like, this is never gonna work. But instead, shifting into that seeker mindset and having awareness and curiosity.

Brad Crowell 20:23  

Yeah, that, so, okay, this part, I thought, was really heartfelt, because he already in his adult life with kids and a wife changed from being a, I'm guessing, stable, high paying government job, where he's an engineer for NASA, to an unstable, potentially high paying, but who knows, job of being a photographer. Now he happens to kick ass at being a photographer, you know, but he said, the engineering job, he quit. He started something else. He got another engineering job, then realized that still wasn't the right answer. Then he started doing something that he found fulfilling. And then after a while, was like, this isn't doing it either. And then decided to make us another change in his adult life. And he's like, I honestly didn't even want to tell my wife, because she'd already been on the journey with me getting out of being an engineer. And now I'm like, thought I was doing the thing I wanted to do, but I'm not feeling it, you know, it's not actually the right thing for me. And and then, you know, and so he has, what I thought was really great, is you threw in there. Well, look, it was maybe we end up thinking that we need to do this thing for because we made the decision, right? For me, this really resonated with my decision to go to college for music, right? And I left. And then my whole time in Los Angeles, for the for the first decade I was there, I was like, I am a musician. That's how I defined myself. It's how I saw myself. I am in a band. I do perform. This is what I do. This is who I am. And when you started, when that started to shift and change and not be that anymore. I was like, well, what do I do now? You know, that I'm not, you know, can I do something else? Like, am I allowed? Because I felt (inaudible), I had literally spent $80,000 or whatever was going to college. I don't even know. A lot of money, you know, going to college to be a musician, you know, am I, am I like, is it okay to not be a musician anymore? You know, while I still can think of myself as a musician today, that's not my primary thing that I'm doing, but it was just one step along the way and and I think it's okay for us to be making these changes in our lives. You know, my I never talked with my friend about this, but my high school buddy went to school to be an engineer, right? He went to Germany, he came back, he was doing all this really fancy engineering stuff, and then somewhere along the way, was like, I this isn't it. And then he went back to school to be a doctor. Like, I was like, wait, you signed up for like, four more years of school after already going to, like four or five years of school. And, you know, now he's a doctor, and I have to imagine he really likes it, or he wouldn't keep doing it. But that is quite a path to jump from one to another, especially when the foundation to become a doctor again, you're, you're starting over, in a way, you know, so.

Lesley Logan 20:25  

Yeah, I think that's and I think that clearly in that instance, like, he must have had to be a seeker and not a judger in his like, well, this is gonna work. Oh my God, it's four more years of school. 

Brad Crowell 23:33  

Judging himself. 

Lesley Logan 23:39  

Like, using himself, you know, or what like, and this is like, this is the hard part, right? Because when you share some things, it's really, really important who you share stuff with. Like, I think sometimes some of you who are listening, you so badly want someone in your life's love that you're telling them the thing that you're wanting to do, and they are not your cheerleader. It's not because they are an asshole or trying to be an asshole, it's that they are in the critic zone. And so you have to be mindful, like, who you're sharing your dreams with, until you feel the muscle is very strong. And I don't think that that was, like, why he didn't want to share it with his wife, but we were very clear, like he was just was just like, now we're starting all over again. But like, I do think that, like, there are, like, when we told my grandfather we're in Cambodia, he's like, it's not safe there, right? And we're like. 

Brad Crowell 24:32  

What's he, like, all he's doing is projecting his own fear. 

Lesley Logan 24:34  

His own fear, you know, and so, so just be mindful those of you who are listening, who are like, in the curious space, in the awareness space, and you're feeling called, yes, you have excellent investments and other things you've done in your life, but you're being called to do something else. Be mindful that you tell the friends who are like, fuck yeah, you should do that. The other people in your life, you'll tell them when the muscle is a bit stronger, because I would just be afraid that their critic will come out and bring your critic to the party, and we don't need that.

Brad Crowell 25:05  

Well, I think, I think the high level here, you know, the conclusion of this thought is awareness plus curiosity is a win, right? Awareness plus curiosity, it enables progress, right? So no matter where you are in your life, no matter what projects you're working on, if you have both awareness and curiosity, you will be able to move that ball forward. So love that. And speaking of your grandfather, that leads into what I really loved in a roundabout way, you'll get, we'll get there. 

Lesley Logan 25:36  

I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm looking at these notes. Did you know, my grandfather?

Brad Crowell 25:41  

I did. So the big three that John talked about, this was a whole nother chapter of the conversation, and this is where I kept saying, these are mic drop moments, you know? He said, hey, look, you know, it's not even about perfection. It's not even about procrastination. He said, in fact, there are the, these are the big three things that I talk about all the time, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. He said these three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said the thing that they're like they don't, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what are, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? 

Lesley Logan 26:22  

Drum roll, please. 

Brad Crowell 26:26  

Fear. Right? And this is what your grandfather was, was applying. He was, he was projecting his fear on us. And that's when, when you share something with someone, be cautious of that in the sense that they are, they know you really well. They love you. They want the best for you. And they are going to immediately, like, look at it and see what is the problem that that could happen here. And they're going to push that out there and right? And that could be really deflating for you, especially if you aren't yet, like you don't yet have surety in the place you're going, you're feeling it out right, because that, like they don't want you to be hurt or fail, or any of those things and fear is that that root, and it's easy for that to blossom into these things, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. And he said, by understanding that fear is the root of these three people, can now get honest with ourselves and begin asking, what is it actually that I'm so scared of? What is it actually? I can't remember who it was, but a couple weeks ago, we had another episode. She was a business coach. 

Lesley Logan 27:37  

Oh, Jill. 

Brad Crowell 27:39  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was, I think it was her. She said, what am I afraid of? What's the worst could happen. I could go bankrupt, right? And I was like, well, that's a pretty big deal, you know? But for her, she was like, okay. 

Lesley Logan 27:52  

Jill Allen. Dr. Jill Allen.

Brad Crowell 27:52  

Dr. Jill Allen, yeah she said, okay, I could go bankrupt. And it's like, well, okay, but she acknowledged that, like, what am I so afraid of, if that's the worst that could happen can that be overcome? Like, is that like, it doesn't it's not something to laugh at. But what if it do? What if it does happen? 

Lesley Logan 28:10  

I don't know. Do I share this, like, my, I remember my trainer when I was, like, thinking of breaking up with my ex, and I was like, just like, not. He's like, what are you afraid of? Like, I don't. He's like, you're not gonna die. Like, he's like, to me, the scariest thing, the thing that, like, the ultimate fear, is death. And you breaking up with him, you're not gonna die. Like, in my situation, I'm sure that that's not the same for other people, but in my I could, he would just let me walk away. And I was like, oh, I'm not gonna die. That is, that is I can do like, I love this question. I think it's really important to reflect on and journal about 

Brad Crowell 28:40  

What am I so scared of? I remember being my first I just moved to L.A. and I had no money, and I got a job at this restaurant. It took me a week to get a job at a restaurant of where I walked around to, I don't know, a dozen more, I don't even know. I would evaluate the restaurant, see how busy they were at dinner, decide, could I make enough money here, and then, do I want to work here? Does this seem cool? And I would put in an application, and I went to all these different places, and I finally got this job, because I went back a second a third time, I really wanted to work at this restaurant. And I then I met these guys, and they offered me a job. And I called my best friend at the time and I said, hey, man, I'm thinking of doing this. And he I said, but I'm worried. I'm worried about, you know, like, they're gonna pay me a salary, but I've, I've, I would be, I would have to give up my restaurant job. And he's like, you can get another restaurant job. And I was like, oh, you're right. Like, that's so true. 

Lesley Logan 29:37  

Yes, yes, even in a shitty economy, there's always an opportunity for something. It might not be, you know, it might not be the the restaurant job, but it would be a restaurant job like, you know, like, there's just, there's, there's options.

Brad Crowell 29:52  

Yeah, so I just thought that was really astute of John to take these three things, which we all have dealt with, struggled with in our lives, perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, connect the dots that there's fear is the root of these three things, and then how do we how do we lean into that? What are we so afraid of? What are we so afraid of? 

Lesley Logan 30:18  

Yeah, and your fears are allowed to be like, they could be legitimate fears. And then at least the power is removed when it has air, you know, like the power of fear is really removed when you just, like, put it out on the table. And at least then you can figure out, like, well, what would I do if that happened? You know, so I loved it. I loved, you know, John's, we posted the tour, and we'll be at Rehoboth Beach Delaware. 

Brad Crowell 30:42  

Yeah, it's, it's really close to where he lives.

Lesley Logan 30:45  

I think it's really close. I think we should finally fucking see him. 

Brad Crowell 30:53  

Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be good. 

Lesley Logan 30:57  

John. 

Brad Crowell 30:57  

We're calling you out, John, we're calling you. 

Lesley Logan 30:57  

We're gonna, we gotta talk. 

Brad Crowell 30:57  

We're gonna call you. 

Lesley Logan 30:53  

We gotta talk about food. How about coffee. How about a happy hour?

Brad Crowell 30:57  

Love it. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we've got some great Be It Action Items from John as well. 

Lesley Logan 31:04  

John, you can also text us. That's fine too. 

Brad Crowell 31:06  

Yeah. All right, we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 31:10  

Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What are the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with John Mollura. He said, confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Most of us are showing up for the person we've made a commitment to. Okay, I'll pick you up at six. Okay, I'll do the dishes. Okay, I'll take the trash out, right? You're committing to someone else. I'll do my homework. I'll do this thing, whatever. But we constantly let our own selves down. And it doesn't seem like a big deal. 

Lesley Logan 31:48  

It is a humongous deal. You say you're gonna go to bed at 9 pm and you don't go to bed till 10, you are literally taking a drop out of the confidence bucket.

Brad Crowell 31:57  

Yeah, and it's subconscious. You might not be like, oh, can't believe it. Oh, I didn't go to bed at nine o'clock.

Lesley Logan 32:03  

Please, please listen to the habits podcast, and don't do that.

Brad Crowell 32:05  

In your in in your belief you're chipping away at the foundation of confidence that you have in yourself when you don't uphold your own decisions to yourself, right? And you might not realize that that's happening. But he explained the actual root cause of people's lack of confidence is that they're not showing up for themselves, and meaning that loss of self-trust because we consistently and continually break commitments we made to ourselves time and time again, that will it's it's fascinating, because John is an engineer first, so he still thinks and talks like an engineer, even though he's very creative with photography and now working with his clients and coaching. But he started talking about data, you know, or the data, sorry, and so he said, he said, you why, why don't we uphold these things to ourselves? Because we never have upheld these things to ourselves. But we can change that. We can rectify that by starting to keep these promises to ourselves. When you start to give your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of the old data of broken self-promises, right? So how do we do that? Small, consistent actions that aren't a big thing, but over time, they add up to I am consistent. I do this thing. I do wake up, you know, earlier. I do go all the things that we say we want to go do, but we don't uphold we don't do them. Why don't we follow through? It's because we never have. Well, we can change that by making these small decisions, day by day.

Lesley Logan 33:38  

Agreed. I loved these, he gave us some questions, and this is really fun thing for you to journal upon. It said, when making conscious decisions on honor one's future self, one must ask, is what I'm going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future me? I love this like I love this. I look back at the the me in 2013 who made that big decision, go, I'm a fucking hero to myself, like, I thank God I fucking did that when I did it, because my whole life was like the domino effect of like, everything that I wanted. So yes, right? The goal is to ensure that when you meet your future self, you are not staying there tired and disappointed because you failed to go after it. Like if you ever said, oh, by this date, I want to have X thing. And then you didn't do anything, and then you got to that day like, I wanted to be over here by now. Well, the effort thing, it's not like I have missed dates on goals that I was working towards. And there's a difference between actually working towards something and the deadline is further than you thought, than not doing anything at all, and getting to the deadline,

Brad Crowell 34:47  

I think, I mean, I was thinking about goal setting and all that kind of stuff. Like, okay, this, this quarter in business, we're gonna do $100,000 and you, you know, work, work, work, and you make only $60,000 but it was more than you've ever made before. It doesn't mean that you like didn't make that you didn't keep a promise to yourself.

Lesley Logan 35:09  

Right. Well, were you, were you the person who could like, did the effort you put towards it, could it have been $100,000 if the stars had aligned? Then, then you should, whatever you land with you should celebrate, because the person that you made yourself be to do those things is the goal, is the journey, right? Is the hero. So the action should result in you high fiving yourself and saying, thank you for honoring me. Thank you for doing that, that the thing in that moment. He also said, you can call him. You guys, I have not like, that's insane, free calls. And he also gave some free resources over on his site, on johnnmollura.com, that's John with an H-N-N.

Brad Crowell 35:10  

Yeah, J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, johnmollura.com. 

Lesley Logan 35:49  

Yeah. So check those out. I love it. John, you're such an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us and the Be It Till You See It babes. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:06  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 36:07  

Thanks for joining us. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag John. Tell us. Send this to a friend who needs to hear who needs to be a hero in their life, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 36:17  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 36:19  

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Brad Crowell 37:00  

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Lesley Logan 37:06  

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Brad Crowell 37:10  

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Lesley Logan 37:17  

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Brad Crowell 37:21  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan welcomes back personal coach and former NASA engineer John Mollura for a powerful conversation on confidence, fear, and self-trust. Together they break down why so many high achievers feel stuck—and how it’s not about time management but the fear hiding underneath. John shares how to quiet your inner critic, lean into a curious 'seeker mindset,' and rebuild trust in yourself one small promise at a time.  

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How fear of failure kept John from setting goals or making plans.
• The “two-by-four” life moments that forced him to realign his purpose.
• Why photography revealed a deeper coaching calling after years in corporate life.
• Why true confidence begins with keeping the promises you make to yourself.
• Why fear drives the “big three” — perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking.

Episode References/Links:

• John Mollura's Website - https://www.johnmollura.com
• John Mollura’s Free Resources - https://www.johnmollura.com/freestuff
• Episode 119: John Mollura - https://beitpod.com/ep119
• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/0DUsv01
• AmeriCorps – https://americorps.gov
• Brand Builders Group – https://brandbuildersgroup.com

Guest Bio:

John Mollura (pronounced muh-LAURA) is a personal coach and speaker who knows what it’s like to feel stuck—despite a resume that says otherwise. For fifteen years he led test operations for NASA missions as a literal rocket scientist before becoming a multi-award-winning photographer, with work featured by National Geographic. But behind the achievements and titles, he battled self-doubt, perfectionism, and the fear of taking the next step. John didn’t just break free—he built a framework for lasting change. Through a powerful blend of science, storytelling, and strategy, he doesn’t just inspire—he equips people with the tools to take action, build confidence, and create real momentum. Get ready to move from hesitation to action, from fear to confidence, and from stuck to unstoppable.

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Episode Transcript:

John Mollura 0:00  

The root of people's lack of confidence is they're not showing up for themselves. Because here's what happens, is we're lying to ourselves. We say I'm going to wake up and go to the gym, or this is the year I'm going to start eating healthier, or I'm going to floss my teeth every night. Like, pick a commitment you've made to yourself. If we continually break these commitments time and time again, well, guess what? Our brain recognizes I can't trust me.

Lesley Logan 0:28  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:10  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my gosh. Okay. We have a blast from the past, an amazing person, that every time I hear him speak, I'm just like, yes, yes that, yes this, yes, that, oh, say that one more time. So you guys are gonna want to repeat this. This is an episode on perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, confidence, fear. It's really good stuff. And our guest is John Mollura, and I'm really, really excited. And if you haven't heard from him on episode 120 I highly recommend, after you listen to this one, go listen to that one, and just see how far people come in such a short period of time, we think three years is a long time, and it's like, you know, like, it isn't, it happens quite quickly. So anyways, you're amazing. John's amazing. This episode is for you. Here you go. 

Lesley Logan 1:57  

Be It, babe. We have a blast from the past, and like the past, I cannot believe that it's I can't believe how long this podcast has been on, because it feels like I just got started, and I'm like, still getting my groove, but John Mollura is our guest today. He was from Episode 120, oh my God, okay. John Mollura, in case people haven't been with us since Episode 120, can you remind them? 

John Mollura 2:16  

And you should go back and listen to all those if you have not.

Lesley Logan 2:21  

Well, they're gonna have to. Because I think we're gonna share, what I'm excited about is to share a journey. Like, whenever I have a guest back on, it's like, we get to, like, see where you are, and people get to go, oh, wow, behind like, you don't see behind the scenes very much, and you don't like, we just think, like, things just happen, and the light switch just turns on, and everything works out. So tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at now.

John Mollura 2:45  

Hey, everybody. So second time guest here on the Be It Pod with my good friend, Lesley. And fun fact is I actually live right up the road from her hubby's parents in the first State of Delaware. 

Lesley Logan 2:58  

It's really hilarious. 

John Mollura 2:59  

Right? Small world, small world. So what I am up to? I am a personal coach, and no one is more surprised to see me in that position than me. 

Lesley Logan 3:08  

I don't know. I had to be really honest. We'll go on with your because, but I just want to say, like, your talk, (inaudible) like, three years ago, about imperfection was so good, like, to me, you were like a coach over a photographer. But anyways, tell everyone why you're more surprised.

John Mollura 3:28  

Yeah, and I'm talking like, longer than, like, the time you and I have been buddies, but like, just throughout my entire life, dude, I, like Forrest Gump-ed my way through, like, never really had a plan, and I came to realize the reason why I never had a plan is because if you didn't have, like, a plan and a target and goals, guess what, you could never fail. And I was so afraid of failure, like I never wanted to, you know, put my name on something, be like, this is what I want to do. So that is why I say I've, -like, Forrest Gump-ed my way through. And I I'm surprised I'm here, because it was never the plan, because I never had a plan. 

Lesley Logan 4:05  

This is so fascinating. I think people just freaking like, were like, caught, like that, like, caught, you know, because you just said, If you don't have a plan, you can't fail. And I'm afraid of failure. And I think there's a lot of people who have been just like, it's a lot going on, it's really hard to make decisions in this time, like, you know, and it's like you can do that for so long, and at some point, like, there's a calling that you have, the universe is going to force you to do it. Do you feel forced?

John Mollura 4:38  

So I like to call them two by four moments, Lesley, and these are those moments in life where the universe, or God or who, whomever you believe, is kind of orchestrating all this. If you're not paying attention enough, they whack you upside the head with a two by four. And you find yourself in these situations where it's like you're just forced into these changes, and you know you don't have to answer the call, but the price you pay is that you just have this just spiritual discontent with inside of you, and that is such a yucky and exhausting feeling.

Lesley Logan 5:13  

Yeah, it really is like, and I think anyone listening like, I can think of times when, like, I feel like I got hit by a back truck, and then you're like, why didn't you tell me before the Mack truck came? And then you look back and you're like, there was a little flashlight right there, and then there was this like thing over here. You ignored those so I had to hit you with a Mack truck to get your attention.

John Mollura 5:37  

Yeah, yeah. There is a story that I like to tell when I'm doing like a small group, and it's like people are like, you know, they they end up at the pearly gates, and they're like, God, why didn't you save me? And that is like, what are you talking about? It's like, I sent, I told you to leave the house before it flooded. I sent you the news report, and you didn't listen. And then when you climbed on your roof. I sent you a boat, saying, hey, get in the boat. And you said no, and then I sent a helicopter, like, what else do you want? So we don't, we don't pay attention to these signs all along the way.

Lesley Logan 6:10  

We're expecting it to say, John, this is for you. Like, Lesley, this is yours. And the truth is, is that, like, you know, we all get choice. That's what we were given. We were given this choice to listen or to not to listen, and those choices have consequences. So if you choose not to listen, you get hit by a two by four, hopefully before you drown. Hopefully, hopefully you pay attention before you drown. So, tell, can you take us back to some of the two by fours that kind of shoved you this way? 

John Mollura 6:40  

Yeah. Yeah. So, so my my career again, like starting back with my career after I graduated engineering school from Penn State in like 2001 shout out, Nittany Lions, we are, is I ended up working in the space program. Right?

Lesley Logan 6:58  

Yeah, which is so badass. It's like the, I mean, it's what every kid grows up to wanting being an astronaut, you got to do that without going to space. But, like.

John Mollura 7:06  

Space Cadet, yes, astronaut, no, but I did get to work with them, and the reason why I literally fell into that job was because I lost out on an internship with Disney in college and taught rock climbing for the summer, and that actually was what bubbled me to the top of the guy who hired me, who was former Special Forces and he said, Hey, look, I'm like, why'd you pick me? Like, I had, like, a decent grade, other than my shining personality and, you know, rapier wit, why did you pick me, Skip? And he said, I don't need another, you know, gosh darn egg head on this team. I need someone I can send out into the field and not get me or themselves killed. He said, you're smart enough. So again, like, you know, I wasn't planning on ever being a rock climbing instructor, but I was offered the jobs I know other options. That's what bubbled me to the top, where I worked in the space and defense industry for 15 years, leading test operations for NASA and working with elite military units, and a big two by four moment came in 2009 right after our first child was born, where, like, I really felt like I wasn't going to be a good dad, just because, you know, my past trials and traumas. And then right after that, one of my best childhood friends intentionally overdosed and passed away, and I was I was a mess. I was an absolute wreck. And, you know, I can remember thinking, Well, maybe he got it right. Maybe I shouldn't be here. And for whatever reason, I said the Serenity Prayer like it popped in my head.

Lesley Logan 8:41  

Isn't it funny how we all know that prayer, we all know, like, if that prayer is like, right there, it's like, so like, like, we're, I feel like we're born with it, like it's so good.

John Mollura 8:49  

Yeah, yeah. And for those of you, you know, here's a variation I love is, you know, accept what is, let go of what was, and have faith in what will be, you know. And like, as soon as I finished it, I felt this warm sensation and like, you know that that's when I found, like, true religion and freedom. But it wasn't like all unicorns and rainbows and stuff like that. It was quite the opposite. It was where, like the proverbial scales fell from my eyes, and I realized what an a hole I was in life to protect myself. So that started me on this journey of faith and getting my, you know, just seeing how the world saw me, and I built up this like superhero exterior, but really just to protect the wounded person inside. And as I really came to terms with that and started healing, I started realizing that, wow, this job that I have, like you said, which is, like every kid's dream, like, you know, former 80s kid, like you we grew up watching Star Wars and, you know, all the things like that. I was like, this job isn't satisfying me. This isn't this isn't where I'm supposed to be. I'm good at it. I'm world class at it. But, man, I'm just not happy.

Lesley Logan 9:58  

Yeah, yeah, that's what Gay Hendricks would call from The Big Leap, he would call, like, your zone of excellence, but not your zone of genius. And, like, It's uncomfortable to be in the zone of excellence for a long time. People think you're weird, but like, you just don't like, you're like, I this, I can do this in my sleep, but it's not challenging me. It's not making me feel satisfied. 

John Mollura 10:19  

Right? Yeah, that's not bringing life into me. So I went and, you know, did the responsible thing, and as a now father of three, and got another higher paying job in engineering, and was even more miserable and out of alignment. 

Lesley Logan 10:32  

Just wanted to make sure. 

John Mollura 10:34  

Yeah, just wanted to make sure this is definitely not for you. So almost, almost eight years ago to the day. We're recording this in early April, on April 7th of 2017 was when I walked away from corporate life and turned my side hustle photography in my full time gig. And it, you know, it was filled with a lot of ups and downs. You know, I had the opportunity, like National Geographics featured my stuff. I photograph my Grammy winners, like all the cool things, but it never really took off. Right? So here, you know, we're already up to two, two by four moments. There's, you know, the death of my friend and my spiritual awakening. You know, realizing this, like, dream career wasn't serving me. So if you're counting along, that's two, two by fours to the head, I don't catch on real quick. And then, actually, our initial conversation, and I looked it up, was in January of 2022, shout out, Brand Builders.

Lesley Logan 11:34  

I know, I know. Oh my God, that is, that is, I mean, we met, I guess, that is crazy. This podcast has been on for a long time.

John Mollura 11:42  

Yeah, and it wasn't even about the podcast that was about a webinar. You had this like, zany idea to be like, Hey, does anybody want to talk about imposter syndrome? I'm like, What's that? So I, like, Googled. I'm like, Oh my God, that's what I had even like as I was getting, like, letters of commendation from the military, like I felt like I didn't deserve it, and I was like, one screw up away from, like, failing and like everyone seeing I was faking it. So during this photography career, as the photography was starting to slow down, that came into my life, that came into my path, and then that turned into a keynote, and then the keynote turned, you know, into another keynote called elite level confidence. And that started getting traction. Meanwhile, my photography business is going down, right?

Lesley Logan 12:30  

Yeah, I'm going to challenge you on that second two by four. I think that the second two by four is a door, like a bridge or just like a guide, because I think, like, you would never have been in the room that you were in. So I feel like, maybe there's a second, two by four. And just like, hey, this photography thing is a beautiful hobby, and you're really good at it, and it's another zone of excellence. But like, they're, we're calling you over here. But I just think, like, I think, like, the everything happens for a reason, and you were in that room because of photography, you know, or maybe there was something inside you that was like, calling you to go for more, and maybe you knew about this coaching thing sooner. But I think, like, I wonder, like, would you have gone from engineering to elite level coaching? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I.

John Mollura 13:14  

Right, I mean, it all falls together. You know, when you're looking back at the path, it's like, oh, that makes sense. But yeah, in the moment you're like, what the heck it's going on here? 

Lesley Logan 13:23  

Yeah, so okay, I remember, because I get your emails, I remember when you're like, oh, I'm not doing this for I'm closing my studio. And I was like, wow, I hope he's not going back to engineering. I'm so happy you're not. But you know, like, I was just like, oh, because I've been in this world long enough and like, it's really, it is really difficult to whatever your passion is, whether you're a photographer, listening or not, like one of my dear friends, like she makes her magic happen as a photographer, but it is you absolutely can get paid for your passion, but you also have to remember, it's still work, you know? And if it's not, if it doesn't serve you and your family, then it's not serving you, and you have to, like, change it. So, okay, how did you be it till you see it, from photographer to coach, because that I feel like, you know, like, how did you address that? How did you come to terms with your heart? How did you tell your family? How to tell people that I feel like people get stuck on like that, but what are people gonna say? What? How do I explain why I changed again?

John Mollura 14:20  

Yeah, and that was a lot of internal dialog when I was like, oh man, I'm starting to feel this, this just spiritual discontent again. And I'm like, I've wrestled with it. I'm like, are you kidding me, John, like, like you already had, like, a dream everybody wants. Like, you worked in the space program. You literally worked with astronauts and fighter pilots. Like, how cool is that? And then I did photography again. A lot of people like that. They're like, my dream is to be a photographer full time. And I'm like, oh, no, this isn't really filling me up anymore. So that was something I really wrestled with, Lesley, like, like, I didn't want to tell my wife, who's been on this, like, roller coaster with me, like, because I was embarrassed. I'm like, what is wrong with me? Why am I just such a like, you know, then all the negative voices start, right? It's like, you're a malcontent. You're never going to be happy, you know, all the things and but what I realized, what I really leaned into, was the truth of the matter, was, especially after Covid, because the photography I did, like headshots, portraits, things like that. So I was always working with people, and I saw such a change in people's demeanor. Like, I get it. Being photographed is not anyone's favorite pastime, really. But, like barely.

Lesley Logan 15:31  

I love it, but I'm weird. 

John Mollura 15:33  

Right. Yeah, there's a very small percentage of people, but you know, every photo shoot would start the same. Good luck getting a good picture of me. And it's like, okay, yeah, that before, but there was something different, especially after Covid, where people just had this just lack of confidence in themselves. So I started realizing, like I was doing coaching sessions with people, just to get them comfortable being in front of the lens of the photo shoot they paid big money for.

Lesley Logan 16:02  

That's insane. I can totally see that 100%, yes.

John Mollura 16:06  

Yeah. So that's, that's what I really started leaning into. So my first coaching program that I came up with a couple years ago was called Authentic Men of Action. Because, you know, Rory Vaden, who actually brought us together through his Brand Builders was, he always says, you're best suited to serve the you that you used to be. And I'm like, God, I was a mess. So I thought, let me create this program to to work with men, to really help them take action and get after what is important to them and best serve people that are in their lives. And again, it kind of took off. But then, like, women started reaching out, like their girlfriends and wives, and they're like, Hey, can, like, we get in on this? And I'm like, okay, you know, cue all the limiting beliefs, you know, tripping up like, Oh, you gotta know what to say. You're gonna know how to help people. 

John Mollura 16:52  

Almost like, you know when to, like, hit the button. You're like, okay, here they are. Like, just come at me.

John Mollura 17:01  

Yeah, yeah. And my wife's like, she's like, you know, you're a father to two daughters, you're a great husband. Like, why don't you just see how it goes, John, and quit over thinking this. Like, okay, so yeah. Then I opened the coaching up to the women, and then the keynotes started. Were with which turned into elite level confidence, you know? And it's just been a beautiful progression of just listening and seeing what the need is, and then answering the call and not letting those limiting beliefs stop me. 

Lesley Logan 17:24  

Yeah, I think it like it takes, in the ideal world is like each time you get to know yourself and what you want more, and that each time you be it till you see it, like the space between hearing and limiting beliefs and still taking action, ideally, gets shorter. Like, I actually don't think that you they just go away. 

John Mollura 17:55  

They never go away. 

Lesley Logan 17:56  

I think if you're not a narcissistic, egotistical sociopath, like if you are, they never go away. You just recognize it. You're like, Oh, I know this station. I can actually just turn it off. Like, thank you. You know, like, I get to, I get to turn that off now, and I think that's so interesting. I also, like, was want to highlight, like, I do think that there's a massive confidence problem, and no one is like, you know, the coaches I've worked with, because I worked with a lot, since I'm in the fitness world, there's a lot of people who are like, you are, like, creating fitness programs so women feel confident. And the truth is, as my coach, is correct, no one is actually Googling how to get more confident, right? Like they're Googling, like, weight loss or whatever, but what they are wanting, the byproduct is confidence. Now that we've on the other side of Covid, I do think there's a lot of people who reckon, who are like, defeated, you know, and, and because, especially people our age who, like, you know, graduated, like, went to college in 2001 graduated to the recessions, you know, then once we started getting our legs under us, then Covid hit. Like, it kind of can feel like, if your evidence is every few years you get knocked down, you may as well stay in a safe place which doesn't make you more confident, it makes you have some dissonance, and that is where a lack of confidence comes from. So I do think that more and more people are needing it and even more aware, but they're using the word imposter syndrome and and other things to to describe it. Okay, you've done speeches before because, like, you had, like, you've had the career with, with space and all that stuff. But like, what was it like to give your first keynote under this, like, this iteration, this, like, next level, this, be it till you see it version of you?

John Mollura 19:40  

Yeah, one of my coaches told me something that really resonated with me, and now I share it with with my clients that want to, like, do keynote speaking. They said the best thing you can do to reduce the nerves is not to focus on yourself, because if you go out there with this mindset of, like, Oh my gosh. I need to, I need I need to, I need to not forget any lines. I need to hit my marks on the stage. I need to. I need to just, just, just, just crush this like, that's when it goes completely sideways, yeah? Because it's all inward focused. So being switching the mindset of like, okay, I'm gonna go out here. I'm well rehearsed. I've done the preparation that I need to do, and I'm doing that not so I look awesome, but so I can best serve everybody that's out in the audience. So the first time I gave that talk, you know, I did like the rotary thing, where I talked to rotary groups and get my legs under me and refined it. The first official time I gave it was to a group of people that had just completed a year of service with AmeriCorps, and they were transitioning out of that volunteer space. And now, you know, going a lot of them going back into whatever organizations they helped with, but also taking this knowledge and going forward, and they and they've changed, during these years of service.

Lesley Logan 21:06  

Yeah. Who they were when they started is a very different person, you know. 

John Mollura 21:10  

Right, right. So I partnered up with AmeriCorps because they were, the leadership realized that when people would leave, they were they they didn't, they were kind of rudderless, because they weren't the same person going back to their lives they had before. So they brought me in to speak to them. And is a very beautiful thing about like ways we can sabotage ourselves with, with just, you know, whether it's it's perfectionism or having this kind of lone wolf mentality, building walls in our relationship, you know, focusing on, like perfectionism that leads to procrastination and overthinking and all the things it was helping them see and just be aware of these, these things that will pop up.

Lesley Logan 21:55  

Yeah, yeah. I sorry to hit you off. I think like understanding how we sabotage ourselves is one of the biggest things we could ever do for ourselves. So you mentioned perfectionism, lone wolf. What are some of the other like ways we can we can sabotage ourselves because we look at it as like it's happening to us, but really we're doing it to us.

John Mollura 22:17  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So and that, that's where you know, my newest free resource that I've is on my website for people, it's The Six Leverage Points for Success, and it talks about, you know, creating legacy for yourself, like, how to honor this future you that is out there. You know, how to build your confidence. And we'll, we'll chat about here in a moment, about, like, the like, the real reason, like, why a lot of folks' confidence is lacking, talking about the ways that we can put more structure into our relationships, because people don't like to say, I'm going to put boundaries up, because that seems, you know, like they're keeping everything else. Like, no, it's not about putting walls up around. It's about putting walls up, but then putting some gates in with some quality guards that are there.

Lesley Logan 23:05  

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of freedom in a boundary that people don't see it like they see it like as a cement wall. And it's like, well, it's actually just like, a guideline of how you can treat me in this situation. But okay. 

John Mollura 23:16  

Yeah and then helping people understand the value of like focus, because so often when we're on these journeys, like, what are we doing? We're looking to that person over there, and then we're looking at their Instagram account, and then we're, you know, next thing, you know, you're completely side you know, you've spun yourself into the ground because you're looking at everybody else instead of keeping your eyes ahead. And then then finally, talking about helping people get into action. So that that's, that's kind of, those are kind of the ways that I've realized people have been sabotaging themselves. Like, okay, this is what they are, heads up, because awareness is so powerful. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 23:52  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I I think, like, every time I think, like, something is like, not working, I can actually, if I just, like, take a moment after being upset about what's not working, so, oh, I actually tried to this by myself, or I guided this, like, focusing on, like, where my marks are. Where am I doing this, as opposed to, like, how is this impacting them? Why is this the thing that they need? Like, I can see, like, where I, like, got inwardly focused and sabotaged myself when really, like, I know the answer. And I guess what the cool thing is, you can actually pivot. You can actually just make changes once you're aware. But you have to be aware of these things to see them, yeah.

John Mollura 24:34  

Yeah and there and there's, there's, there's another component to that, which I found is really powerful, is that it's not just being aware, then it becomes very important that we're not judging ourselves with our awareness. Because when you're judging yourself and you're aware, like, I call that like, that's where the critic lives. Like, these are the people that have had their hearts stomped on, and they're like, never, this is never gonna work. This won't work. No one will want it like that's being judgmental and aware. Where we want to be is we want to shift into, like, what I call being the seeker mindset, which is where you're aware, but then you use, I know, one of your favorite words, which is curious. When we're aware and curious, man, that's where beautiful things happen, right? Yeah, that's where, like, we're a seeker, and we're like, this is where I want to go. I'm not really sure how I'm going to get there, but I'm going to start embracing this journey and seeing what resources and people I have that can help me get to there. And spoiler alert, that there is probably going to shift a little bit, but at least you're going towards that with awareness and curiosity.

Lesley Logan 25:34  

Oh, I love that you called out the judgment, because I think we can. It's so easy for us to like then be aware oh, here I am being my lone wolf and like, just like, continue going down the judgment zone, which is not where creativity nor confidence can live, by the way, like, judgment and gratitude can't live in the same place. Like, so yeah, it's a whole, it's a whole, those energies don't coexist very well. Okay, so can we talk a bit about confidence? Because, like, I do think, like, I find, first of all, I'm always shocked that people think that people like you or I struggle with confidence. And I think, like, it's really hilarious because, like, I just personally think that they see in us what they want for themselves. And so there's a projection that's happening, and us just doing the thing scared shitless. Like, like, it's what they think is confidence, and really it's like, well, I'm not going around with a sign on my shirt saying I'm scared shitless while I'm doing this, but also I am doing this because I know that if I do this sooner than I think I'm ready, I'm gonna get feedback, and when I get feedback, I can get better. Like, that's actually and then confidence is a byproduct, like, can we because I feel like people have a misinterpretation of what true confidence is. 

John Mollura 26:51  

Right, right. So what confidence is, you know, the definition is a belief in yourself, a belief in your abilities. And I'm going to start this with a question. If I ask you, or most people, I'm sure your listeners are, listeners are all lovely, wonderful people, if I ask you or your listeners, like, when you make a commitment to somebody, like, do you show up to that person you've made the commitment to? Right? Like, pretty much 100% right? What if I tweak that question and said, How good are you at showing up when you've made a promise just to yourself?

Lesley Logan 27:31  

See, this is interesting, because this is where, like, I'm really good with myself, but I also know that, like, the time, I'm the first born, firstborn daughter, first born grandchild. There's like, the upholder in me is real. Like, if I don't have to tell anyone to do something, I'm going to do it. But that is also where perfectionism lives, so I have to be very mindful of that. Of like, am I doing it because I'm trying to be perfect, or am I doing it because I, like, I said I would do it so. But I actually know from studies that like the most people listening, they don't, they don't keep it to themselves. They keep it for everyone else but themselves.

John Mollura 28:08  

Right, and that and that right, there is the root, from all the research I've done that's actually the root of people's lack of confidence, is they're not showing up for themselves. Because here's what happens, is we're lying to ourselves. We say I'm going to wake up and go to the gym, or, I mean, this is the year I'm going to start eating healthier, or I'm going to floss my teeth every night. Like, pick, pick a commitment you've made to yourself. If we continually break these commitments time and time again, well, guess what? Our brain recognizes I can't trust me.

Lesley Logan 28:44  

Oh, there. It's, that's it. That's confidence. It's the ability to trust yourself. 

John Mollura 28:50  

Right. Right? Right? 

Lesley Logan 28:53  

That's so good, yes. 

John Mollura 28:55  

Right, and people, when we're when we get into this headspace of, like, why can't I just do the thing like, why can't I start working out? Why can't I start this business? Why can't I have this critical conversation with somebody? They're like, what I don't understand, what's wrong with me? I work with them all the time that they say this and I say, what's causing it is, obviously the root is, you're not keeping promises to yourself on whatever it is, but because you keep your promise to everybody else, your brain kind of short circuits, because it's like, wait a minute, I do keep my promises. And it's like, no, you don't. So there's this like, weird dichotomy going on in your head, as they say, the only way to rectify that is just start keeping promises to yourself and start giving your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of this old set of data that that you with these promises that you've broken to yourself.

Lesley Logan 29:47  

Okay, yes to all that, because we get we allow our phones to get new data all the time. We allow scientists to give us new data. We allow so much grace for people to bring in new data and yet for ourselves were like, no, I'm gonna go on that old operating system, like.

John Mollura 30:04  

Yeah, you're like, working on a Commodore 64. 

Lesley Logan 30:06  

Yeah, oh, yeah. Wait, so this is a funny example. So we've, we got a used car, car of my dreams. It's used, and it is amazing. It is a 2015 that has more technology than my 2020 does. And we, but we were like, Bluetooth-ing to it, which is kind of amazing for a 2015, car to have Bluetooth, right? Kind of amazing. And we're like, oh, it's skipping. I wonder how we update this thing. And it's got, you guys, it has a DVD player. Okay? Car has a DVD player. I didn't know. I was like, oh, it's got a CD player. Were people playing CDs in 2015? No, it doesn't connect to the internet, so it cannot update its system. Like, cannot. I'm gonna have to find some dude, I'm sure it exists here, who, like, can change an operating system. Well, at least that part of the car, right? I'm sure it exists where I live. But it cannot change. However, if we look at that, like, since 2015 how much has technology changed? How much have you changed? How much have you learned about yourself, and if you're still operating off the 2015 version of you, that is going to that is not going to be fun and also going to cause a lot of issues, because the whole world has updated 10 years.

John Mollura 31:16  

Right. Yeah. And the beautiful thing is, it might sound daunting, like, oh my gosh, I don't want to have to, like, reinvent myself. And how am I going to keep promises to myself? You know, I haven't done the thing that I said I was going to do. How am I going to even start doing it now? And I say, the beautiful thing is, about your brain is it doesn't recognize the magnitude of the promise you keep to yourself, like it doesn't recognize the difference between the promise of like, I'm going to climb Mount Everest or I'm going to floss my teeth every night. All it's doing is kicking the block saying, done, done, done, done, and then eventually you're going to hit, like, a critical mass where you're like, wait a minute. I'm just kind of doing things that I said I was going to do that's wild, because that's the beauty of taking small, consistent actions.

Lesley Logan 32:08  

Yeah, yeah. It's like, I love that you brought that up. We think we need, like, some sort of big goal to get going. And really, if you are not already consistently hitting things you say you were gonna do that is, like, a recipe for disaster. Like that is a self-sabotage in itself. Like it is, like, if you are, like, wanting to, like, just make sure you put another sabotage. You'll put a goal on. You'll put a habit on. Like, if you don't go the gym every day, you're like, I'm gonna go the gym five days this week. I don't even need a crystal ball to tell you that you won't. It is impossible to go from never putting your gym bag in the car, going to the gym, hitting the red lights, getting out, knowing where the equipment is, to get in a decent workout, to get the dopamine high that makes you want to go back again. Like it doesn't work. If you live in my town, every other day there's a new construction site. So you don't even get to go the same route, you know, so like, but you have to make it small so it's attainable. That's where you know that perfectionism stuff lies, because then people are like, well, if it's not, if I don't do it, if it's not all or nothing, then it's not worth doing. Like, how do you talk to yourself about doing a small thing? What did you do? 

John Mollura 33:19  

Right. And a lot of that comes down to like that, like, you hit the nail on the head, where people are like, well, I don't have time to get in my hour long workout, so I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it tomorrow, because, you know, I strive for excellence, and I if it's not done right, it's not worth doing at all, which I say, time out. Like, what's better? 45 minutes of exercises, and maybe you don't do the squats and the overhead press for another set or zero? Like, it's perfectionism. This, this kind of all or nothing mentality, and I call these the big three, Lesley, there's perfectionism, there's procrastination, and then there's overthinking, right? Those are three big things that just derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things we say are so important from us. And the good news is about these three, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking, is they all have the same root, like we don't focus on perfectionism because we really care so much about whatever it is. We don't procrastinate because we suck at time management. That's the story we tell ourselves. I'm just bad at time management.

Lesley Logan 34:31  

Yeah, we're not, because there's plenty of proof that you've, like, nailed some things on time, like. 

John Mollura 34:35  

Right, right. We don't overthink because, you know, it's just so important to us that we think of every considerable contingency. The root of procrastination, perfectionism and overthinking, it's fear, and if we get a handle on fear being the root of procrastination, perfectionism and overthinking, now we can get honest with ourselves. We can start telling ourselves the truth of what am I so scared of?

Lesley Logan 35:03  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the question of the day. 

John Mollura 35:08  

Yeah. And it, and it goes back to when we first started here. I said I never came up with a plan, because if you don't have a plan, you can never fail, right? You never, you can never miss your target. So it's the same with procrastination or perfectionism. We find, I bet, if we're honest with ourselves, a lot of things we procrastinate the most on or get, you know, tangled up in perfectionism and overthinking are the things that are probably the closest to our heart and perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking are so convenient ways to hide because if you procrastinate for long enough, you never do the thing. And you can never fail. You try to keep making it perfect, which, spoiler alert, perfection doesn't exist, everybody. Excellence does not perfection. We never have to do the thing. And the reason why these are usually so coupled to the things that are so important to us is because one of our greatest fears as humans, I mean, like we're social creatures, right? One of our deepest fears of everybody is just the way we're wired, is to be kicked out of the tribe, the village, the clan, whatever it is. So a lot of times we resist most putting the things out that show the most of us, because we don't want people to reject us, reject what we're doing, because that taps on a very primal fear.

Lesley Logan 36:37  

Yes, oh, I mean, I mean, so much so, like, I remember not wanting to put out a YouTube video. My husband's like, you should be on YouTube. It's like, you know, 2014, I was like, no, no no, because people are gonna hate it, and they're gonna wonder, who they who am I to do this? There's other people who in my industry who have been teaching longer, and they should have the time. And he goes, I don't know who those people are. I don't care. You need to be on YouTube. And I remember being so scared, and I did the thing because I had to do it kicking and screaming with him, and no one actually got mad. And I was like, oh, then what am I actually afraid of? You know, like I was afraid of being kicked out of, like, the industry, like people would think that I'm some narcissist who thinks she knows everything, and really, what I do get instead, because I did it, is that people love how I show things imperfectly. I'm quite honest and candid about where I am. I'm very direct, and I'm I invite them to go there's actually, like, your body's gonna look different doing this. And so because, because I was, because I should have as me and focus on like the person viewing it, versus like me, it actually turned out to be the best thing I could ever done, because it's so much more authentic. And what I was afraid of didn't happen. In fact, I got brought into the community more, you know, like, and that's but, you know, here's the thing, it is true that whatever you want to do, you might get kicked out of your tribe. You might. There are, there are people who are assholes, and then probably, if you ask yourself, like, do I really, like, want to be in this tribe, not being my authentic self the and you know what I mean, like, I so you're gonna get a two by four to the head, is really what's gonna happen. But your tribe might come with you. You'd be surprised, like, how many people were like, Whoa, John or Lesley really did the thing. And I'm, I'm inspired by them, they actually might join in.

John Mollura 38:31  

Yeah, there's, there's a quote by CS Lewis that I absolutely love. You know, the dude who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia is he says friendship is born that moment that someone says, Wait a minute, you too? I thought I was the only one. Right? 

Lesley Logan 38:50  

Well, John, I could talk to you forever about confidence and imposter syndrome. I really do love this topic. I'm so freaking glad this is what you're doing, because your journey has brought you here. And one of the reasons I wanted to have you back on the pod is, like, I think people get so hung up on like, well, I said I was going to be the photographer, so I've got to be the photographer. I made that switch. And the reality is is like, that could have just been the first next step for you. And so I really wanted people to see, like, what can happen. Look what can happen in three in three years. Like, that's kind of insane. Like, it sounds like a long time. It's not a long time. I can't believe this podcast has been this long. I feel like I just started it. So even though. 

John Mollura 39:36  

That's really hitting you deep, isn't it? It's like the fifth time you mentioned.

Lesley Logan 39:36  

I know I might.

John Mollura 39:36  

Let's unpack that, Lesley. 

Lesley Logan 39:36  

Well, here's what it is. The unpacking is, I actually don't think I'm getting older. I think I'm the same age I was when I moved to Vegas. Like I, actually, we moved here in June of 2020, so in two months, this will have lived here for five years. And It shocks me every day, because I feel like we just moved here. And so when things like this happen, or I meet my friend's kids I haven't seen a few years, I'm like, oh I have gotten older, and, like, not that I'm scared of getting older. That's not it at all. It's just that I actually haven't noticed that. I haven't noticed how much time has flown. And I think one, it's good to notice it, because you can celebrate all that you have done in the last three years. It's kind of epic, right? And then two, time is always going and so what are we doing with that time? You know, if you are procrastin on something, I hope that the five times I mentioned, like, how long it's been, you realize, if you were with us on episode 120 and you still haven't done the thing you wanted to do, like, this is your sign. 

John Mollura 40:37  

Yeah, here's your two by four. Lovingly swung by Lesley and John. 

Lesley Logan 40:41  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I think that's really the unpacking. It's like, I hope that people who have have listened from that episode on have either noticed their sabotaging moments or are going, oh my goodness, it has been three years. Okay. What can I do today? You know, like, what can I do to be it till I see it today? Like, that's what I hope. Let me get this, anyways, we're gonna take a brief break and we can find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you. 

John Mollura 41:08  

Super duper. 

Lesley Logan 41:10  

Hi, John. Where do you hang out? Where can they take your group or your coaching or watch a keynote? Where's it all happening?

John Mollura 41:18  

Yeah, so they can go to johnmollura.com J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, and there is a fun little button there that says, schedule a free call with John. And it is truly that. It is a free call with me, because I just love to chat with people and see where they're at. It's not a sales call. It's just, I love having conversations with people about that. So johnmollura.com they can also download the free resources, the six leverage points for success that I talked about, and they can also get my Elite Level Confidence Blueprint. So there's actually two free resources there. They are under the free stuff tab, creatively titled, but yeah. Just love to connect with people. I post regularly on Instagram, little daily things there my thoughts and musings, and sometimes there's just funny stuff or bloopers. So, John Mollura on Instagram.

Lesley Logan 42:09  

I love it. Okay, you have given us so many things. And obviously those freebies sound like a Be It Action Item all in themselves, but what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps can people take to be it till they see it? 

John Mollura 42:19  

Right. So when you face these decisions, moment to moment, minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day, when you hit those decision points, you need to ask yourself, is what I'm going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future you? Is it when I meet the future you in the future, is it going to be standing there like downtrodden, tired, disappointed that we didn't go after it, or when you meet the future you, is it going to just like high five you and give you a big hug and say, thank you for honoring me, thank you for doing the thing in that moment.

Lesley Logan 42:19  

Oh, I love that. Oh, that's so fun. 

John Mollura 42:38  

Yeah, super deep. 

Lesley Logan 42:48  

That's great. I think that's such an impactful way to explore the fear, too. Yeah, guys, how will you use that tip in your life? Make sure John knows. Make sure you share it with the Be It Pod. Also share this episode with a friend. You know those friends who like keep overthinking the thing or procrastinating send it to them, they will only notice at this moment that why you're sending it to them. But like, you know, sometimes people need to hear it from someone else in a different word or just a different time, and so that's how we actually all rise up. We need to do it together. That's what makes your sandbox with your boundaries a more playful place, because everyone is understanding where that's coming from. So thank you for listening. John, thank you for being here. Fun to catch up with you. It's so good. We'll have to, we have to see each other in real life at some point. But, you guys, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 43:54  

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Brad Crowell 44:36  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:44  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? We're almost there. We're almost to the holiday and then the chaos, and I'm gonna go on winter tour. We're almost there. We're not there yet. We got an extra week before that one holiday comes up, and I think that's great. And if you don't live in the States then you are just doing great. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

All right, it's the FYF episode. So this is where it's short, sweet. Get you thinking about ways you could be it till you see it. I get to riff on some things. We get to know each other better. Send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Send in a question as well, we answer those on the recap. Those happen on Thursdays. Interviews happen on Tuesdays. I'm fucking loving the interviews that are coming up, and we have a really great one coming up that's gonna lead into our habit series. So hope you're subscribed to the channel so you never miss an episode from us. 

Lesley Logan 1:29  

Okay, this was an interesting thing. I don't know if it inspired me or pissed me off, so we're gonna remind ourselves together. So it says around 76% of high performing women reported, reportedly received negative feedback from their managers, compared to just 2% of high performing men. Oh yeah, this one pissed me off. This comes from data collected from 23,000 employees across 250 organizations, by the way, so not a small, not a small thing. Why is this happening? Unconscious bias leads managers, male or female, to typically evaluate women during performance reviews on their personality rather than the work they contribute. Are they easy to work with? Do they get along with everyone? Are they likable or collaborative? Doesn't it, I just want to, I just want to be fucking pissed. I'm pissed off, right? So like no one's asking if a guy is likable, which, by the way, like often they smell, or things like that, like no one's asking. They're valued on the work that they do, but it's always been this way, and we have to figure out how to change this. I think it comes from like, raising girls to be quiet, stop doing that. We need to raise them to brag, you know, and like, we need to raise like we need to raise them not to be like, oh, you know, make sure, no, tell people how you feel. You know, it's important. So I think this is an interesting thing. I don't know how we solve this problem, but if you are a leader who gives reviews, maybe make sure that, if you're telling women that their person, like their personality, has some issues, make sure you do with men too, or don't do with either of them, right? These areas of feedback don't necessarily touch on women's performance, which hurts both the employee and the employer. That's right. The employee, remember, is a high performer, she's going to be looking for concrete ways to grow and progress in her career. If she's receiving feedback on how nice she is. Well, she might not, she might start looking for work elsewhere. Managers, keep it constructive and hold on to top talent. This is so true. If you've got these high achieving women working for you, but you're busy working on things that they need to change about themselves. They're going to go somewhere else who wants them, right? And you're also not helping them better themselves for the work that they're doing for you. So I love it. I agree. We need to consider how we are, the expectations on women, because they are doing so much. I'm not I'm not trying to shit on the men, because, like, there are some really great men out there, but I do think that we are missing out on some good stuff, and we're not treating people in a way that allows everybody to win. And there is a way, like, there's no pie, right? So if, if you're going to do performance reviews around likeability. You got to do it for everybody. If you're just going to do it on performance, you got to do it for everybody like you can't have that bias, and if you do have that bias, it's probably a good time to get that checked out. And maybe you need to change your review process. And if it's happening to you, at your review process, get inspired by these other ladies and find work somewhere else where you can be challenged because you're fucking amazing, right? And start celebrating your wins in front of them, right? That might help them. I think sometimes it's really easy to go, oh, you know, like to downplay the things that you did. 

Lesley Logan 4:33  

So okay, let's start bragging about you guys. We have Charlotte Coker. She said, I finally launched my website after several months of working on it. Little by little, I'm very proud of myself for doing something so outside my comfort zone, my home studio, feels like it's really rocking and rolling. Yay, yay, Charlotte. It is really rocking and rolling. You are doing a lot, I know, like it's really easy to go, Oh my gosh, I expect to be done by now. But like, little by little. I mean, the thing is, is you actually, nothing happens overnight, like websites, especially, they take time. So I'm super proud of you. I think you're doing great work, and I am so excited that you are kicking off your home studio before it is even ready. That is being it till you see it full and on. And so way to go. Thank you for sharing that with us. You guys need to share your wins at beitpod.com/questions. 

Lesley Logan 5:23  

Okay, my win. Okay. I think if you've been listening to podcast for a long time, you know, I've been on a hobby hunt. I think I have found my hobby, and it's not getting my nails done. I am so excited. We had guests come on to talk about tarot, and I was so obsessed with her, and she sent me a deck, and I'm not really sure if her episodes out yet or not, so we'll save more information on that later. But ever since then, then I, like, found this book that helps me study tarot, and I can do it with writing. But then I found another book that's a little bit different, the same they all have, they all say the same things, but in a different way, which helps me, like, repeat what I'm learning. And then I found an app. It's like the Duolingo. They call the Duolingo for tarot, and I'm gonna reach out and see if they want to do ads, because I'm kind of obsessed with it. Every single day I I do this, and it's not easy, right? Like, it's definitely something I feel like I'm gonna have a better grasp on the more I practice out loud. This is kind of the ones I like, I have to, like, read out loud and do it out loud. But at any rate, I'm super excited because I was a I was a little like, should I call it a hobby? I've only been, like, playing it, but now we're like, four months, and I do it daily, and I really love it, and it is a great way for me as a person who's like, I want a journal. I want to have some more self-reflection time. It helps me helps have some self-reflection. So I can't wait for you to hear the episode, because you're gonna hear someone who's never delved into tarot, like interview this person, and now you'll know I'm, like, a hobbyist right now, and (inaudible) to do readings for people, just maybe for myself. But I am just like feeling really excited that I think I have a hobby that I like, want to stick with, and I have been trying to find a hobby for years, and I'm feeling joy around it, and that's my win. Okay, what's yours? Send it into the Be It Pod. 

Lesley Logan 7:09  

Here is your affirmation for the weekend. I deserve information and I deserve moments of silence, too. I deserve information and I deserve moments of silence, too. I deserve information and I deserve moments of silence, too. You guys, as an introvert who likes people, I love my moments of silence as much as I love seeing you and getting your information. So that affirmation really feels like it's very representative. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 7:44  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:27  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:31  

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Brad Crowell 8:36  

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Lesley Logan 8:43  

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Brad Crowell 8:46  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley and Brad recap key insights from physical therapist Dr. Jen Fraboni (@docjenfit), co-host of The Optimal Body Podcast. Known for helping people move with less pain and more confidence, Dr. Jen redefines pain as an “alarm,” not a stop sign—your body’s way of asking for better care and awareness. Lesley and Brad unpack her practical strategies for building stability before flexibility, tuning in before you train, and aging with strength and ease.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Lesley’s pain-as-alarm concept to daily self-check habits.
• Brad overcomes foot pain by staying active instead of stopping.
• How Lesley’s yoga experience illustrated “stability before flexibility” 
• The importance of reflection and consistency when pain shows up unexpectedly.
• How building strength supports graceful aging and confidence in movement.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

When we feel pain, really doing some sort of, creating some sort of, like, okay, hold on, what's my sleep like, what's my intake like, what's my fuel like, have I been consistent? You know, just do some reflection. 

Lesley Logan 0:12  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:51  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the empowering convo I had with Jen Fraboni in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you've missed out on an incredible interview with DocJenFit. That's her Instagram handle or her handle everywhere. So many of you love her, know her, and this was a really cool, I thought, very vulnerable convo as well. She shared a lot about going on her life, how she handles things. I love when people are like, just a human and so it's gonna be really good. So I can't wait to recap it, but before we do that, today is November 20th 2025, and we have two days to celebrate. And to be honest, there was like seven, so we could have chosen. There was a few that I was like, well, I don't use less, so we can't use use less day, because I'm so not participating. But there's a couple others, but we're going to focus on two of them. One is the Great American Smokeout. The American Cancer Society sponsors a Great American Smokeout on the third Thursday of November annually, challenging smokers to give up cigarettes for 24 hours. If you or a loved one smoke cigarettes, consider joining the movement and take the first step towards quitting cigarettes forever. How? Let's both try to do something tough for a day. I'll give up either coffee, sugar, social media. 

Brad Crowell 2:10  

You're you are allowed to pitch this to them. 

Lesley Logan 2:13  

Oh, this is how you're gonna pitch it. 

Brad Crowell 2:14  

Yeah. This is how you're gonna pitch this to them. 

Lesley Logan 2:15  

This is how you're gonna pitch it. So you're gonna, you, if you're a non-smoker, if you're a smoker, then you can tell another smoker, you guys could do it together. But if you're a non-smoker, asking a smoker, then you're gonna say, I'm gonna give up something they know. You're gonna have a hard time giving up for 24 hours. 

Brad Crowell 2:30  

Like, maybe it's Instagram, maybe it's chocolate, could be sugar.

Lesley Logan 2:35  

Coffee, you know something like that and you give up smoking, think of it as a reset, not a rule. So.

Brad Crowell 2:43  

And that's what you can also tell them, It's a reset, not a rule. 

Lesley Logan 2:45  

Well, Brad, can we, like, let's how hard, can we talk about it? 

Brad Crowell 2:50  

We can certainly talk about it. 

Lesley Logan 2:51  

Okay, you quit smoking. 

Brad Crowell 2:53  

I did quit smoking. 

Lesley Logan 2:54  

If he had been a smoker when we met, it would have not we would not be married 10 years. 

Brad Crowell 2:58  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 2:59  

Because we would not have gone on a date. 

Brad Crowell 3:00  

Yeah. I mean, it's. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

My grandfather was a smoker. 

Brad Crowell 3:04  

It doesn't smell good. 

Lesley Logan 3:05  

Yeah. So I have had two grandfathers who are massive smokers, one who lost a lung to smoking, and another one who had multiple heart problems, and the heart doctor refused to operate on him unless he quit smoking. So I, like, this is a big like, personal thing, because I lost family members to smoking. But I know it's not easy. So Brad.

Brad Crowell 3:26  

Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before, so it was the decision to smoke or to quit smoking was, for me, it was made emotionally, which is what made it easy. The decision to stop, to stay with that initial decision was actually quite challenging, you know, because of the addiction, because of nicotine, but because I wanted to sing more than I wanted to smoke, that was the emotional decision. It was like, oh my god, this is a very I just have to stop, like, I can't, I can't be on stage and not be able to sing. So that I think that was hard, because I had to hit a wall in order for that decision to become emotional and then for it to actually happen in my life. But okay, great. That's step one. Then step two is consistently not smoking when I used to smoke. So in the car with the window down, or I don't remember, you know, walking out of my apartment complex, there was a there was, like, part of my routine, you know, and doing those things, like continuing to do life, you're going to run back into those instances where you used to do the habit and would always make me think, this is what I would normally pull out a cigarette. And so that was, that was a constant battle for, honestly, for just a few weeks. 

Lesley Logan 4:56  

Well, it's interesting, because so in a couple of weeks, we have a habit series starting and in one of the episodes, I talked about how to unravel a habit. And for smoking, like all we can be completely honest, there is an addictive element to it, in that they made it addictive. So you have a habit, you smoke when you're in traffic. My old roommate, she would she when she quit smoking was the hardest thing, because she's like, Lesley, I'm in traffic for 45 minutes, and I used to just sit there and smoke, and now I am not. So she had lollipops and teas and coffees because she needed something to do in the car. She actually had, like, the patches like, well, that helps you quit. So she's like, I don't even have the craving to smoke. I have the habit. So I will talk about how to unravel a habit in that series in December, so make sure you're paying attention. Okay, the other day, this is really important to Brad and I that we wanted to bring it up. (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 5:47  

Second thing we wanted to remember today. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

Yes. So it's Transgender Day of Remembrance. For generations, the transgender population has suffered various forms of abuse and even death for or murder, so we'll call it that, for challenging the views, notions and stereotypes around male and female identity. Every year, we set aside today as Transgender Day of Remembrance. This holiday is meant to honor, commemorate and memorialize those who face discrimination and stigma on a daily basis across this nation. This holiday is also meant to advocate for transgenders people's rights, as well as focus on the persistent struggles they face in their everyday lives and how others can share their love, support and hope. If you listen to this podcast and you have a fucking problem with transgenders, I am just going to be on, I need you to explore why. These are just people. They're just people, and they've been around forever. And I bring it, I bring it up in one of the FYF is coming up about like, how in the indigenous cultures, they actually have people, they already had words for this. This is something. It's actually a fucking cool thing. Like you have the ability to see the world the way they see it through both lenses. It's a powerful thing. And I fucking clearly I'm pissed about it, but I get so annoyed. We flew on a plane the other day, and no one has a problem using a toilet on a plane, but all of a sudden they have a fucking problem of sharing a bathroom with another person of a different gender, and it's like, what are we talking about here? You just shared a bathroom. So I don't understand when they make neutral bathrooms, how people get pissed about that. I also just listened to this one thing. If I could find the reel I'll send it to the team to link it. If you don't see the link below, it's because I couldn't find it. But this person is is explaining how it's sort of the safety of women to in the bathrooms, of why they want people using the bathrooms of their own, like birth certificate, right? And this one person is a trans man. He goes, so what you're actually saying is that men are a danger to women and you don't want them in their bathrooms. So that's the problem. We should solve that problem. We shouldn't be policing genitals. So I just get really upset because it's just bothersome to me. Why do we why do we care so much we have healthcare issues in this country. We have poverty issue. We have children who don't have enough food. 

Brad Crowell 8:06  

We have food issues, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 8:07  

The higher percentage of people. 

Brad Crowell 8:09  

We have water issues. Did you know, I don't remember what the number is, but like, (inaudible) I think, I think it was Jackson, Mississippi, like, they don't have running water in in, like, many parts of the city. I don't know what the the numbers are, but like, that was a thing in a couple years ago. 

Lesley Logan 8:24  

Yes, no, there's a higher percentage of people who are listening to this show that know someone who's homeless, who is a pover in poverty, who has food. What do you call it? Like a food uncertainty? Then then know of someone who's transgendered and so why? Like, what are we doing? So I'm just pissed about it. I'm just over it. I'm over people being so uptight and like that they're a threat to who you are. You know, it goes to that whole thing where it's like, if you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you don't like gay marriage, if somebody of your same sex asks you to marry them, don't say yes. Like, you don't have to do any of these things. You don't have to be trans like this is I just get annoyed. I'm pissed. Anyways, so today is the day to remember the people who have been fighting to exist as they feel like they should exist, and we should do what we can to honor those people. And if you don't know anyone, maybe consider looking at a community service organization in your area that you could donate to if you are listening from Las Vegas, when you buy food from the Bronze Cafe, their proceeds, part of their proceeds go to the LGBTQ community for mental health. So it's really, really cool. We use their restaurant for all of our retreats here in Las Vegas. We can help support that.

Brad Crowell 9:37  

And they have a second location at the.

Lesley Logan 9:43  

Oh Brad's so excited. 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

The conservation preserve, the Springs Preserve here, which has has a massive cactus garden. So go to the cactus garden. Go eat lunch, and you'll be also helping support (inaudible) the transgender community here.

Lesley Logan 9:58  

Yeah, when you come visit Las Vegas, you should go to Springs Preserves, and then you can go to Bronze Cafe. Okay, cool stuff coming up now. So here we go. 

Brad Crowell 10:06  

All right, so here's what we got coming up on the docket, actually, next week, or Yyeah, literally, in a few days, is the Black Friday Cyber Monday coming up for you've probably already been inundated with everything that's been crazy, but for us, we're going to do it actually, during the old school Black Friday Cyber, Cyber Monday is even new. Black Friday, so it's the 26th to the first of December for OPC only, y'all so check your email for more details, starting yesterday. So just go check your emails if you haven't already, we've got an offer for you with OPC.

Lesley Logan 10:37  

If you didn't get an email, it's because you have not signed up for our emails, or you unsubscribed from us, and we don't take that personally. You could just resubscribe. But yeah, the dates will be November 26th December 1st. 

Brad Crowell 10:47  

If you're wondering what it is and you didn't get the email, just DM us and we can send you the right place.

Lesley Logan 10:52  

We're really excited about this sale, and it's the one time of the year we do it, so take advantage. Don't ask us on December 2nd for it. It's not how it works. It's actually a lot of work. 

Brad Crowell 11:01  

Speaking of December, we're gonna be on the road again for our winter tour for OPC, and the actual dates we're gonna get, it's like starting on the seventh or sixth.

Lesley Logan 11:11  

No, it's like the fifth, I think it's the fifth in Colorado Springs, and it ends on. 

Brad Crowell 11:15  

Oh, yeah, we gotta drive there, though, so we leave.

Lesley Logan 11:18  

We leave earlier than it starts. We come home the day that it ends so but it's like, it's like, December 5th through the January 6th or January 7th. 

Brad Crowell 11:28  

And we do come home the day that ends. 

Lesley Logan 11:30  

I, yeah, I know that we sound like when it comes to this tour that we're like, not organized. The last time we recorded, we had no idea where we're going. And now we do, and it's huge. The whole tour is listed, 23 cities. 

Brad Crowell 11:42  

Yeah, 23. 

Lesley Logan 11:43  

Colorado Springs. 

Brad Crowell 11:45  

23 public events. 

Lesley Logan 11:46  

St Louis.

Brad Crowell 11:47  

Yeah, the fifth, the first the first event is on December 5 in Colorado Springs, then we go to Fayetteville.

Lesley Logan 11:54  

Oh, Fayetteville. Oh, I'm so sorry. How could I skip Arkansas. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

Then St Louis on the 7th. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

Then St Louis, then Detroit, then Columbus. 

Brad Crowell 12:01  

No, then Lexington. 

Lesley Logan 12:03  

I'm going to Lexington. 

Brad Crowell 12:04  

You're going to Lexington.

Lesley Logan 12:04  

Oh, I am going to Lexington, but I'm going in that order.

Brad Crowell 12:06  

Then you're going to Columbus, then you're going to Detroit.

Lesley Logan 12:09  

What? How does the map work? Am I going like zigzag?

Brad Crowell 12:14  

Believe it or not, they're almost in line. Yeah, they're, they are.

Brad Crowell 12:18  

I don't understand the middle. I'm so sorry. Okay, then we go to Pittsburgh. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

Okay, Pittsburgh. Then we go to. 

Brad Crowell 12:25  

Rochester 

Lesley Logan 12:26  

Rochester

Brad Crowell 12:27  

New York 

Lesley Logan 12:27  

Oh, yeah, we're going to, do you say Rochester or you go Rochester. How do you say it? 

Brad Crowell 12:31  

Rochester

Lesley Logan 12:32  

Rochester

Brad Crowell 12:33  

Rochester, New York. And then we go to Boston, Cape Cod, Hartford, Connecticut. That's a new one for us. Hershey, Pennsylvania. We're coming back Rehoboth Beach. 

Lesley Logan 12:42  

That's a new one for us. 

Brad Crowell 12:43  

That's new, to Delaware, that'll be just after Christmas, and then we have Washington, DC, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, North Carolina. That's new for us. We've got Delray. This is Florida. We're gonna be hoofing it from North Carolina all the way down to Delray, Florida. This is new.

Lesley Logan 12:59  

Christmas Eve, Del Rey. 

Brad Crowell 13:01  

Nope, New Year's Eve Del Rey. On a roll, here.

Lesley Logan 13:07  

You guys Del Rey is near Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Florida, correct? 

Brad Crowell 13:11  

Yeah. It's just north of Fort Lauderdale, I think. 

Lesley Logan 13:14  

So our Miami stop has moved up a little bit because most of you are driving from that area anyway, so you're welcome. And then we do New Year's Day with our Pilates crew that's in Tampa.

Brad Crowell 13:26  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 13:26  

And then we go to Pensacola. 

Brad Crowell 13:28  

Yes. Then New Orleans. 

Lesley Logan 13:30  

New Orleans, and then Houston. 

Brad Crowell 13:31  

Then, Houston. 

Lesley Logan 13:32  

Houston. We haven't been to Houston in years.

Brad Crowell 13:34  

Yeah, it's been quite a few years for us to be in Houston. That'll be on January 4th and then fifth in Austin, and then Phoenix, we're coming to you on the seventh.

Lesley Logan 13:42  

Yeah. So get your tickets at opc.me/events, by the way. 

Brad Crowell 13:46  

Nope, opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour. 

Lesley Logan 13:50  

There's two links. Okay, sorry, opc.me/tour is where you get your tickets. And at the time we're recording this, we're over 57% sold out. By the time you're hearing this, it's going to be way closer to sold out, because literally, nine events only have one spot right now in them. So go to opc.me/tour. Bring your friends. Also in December, we didn't do a Profitable Pilates Black Friday, Cyber Monday this year, because we want you to focus on, so save the date, December 26th or the 31st that will be on the Profitable Pilates newsletter list. So you have to be on that one. So for the Pilates instructors studio owners who want business flights, we're gonna have some special deal on Agency. We've never done it before. So make sure you're watching your inbox for that if you don't get those emails, just DM us and the team will help you out. 

Brad Crowell 14:36  

By the way, we're 55% sold out. 

Lesley Logan 14:39  

Oh, I know, but we're. 

Brad Crowell 14:40  

I just checked. 

Lesley Logan 14:41  

I know, but it hasn't been updated in 48 hours, so.

Brad Crowell 14:44  

Maybe even more, so it might be closer to 60. Good stuff.

Lesley Logan 14:48  

Yeah, I think so. And then after our tour, we come home for one day, kick off, eLevate, get our roots done, get our nails done by (inaudible), and then we go to Huntington Beach. Teach for the Pilates Journal Expo. This is a really cool two-day event, huge lineup of teachers. I don't I it's like a fucking party. So you should just go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. So just two Xs guys, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then if you aren't already on the waitlist, you'll want to be on the waitlist because also, in January, we're going to open up the early bird registration for our Pilates retreat in Cambodia. This we just came back from. 

Brad Crowell 15:28  

Y'all it is going to be amazing. 

Lesley Logan 15:30  

I'm making so many mistakes, because we just got back and it was the coolest retreat of life. No offense to the people we've been on retreats with before, you were amazing.

Brad Crowell 15:37  

Incredible retreat. 

Lesley Logan 15:38  

But like, if you have ever thought, oh, my god, they must get bored of this. We don't. We had the best fucking time. It was like we I just loved it. So I can't wait to take you,

Brad Crowell 15:48  

Yeah, and I think, I think this year is going to be sorry, next year, So 2026, is going to be even better. And I know we've had a lot of interest already, but one of the things we're going to do differently, in January, we're going to have a call for everyone who's curious about this, the retreat, all the questions. We're going to have a couple of our past retreaters join us live, and we're going to have them just answer those questions. You can ask them directly. They can share with you their experience, you know, the process of getting there, like, did they feel safe? What kind of food was it? What kind of activities did they enjoy? All the things that you might be curious about. And I'm telling you, it is gonna next year, is gonna sell quickly. So, get yourself on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and we can't wait to see it all there.

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Every group is got its own, different vibe. This group, we were like, rapping in the in the bus on the way to like, no one took a nap. Usually people are napping. We were like, half a native. So anyways, crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com/waitlist get you on the waitlist. Okay, in February, that is when our Agency Mini is happening. That is our three day event. I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're going to try, but you know, we'll see. So you're going back to Agency Mini, you want to get on the waitlist for that if you want to make sure you don't miss the early bird discount, prfit.biz/mini holy fucking molly, there's a lot of events coming up. So Poland and Brussels, that is in March, you guys. And I mean, a lot of questions about, are you doing anything in Europe? Anything? This is it. We're going, we're like, literally not getting on a plane until March, and I don't have plans to get on a plane after March until Cambodia. So if you want to see me, you need to check out the Poland Controlology Pilates conference. xxll.co/poland and or Brussels, xxll.co/brussels, two events, different workshops to both events, you can you're welcome to come to both. Karen Frischmann is actually collabing on that with me and the host studios, so you get two amazing teachers for the price of a weekend. And it's pretty kind of it's pretty awesome. So different workshops, plus there's a day of privates and semi private classes. So you can also jump in and enjoy some workouts with us. You don't want to miss it, because I don't know when we're coming back. Okay? And then we're gonna leave that. Brad and I are gonna do a vacation. 

Brad Crowell 18:08  

What? Weird. 

Lesley Logan 18:09  

About nine, 10 days vacation in Europe, and then April after our vacation, we wrap up in April at P.O.T. London, and now it's official. Now if you've been hearing me say, I'm not allowed to tell you, I don't know if we're allowed to tell you, we can tell you I signed a contract. I don't I don't I don't know if there's a link out yet, but I'm sure there is. So just look at like, P.O.T. London from Balanced Body, and you'll find it. All right, oh my gosh, okay, should we let's get to this audience question, and we got to get to this amazing recap episode.

Brad Crowell 18:34  

All right, so the audience question this week was from @audreyphipps1726, on YouTube. She, this is for the Pilates equipment for beginners video. She said, hey, what size is that Try Me Stability Ball. I would love to find one. 

Lesley Logan 18:50  

Yeah, so the triad ball that's.

Brad Crowell 18:53  

I was wondering. 

Lesley Logan 18:54  

Audrey, it took me a second. I was like, try me. I'd have to Google this, because sometimes people go, hey, what do you think of this item? And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I realize it's my accent. It's the triad ball, and I don't actually know the dimensions. It's a purple ball that you don't want to fill all the way up. It's smaller than a I guess it'd be like, volleyball size when it's filled up, but you want it to be a little squishy. And where did I get it. I think I went on Balanced Body. Let's see.

Brad Crowell 19:24  

The OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. 

Lesley Logan 19:27  

Is it purple? 

Brad Crowell 19:28  

Um, yeah, it's purple. 

Lesley Logan 19:30  

Yeah, the OPTP. 

Brad Crowell 19:32  

Yeah. OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. 

Lesley Logan 19:35  

You can get it at like, Target. 

Brad Crowell 19:37  

Yeah, even at Walmart. 

Lesley Logan 19:38  

I'm not shopping at Target these days, but you can get on OPTP's website, they have a bunch. They have a huge website, lots of amazing stuff on TP actually, you'll kind of like, it's good products, good stuff. So if you have a question, you can text us at +13109055534, or submit it to beitpod.com/questions. You can also leave a win. And I love getting your wins, because I love helping people see like there's a celebration in everything. You know there's a reason to celebrate the whole every if you just watch the news and open up your phone, it fucking sucks. So you got to have a place where you know it's going to be some good news, and you might hear your win on a day you need to remind yourself that you had a fucking win.

Brad Crowell 20:17  

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you are 100% right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 20:23  

Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Dr. Jen Fraboni. Dr. Jen Fraboni, also known as Doc Jen Fit, is a physical therapist passionate about helping people move more with less pain and more confidence. She is the founder of Jen.Health, a platform and app designed to make strength, mobility and recovery accessible for everyone. Alongside her husband, she cohosts The Optimal Body Podcast. Her work has also been featured nationally, including on Good Morning America and NBC, where she shared simple strategies to ease back pain during the pandemic. So we well, it was just a great conversation, by the way, nobody knows this, but I get to watch the the full interview call, right? And. 

Lesley Logan 21:06  

You watch it? 

Brad Crowell 21:07  

Yeah, watch every single one of them. That's how I do prep. Oh, I thought you just listened, nope, 100% of the time watching the interview. So the beginning of it was really fun because you were saying that, basically you were like, oh my gosh, this is how my day is gonna go today. I'm so excited to start today with this interview.

Lesley Logan 21:26  

Well, because, because it was a Zoom call with Jen Fraboni. And I was like, it's Jen Fraboni. And then it was then she showed up, like, Oh my God. Like, I was like, I mean, I guess I could have looked up.

Brad Crowell 21:39  

Doc Jen Fit. 

Lesley Logan 21:40  

I mean, I knew I was interviewing her at some point, but I just my brain didn't like keep her, keep her last name associated with her Instagram handle, but yeah, how fun is that? I don't know, maybe the team left in the outtakes. Yeah, it was so good. 

Brad Crowell 21:53  

Yeah. So you know what, what the two of you were digging into. I thought it was just really great talking about paying because I I related a lot to that, especially this past year, I've actually had a lot of pain with my my foot. So anyway, you know. 

Lesley Logan 22:08  

But well, that goes into, like, something like, what I liked that she addressed about pain was that, like, most of the time it's just an alarm. Especially if you didn't get an accident, like, and sometimes your pain is like, you're just sitting there, and all of a sudden something hurts in your body, and you're like, ah, this hurts. And I'm like, just sitting there, like, what are you talking about? So in that case, if it wasn't, like, you know, you fell down the stairs, you tripped across the street, you were in a car accident, if you have pain, it is your body going, Hey, hi. You're not taking good care of me, right? It's like, just trying to get your attention. And I just like, if we think of that as what it is, as opposed to, I have to stop doing everything that was associated with that, because this is what happens, right? People come to Pilates once a week. The goal is three to four times. Week four is better. That's the goal, right? But I have someone who'll come once a week, and they go, they'll see me the next week. Oh, last last week. My back hurt, so we need to be conscious of that. And it's like so there are six other days, plus the 23 hours of the day. I didn't see you. What did you do? How are you taking care of yourself? I'm not saying the Pilates doesn't didn't hurt you. What I am saying is more likely than not, it wasn't the Pilates, but the Pilates is the unique thing about your day, right? So it's, it's similar to, I have some stomach digestive issues, and I would go, Oh, I think I got gluten, or I must have had some dairy. When I found out that I'm also allergic to oats. And every fucking day I was having oat milk, right?. And I wasn't associating, like, any of the other boring food I was having all of the time, I was coming up with, like, this unique thing that could have happened, so I really like that.

Brad Crowell 23:53  

We were just with our friend, and the next day he was like, I think I got glutened yesterday. It must have been that meal that we ate, you know? And I said, you know, I'm I'm also not feeling 100% and then I thought about the restaurant, which is we've eaten at 100 times. And I was like, what did we do differently? And he had the spiciest Margarita I think I've ever tasted, and I was loading on the hot sauce. I was like, You know what, man, I wonder. I mean, look, it's possible that you got glutened but they were, they specifically came out and told us that they made this gluten free. So I'd be surprised. Maybe there was some leftover, something (inadible) but also, like, the two of us ate something that was pretty off the path. I like to eat spicy stuff, but, like, we ate a lot of it.

Lesley Logan 24:39  

His his his Margarita was almost undrinkable. 

Lesley Logan 24:42  

It was crazy. You diluted it twice.

Lesley Logan 24:44  

And you know, I like a spicy mar I was like, I I think that was gonna provide a colonic, to be completely honest, anyways. But I just think, like, she gave some really great stuff, like she talked about her own personal experience, like she's got some back pain, and she's like, Oh, I've been sleeping less, I'm breastfeeding, I'm sitting more, and I'm not moving my body. So what can I do to be more conscious about the things that I need to give myself?

Brad Crowell 25:06  

Yeah, I think, I think, with the, with the the idea that people coming into class and saying, Oh, well, last week, I was in pain afterwards, you know, the what she mentioned, which I thought was really obvious but needed to be heard. She said, you know, if you're in the gym lifting and you like, tweak your back, obviously you're going to say, well, I shouldn't do that again. No, no problem, of course. But that was probably not that was the moment that things were stressed to the point of ouch. But that wasn't the only moment. There are definitely other things leading up to that exact moment of when, when your body is, like, we're done trying to hold it together here, now you're in pain. And she said, so, so there's other movements that you're probably doing in your life that are, it's cumulative, right? It's, it's, it's adding up over time, and then bam, maybe the moment that it happened was in a class when you're probably doing something particular that you wouldn't be normally doing, like doing a headstand, or whatever it might be, you know, being on one leg, you know, the, the, but, that's probably not where it started. 

Lesley Logan 26:16  

I think we could all agree in this moment where we're not in pain, right? I hurt my knee doing a deadlift. When I hired my trainer, I said, Yeah, I've been dead lifting a lot lighter because it doesn't bother my knee. But the actual thing that's bothering my knee is the fact that I had weak inner thighs and hamstrings compared to my quads, and then the way my gait is on that leg, that's why my knee hurt. It just so happened that I felt the pain doing the deadlift. The deadlift is actually not the problem my form and my deadlift is not the problem. It is an in-balance and muscles on that leg. And so what can we be doing to make sure that we're taking, like, consistent care of ourselves, and then when we hear, when we feel pain, really doing some sort of creating, some sort of like, okay, hold on, what's my sleep like, what's my intake like, what's my fuel like, have I been consistent? So if you are someone who, like, doesn't work out for a week, and then goes and works out hard, like, I got to get in it, just so, you know, you're going to be in some pain afterwards because you didn't have consistency going into it. So, you know, just do some reflection before you go, oh, that's a problem.

Brad Crowell 27:20  

Speak about reflection, which, which is, this is pretty funny for, for if you have people coming in and saying, well, last time I did this, I hurt. 

Lesley Logan 27:29  

Or if you are that person. 

Brad Crowell 27:30  

Yeah or if you are that person, do you wake up and hurt like, should this? Does that mean you shouldn't sleep like? You know what I mean, the logic doesn't apply here. I just heard like. 

Lesley Logan 27:43  

So this has nothing to do with that, but it's just my brain thing. Okay?. So this person goes, like, this, like, thing I saw. This person goes, I need to go on a vacation. And this other person goes, did you just come back from a vacation? And then it's like, you should just say, Did you have lunch yesterday? And they're like, yeah, that does that mean you need lunch today? Right? Like, yeah, like, you're if you're.

Brad Crowell 28:06  

Like, obviously, you're not gonna say, Well, I guess I shouldn't sleep because, because maybe you just slept on your shoulder, weird, or whatever. And also, too, it doesn't (inaudible) it also doesn't mean that your shoulder is broken or jacked up. It means you stressed it improperly for an extended period of time. Maybe you were sleeping on it weird, right? And how, like, you know, you know how that is, you know how that that feeling is. It could be your ankle or something where it takes a couple of hours for it to work itself out. And what's happening there, which I which I thought was interesting. She talks about how pain. It's a signal from the brain saying something is not 100% correct here. Something is not 100% correct here. Just a reminder. A reminder, a reminder.

Lesley Logan 28:50  

It's like, when you hit the button and the community goes, er, and you're like, let me hit that again, it goes, er, and you're like, I don't know why I'm expecting something different. 

Brad Crowell 28:58  

Yeah, well, and here's how this, here's how this relates to what I loved. She said. She said, the more we don't use it, we lose it, right? You use it or lose it. You've heard that phrase a million times. But she said the thing that was that frustrates her the most is when she her clients come to her and say, the doctor told me I'm not allowed to do this anymore, right? The thing, whatever the thing is, and this is what related to me because, you know, a couple months, Well, geez, in February of this year, it's now, you know, November, I started to feel pain in my foot, in the top of my foot, it was like this pulling pain. It felt like fascia or nerves. I couldn't decide. I still can't decide. And for a long, long time, I just stopped things. I just stopped doing, you know, like, the pointing of my toe, stopped it. All the stuff that you do in yoga class, stopped it. I was like, I need some time off. Well, I gave up the time off, and it didn't fix it, right? So, then what? Then what it was the next thing we do? Started going to the chiropractor. Chiropractor couldn't figure out what's going on, right there. She's like, Hey, you're you're aligned. What are you talking about, right? So, you know, then I was like, must be these other things. So I'm starting to massage myself. I'm doing all this stuff. And then a couple, like, two months ago, I just decided, You know what, I'm just gonna get warm and I'm gonna keep using my foot. I'm just gonna keep using it. Because, you know, one of the things that she said is especially being pregnant a second time, she leaned into, you know, doing her workouts, when her body was was starting to, like, freak out, but her body was going through a major change, and she said, you know, maybe she modified the exercise, but she always felt better after doing her workout, despite being told, you know, you know, her body, you know, sending a signal. And I think, I think that we have to be careful with this. You know, same for me, I have to actually be careful with this. It's not no pain, no gain, yeah, it's not real. I don't agree with that. It's also, you know, there are, there are moments where your body is is trying to warn you on something, but you need to be able to decide for what that is and and understand, right? Is it like pain to the point of like damage, or are we talking that, that signal of warning, you know, that's like, Oh, you have to be cautious, right? 

Lesley Logan 31:12  

Yeah. Well, it makes it so this morning, I was doing my first Pilates practice on the Reformer in three weeks. And I did not I was like, man, I got my Spine Corrector, and I was like, this not feel awesome. It didn't hurt. It just was like, right? And then I got in the Reformer, and the first overhead kind of was like, but then the second one felt better and the third one felt better. So it's not, it is no no pain, no gain. But is you, if you have a consistent practice of any kind of movement. When you start going, you know, if your body is telling you, this is not a good day or, Oh, hold on, this is opening up. I'm warming up to it. And so when I was doing tendon stretch on the Reformer, normally, I do a single leg tendon stretch. And I did tendon stretch. I did three, and I was like, I in no way feel safe, to lift a leg off. I'm gonna do four more and get off. I got to headstand. I did all the things but the actual headstand, because I have a consistent enough practice in my body, I could tell that I'm going to feel better when it's over, but I'm not pushing myself to do something it shouldn't do. And that just comes with time. It just comes with listening to your body. So, you gotta do that.

Brad Crowell 32:20  

Yeah, I mean, you know, she said something that I also thought was interesting, that we never, that I never thought about before. She said, clearly, the outside of our bodies change, our faces sag, or we get wrinkles, things, lalala, why would we never, why would we expect that there are no internal changes as well, right? And she was talking about, you know, joint degeneration, and, you know, all those kinds of things which are natural and they happen, you know, discs in your back, compression, all that kind of stuff. But the only way to age gracefully, despite your body deteriorating is strength. Is strong muscles, right? And so we still should be we need to be prioritizing that in our lives now so that we can be moving with ease as we age.

Lesley Logan 33:11  

Yeah, no, it's so and that's just it, you guys, you will never stop having to sleep enough drink, enough water and strengthen your muscles like that you're, so sorry, guaranteed in life until we no longer get to live on this beautiful planet. So, there you go.

Brad Crowell 33:28  

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Dr. Jen Fit. 

Brad Crowell 33:35  

All right, welcome back. Let's dig into these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items. Can we take away from your conversation with Dr. Jen Fraboni? She explicitly advised against relying on passive stretching as a primary solution for pain, even though it can feel good and relaxing, she said it's better to create stability, that is the fundamental requirement for the body to feel safe. So you were talking about the off balance muscles that you had, which is why your lifting was feeling pain, because you were unstable. Your one muscles, your one set of muscles, were stronger than the other set of muscles. She said, when you create stability, it creates a sense of safety. And she recommends focusing on active stretching, isometric holds and strengthening exercises. She highlighted Pilates as a modality that is great at creating stability and teaching the body safety, especially in the initial phases of pain recovery. So yay for Pilates. That's fantastic. What about you? Go ahead, go ahead.

Lesley Logan 34:37  

I was gonna say, like today, we were in yoga, and my left hamstring just would not open up. And the reality is my left hip just feeling unstable. That's why we're headed to the chiropractor after this. And it's like, I cannot open up this hamstring when my pelvis is out. And so I just really like, that was such a that's such a takeaway for me. I love that Be It Action Item. So be mindful of the passive stretching, my loves. Just be mindful. I love, this is great, t only way that we start to know how to move forward is if we tune in first. So it's really, this is this kind of goes back to, like a Brad BizJack's episode, actually, and that and that, maybe he didn't say it in this episode, but he has said it in something that I've heard of him before, which is, but go listen to that episode anyways, he's like, you would never, you would never just like, go get in the car and drive somewhere without having, like, a destination in mind. Unlike most people, don't check in with how they feel before they like move their body. They just start moving their body like they're not tuning in. So before you set a goal, before you do things, you have to kind of go inward first, so that you know where you're putting your compass, where you're putting your directions, where you're moving forward to. So otherwise you're like, oh, maybe I should do if you don't tune in first, you're gonna be the person who's like, oh, the hot new thing is Jiu Jitsu, and I'm doing Jiu Jitsu, and then that new hot thing is this box thing on a trampoline, like you're not going to actually be able to look at a movement modality and go, oh, that's what my body needs. You'll just be like, going hopping from one thing to the next expecting a quick fix. So I did love that one. And then she really, she advised onto every day to take five deep, long, slow breaths, mouth closed, and focus on taking breath into the sides of your rib cage. OPC members know this. 

Brad Crowell 36:24  

Diaphragmatic breathing. 

Lesley Logan 36:26  

And avoid breathing into your shoulders, neck or chest. Otherwise you're gonna feel stressed. But if you take these deep breaths, you often will see that the pain starts to diminish. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:35  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 36:36  

I really hope this was helpful, especially if pain is part of your daily life, it is really hard to be it till you see it in that kind of state. And so hopefully this gave you some tips, gave you some ideas, gave you some permission and share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially one who's like this topic is like, what they're needing right now. It's, I don't know, there's just so much permission in this episode. Until next time, Be It Till You see it. 

Brad Crowell 36:55  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 36:57  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 37:39  

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Lesley Logan 37:44  

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Brad Crowell 37:49  

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Lesley Logan 37:56  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 37:59  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan 38:11  

I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're gonna try, but you know, we'll see. 

Brad Crowell 38:16  

You are just making up the URLs here. 

Lesley Logan 38:19  

I'm not. 

Lesley Logan 38:19  

Yeah, crowsnestretreats.com. Just go to crowsnestretreats.com. 

Lesley Logan 38:23  

You gave me the waitlist one. 

Brad Crowell 38:25  

No. 

Lesley Logan 38:25  

Yeah, not on this sheet, but in life.

Brad Crowell 38:28  

Okay, because of 404. So I'll have the team fix that right now. 

Lesley Logan 38:31  

Fix that, please, because I gave it to somebody else last week on Instagram, because you gave that to me. Okay.

Lesley sits down with Dr. Jen Fraboni, PT, DPT—better known as DocJenFit—to change how you think about pain. Instead of seeing it as a problem, Jen reveals how pain is your body’s protective alarm asking for attention, not avoidance. Together, they unpack how stress, sleep, movement, and breath all shape what you feel day to day—and how small shifts can help you feel safer and stronger. Whether you’re postpartum, navigating chronic aches, or simply tired of “powering through,” this episode will help you move with confidence and compassion for your body.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How to recognize pain as a helpful body signal, not a threat.
• How stress, sleep, and nutrition influence your daily pain levels.
• Why MRI or scan results don’t always predict how you feel.
• How postpartum movement and breath restore stability and confidence.
• Why building strength creates long-term safety better than stretching alone.

Episode References/Links:

• Dr. Jen Fraboni's Website - https://jen.health
• Dr. Jen Fraboni's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/docjenfit
• Dr. Jen Fraboni's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCknKMzugCaPXD4AI6rq3wiQ
• Dr. Jen Fraboni's TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@docjenfit
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Dr. Jen Fraboni, PT, DPT, is an internationally-renown physical therapist who specializes in helping people overcome chronic pain and maximize physical performance. As the founder of the new platform and app, “Jen.Health,” she brings a unique, whole body approach to strength, mobility and pain-free living. In 2019, Jen was named one of the top 50 most influential healthcare professionals. Jen’s easily accessible approach has garnered her more than half a million followers on social media and millions of views of her health and fitness videos. Jen has been featured in Shape Magazine, Self Magazine, Men’s Fitness and Muscle and Fitness and in 2020, graced the cover of Oxygen Magazine. During the pandemic, she helped ease back pain with her feature on Good Morning America and NBC. Dr. Jen is the co-host with her husband, who is also a Doctor of Physical Therapy, to a popular podcast called "The Optimal Body Podcast.” But their favorite job together is spending time with their two boys at home.

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Episode Transcript:

Dr. Jen Fraboni 0:00  

Our body is constantly giving us signals that something needs to change. We're neglecting something. We need to add something in. And yet, when we have pain, we automatically think something is wrong, something is bad, which, sometimes, sure, but most of the time it's just an alarm, especially you didn't get an accident, nothing happened immediately. This is just another signal to the brain that, hey, we're neglecting something in the body.

Lesley Logan 0:29  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:12  

All right, Be It babe. This is gonna be an epic episode. Really, truly, so excited to have this amazing woman on. I got so excited about all the education information she was giving us. I didn't give her a proper bio, and you'll get one on Thursday, for sure. But just know that Docjenfit is our guest today, and she has been named one of the top 50 healthcare professionals in the US. Like she's amazing, she's wonderful, and she has a really great, amazing outlook on how we can look at pain in our bodies. And when it comes to being it till you see it, there's just so many factors, right? We can give you all the strategies and all the meditations and all the journals in the world, but like, if you feel pain in your body, it could literally be the thing that holds you back. And I can't have that. We can't have that around here. So Docjenfit is going to educate us and give us some inspiration and some options in our life and ways to think about pain that I think you're going to change your life and help you be it till you see it. So here she is. 

Lesley Logan 1:59  

Be It babe. This is this is going to be fun. This is a more like a dream come true. This is a little bit of fan girling, because in the world that I lived in in Los Angeles, I got to see this woman, kind of from afar, sometimes right next to me in work at the same places, and she is just like, just the person who's been so authentically themselves, helping people in the best way, in a different avenue than I do in the fitness world, but just in a way that I so respect and so admire, and watching her grow year after year has been absolutely wonderful and awe inspiring. Jen Fraboni, Docjenfit, holy fucking molly. Thanks for being here. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 2:33  

Thank you so much for having me.

Lesley Logan 2:36  

Okay, in case people have no idea who you are. Can't can't believe it, but it could be true. Can you tell everyone what you rock at? 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 2:42  

Yeah, I am a physical therapist. My handle is Docjenfit across the board. So Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all the places. And I help empower people to move in a different way in their bodies than they might not have known, to hopefully find ways that they could relieve pain and move better, move more efficiently.

Lesley Logan 3:05  

Yeah, because I think, like, similarly, I'll meet a lot of people, they'll come in and they'll have pain, and there's certain things that they want to do. And as a Pilates instructor, as much as knowledge as I have, there's some things like way outside my scope. But also I think sometimes pain becomes something that really holds us back. And I watch people sometimes, like, hold on to the pain or have a story around it. And it can be hard to watch that, because you're like, you have so much potential, you have so much stuff you could do in this world, but the pain is holding you back. Can you chat about, like, what when people have pain in their body? Like, what have you seen it negatively do and affecting their lives and like what they're capable of?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 3:44  

Pain is hard, because what should be thought as a good alert system within our body, just like anything else, our stomach grumbles when we're hungry. We yawn when we're tired. You know, our body is constantly giving us signals that something needs to change. We're neglecting something. We need to add something in. And yet, when we have pain, we automatically think something is wrong, something is bad, which sometimes, sure, but most of the time it's just an alarm, especially you didn't get an accident, nothing happened immediately. This is just another signal to the brain that, hey, we're neglecting something in the body, and it's not necessarily bad, but I'm protecting you in case it turns into bad. So if we can start to see it more as that protective mechanism, rather than, oh my gosh, something is damaged. Something is horrible. I have broken like, you know, my spine is popping. Whatever things that we say in our mind about when we feel it, if we could just say, oh, that is a that's a protective mechanism so that it doesn't become bad, and then we start acting upon it and moving into it. I think the number one thing that pops up for people is is that it is horrible. It's bad. I need to stop moving, I need to stop doing whatever I just did. That's going to damage it. I'm creating more damage if I feel the pain. You know, all these stories that we continue to tell ourselves, and sometimes it has nothing to do with the tissue. Yes, the tissue is involved, but there are neuro tags that our brain creates based on little things that pop up within our body, and when we're stressed, when we don't drink enough water, we're not sleeping enough we're not putting good nutrients within our body. And we're constantly kind of in this cycle of either under eating or under fueling, not getting enough nutrients, not I'm constantly going for takeout or processed food because I just don't have time, you know, all these different things that start to happen, and then our lives can create or increase those symptoms and increase those signals to the brain, and we start living in that pain, and we feel it a little bit more amplified. So it's not even always the tissue. But you know, I think the number one thing that happens is that we we fear that we're creating more damage anytime we move and feel pain.

Lesley Logan 6:09  

Okay, this is, there's so many different things in there, but like that is really enlightening to me. It makes because, okay, so in 2013, 2013, 2014 that's in 2014, 2014 I fractured my tibial plateau running. Yeah, I just retired from being sponsored. I told my sponsor, like, I'm done. Like I actually, I got slower in there. Somehow I got happy. I can't run that hard anymore. Can't do it. And then, of course, I'm like, didn't understand the depth of a curb thing, and I hyper-extended my knee, awful, terrible. And I'm really lucky it was a non surgical situation. And your whole your my brain went through all the fears, like, am I gonna walk again? Am I gonna run again? Is it gonna affect it? Like you're the whole thing goes crazy. And I was just like, having to go this battle of like, you actually are gonna walk again, like you're, this is so, like, you're just off your leg for eight weeks. Like, out of everything that's going on, like this battle with my brain, and I was working with a really amazing trainer, and, you know, I was able to put body weight back in that leg. He was giving me some squats and some things, all fine, all released from the doctor, all able to do and I would go, anytime it was new, I go, oh, that hurts. Oh, that hurts. And he finally said to me, is it hard or does it hurt? And I think it goes to your point with pain, sometimes we also just confuse, like, is my brain actually saying I'm in pain, or am I coming up against a challenge that I feel uncomfortable with? And it turned out that, like, No, it wasn't actually pain. It was just uncomfortable and it was hard, and I hadn't had to deal with hard workouts in a while like I had. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 7:45  

And it's scary. It's scary coming back in and you're, you don't want to do something where you're like, Well, I don't want this to be my life. So I'm, I'm afraid.

Lesley Logan 7:55  

Yeah, yeah. And then like, you know, I think about some of the clients I have where they would come back and they would go, Oh, we did after Pilates, this hurt. And I was like, Okay, I'm looking at the exercise we did, and I have to go, Okay, can you tell me what you did before Pilates, what you did after Pilates? Oh, I was organizing my garage. I'm like, do you think perhaps maybe it might have been the garage, but, you know, I think, so then people go to your point, they're like, I can't do that again, versus, like, what is it telling me? What do I need to do? What imbalances do we might have? Okay, so then I guess my question is, like, how do we how do we do that? How do we explore like, in ourselves or with with those of us who, because some people who are listening, have friends or family who are like, constantly in pain or something constantly hurts. Like, when are we indulging it too much, and when are we like not listening to it? I guess it could be on either (inaudible).

Dr. Jen Fraboni 8:45  

Yes, that's a really great question, because it's so true. Sometimes we have those pain responses and we're like, kick it down the road. Kick it down the road, whatever, both of them. We got to listen to all of it. That's the whole point, right? It's a signal from our body, so we don't want to ignore it, but we don't want to fear it. So that's where we have to say, okay, my body's trying to tell me something. What is it that I'm neglecting? Let's start at just the base of everything, right? If I am not moving much in general, I have been super stressed. I'm I go to work, I sit in a car for an hour. I sit at my desk, I come home, I have so many a million responsibilities to take care of. I have kids that need me. I'm lifting, I'm grocery shopping, so I'm still lifting and moving and picking up kids or doing whatever, but I'm not actively training my body for any of those things, and now I'm doing it in a state of stress. So all of that combined is just a recipe for your body to be overdone, overdoing it. And once our our brains start like those signals can only take so much, and usually they're filtering it out. There's not enough, you know, just like outside noise, like, there's not enough to take in all of the noises all around. So your brain filters a lot of things out, a lot of unnecessary things. When things become when your brain's like, this is getting to a point where something has to change or else this is going to be bad. That's when it can no longer filter it out. And so all of a sudden we start to get that pain response that's like, normally would be resting right down here. We wouldn't really be paying attention to it. It wouldn't really be a big deal. But all of a sudden you bend down, you pick up that pencil, and your back feels like it just broke. It just went out. It wasn't the bending down and picking up the pencil, it was all these little things along the way that we were not paying attention to until your brain was finally like, Nope, you got to listen. This is this is not okay anymore. And maybe it didn't come with a disc herniation. However, we know that a disc herniation can be there prior as well, and there are studies that show all the way to 20s, all the way into your 20s, you can see disc degeneration on an MRI. You can see disc herniations on MRIs, and it increases as we increase with age. So up to 80s, you're going to see like, I mean, gosh, I wish I had the stats with me right now. But I think in your 60s, you could see up to 80% of people have disc degeneration and no pain. 

Lesley Logan 11:21  

Whoa. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 11:23  

So it's crazy the numbers, but we have to realize, just like the outside of my body is going to change, my face is going to start to sag my I'm going to start to get wrinkles, changes are going to happen externally. Why would we not expect changes to happen internally? 

Lesley Logan 11:37  

Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 11:39  

Like that that's a part of the process. So we're going to have different changes on an MRI. That's fine, and maybe it's part of your story. Maybe it's part of your pain journey, but it might be have been there prior to pain. So we can't just blame an MRI. We can't just blame an image when we don't know if that's new. We don't know if that's always been there, but what we can now start to do is say, Okay, what have I been neglecting? Am I super stressed? Am I not sleeping? Have I not been moving? Am I not am I maybe going to the gym, going hard, but I'm taking zero time for recovery? Am I always pushing to failure? Because that's what I hear I need to do now that I'm getting older, and I need a strength train, and I need to push my body to failure. But am I doing that every single time I go to the gym? Am I hearing, oh, I'm supposed to be doing these HIIT workouts in high intensity, because that's good for my bone health. But have I not progressed and eased my body into it? So all of these things, we have to start to take into account. Where have I what have I been neglecting? What am I not doing enough of that I can just at least start with the baseline level and say, Okay, thank you brain for alerting me that something needs to change. Thank you brain for telling me that enough is enough, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but what can I be doing that I'm neglecting and I can put myself on plenty examples as well. So, for example, my my second pregnancy, I felt all the things in my pelvis, lots of different changes with the hormones and different sensations that would pop up. I don't necessarily like to call it pain, but different sensations that my body was telling me about. And each of those experiences, I could then say, oh, I should not work out today. I should not lift that would be bad. And I did the opposite. And every time I moved in, not into the pain, but into opening up my hips more or loading in a different way. I still lifted weight, but I lifted differently. Maybe I'm not doing a barbell deadlift and going as heavy as I can, but I'm doing a controlled, a controlled deadlift with both legs and a wider stance so that I can open up through my hips and my pelvis a little bit more, and really use my breath to drive up and create that stability in my pelvis that I feel like I'm missing and I'm really needing. Maybe I can add some targeted lunges or step downs that really help to build support in my pelvis and my glutes so that I'm really supporting my body. Maybe I could do some different core things to really add in that stability that I know my body is going into more laxity, because I have a lot more relaxing within my body as I'm as I'm pregnant, and every single time I did movement instead of stopping, I felt better afterwards. 

Lesley Logan 14:35  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I believe I've never had children, but like, I have also, like, been so tight in my upper back because we do tours, and we're driving the van for the last tour was 36 days. And, you know, yes, I have a (inaudible), yes, we do all the things. Yes, I move my body, but you just, there's only so much you can do after 36 days of you know that? And I absolutely was, like, I should not have signed up for that workout. I probably shouldn't have done my Pilates, and I found myself every with every rolling like a ball, and every seal my thoracic spine just opening up, and it's like, oh, now I'm feel so much better. But it's true. It's like you might have to take a different approach, or you might have to and and we should and this is where that all or nothing mindset, I think, is affecting everybody. Like, it affects not just the way we deal with pain, but like, the way we get into workouts, the way we see if a workout is good or not. Like, it's not about doing what you did yesterday when you're pain free, but maybe going in slow or having a longer warm up, or being more intentional with your breath and then seeing how it's going. But I think it's, I mean, this is your life's mission. How do you get people to listen to their body?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 15:44  

I know it's hard. The first key is, let's not, let's not be afraid of pain. I mean, I think that that goes for everyone. Let's not be afraid of the MRI either, because we're going to have internal changes on on the body, and that's okay. My husband and I even just did a podcast yesterday on the straightening of the cervical spine, because everyone is afraid. Sometimes you'll go into an office and they'll do an x ray, they'll say, Oh, your your neck is straight. That's why you're getting neck pain. But we have so many studies that show people who have straight spines have no pain. So again, could it be a part of your story? Sure, is it the whole thing? No, because if there's someone out there who has a straight neck and no pain, that doesn't mean that you have a straight neck and pain, right, like that we have to be looking at things can be correlated. It doesn't mean it's the cause. 

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 16:36  

And that's what I really want people to hear people who have disc herniations will show up on an MRI and not have pain. People who have osteoarthritis, 43% of people can have osteoarthritis on an MRI and have no pain. So again, not saying, not not discounting that that's a part of your body journey, but it's possible to be in that percentage of people who don't have pain. How do you get there? That's what we want to be focusing on. How do I get there? Right?

Lesley Logan 17:03  

Yeah. Oh, I love this. It's like, it's like, okay, so you, you, you might be someone with osteoporosis and pain, but the two of them might not actually be connected. It could be. But also, what if we take a moment to think about like, I have osteoporosis, but I also can explore other avenues that could reduce the pain? 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 17:20  

Yes, yes, and it takes a mindset, a mind a mind shift. 

Lesley Logan 17:30  

Yeah, mindset shift got it. Yes, no, it's okay. We'll do this together.

Dr. Jen Fraboni 17:35  

It takes shifting that mindset of what you're telling yourself and what is wrong and what is bad into saying, okay, what can I explore because of this? What can I do because of this? And that's where, okay, we have to say, if I'm rounding down to the floor and getting pain, what can I be doing that's different? Can, am I sitting a lot? Again, I can do myself as another example. Right now, actually, I am experiencing radiating symptoms into my right glute. So that means I'm I am feeling like a line of pain down into my glutes, sometimes a little further. So I know that's likely coming from my back. A nerve is sending some lightning signals into my glute. Now, I am fully exclusively breastfeeding right now, which means that I am sitting in positions a lot throughout the day where I'm rounded and on, like cuddling into my little babe as I'm breastfeeding, not always in the most ideal position, but kind of sitting like a little shrimp. And so majority of the day, I'm like that. And a lot of times for work, I am sitting at the computer and working. I try to get up, I try to take breaks, I do all the things, but I know that I'm neglecting some things. And so even the other the two days ago, when it really started, I would get out of bed and almost like it felt like my leg didn't want to hold me up. So it felt like it wasn't just nerve related, but it was now starting to affect how my muscles were responding as well. And so it can feel really scary, like, oh my gosh, just stepping out of bed, I'm going to collapse onto the floor, or I'm feeling as I'm rounding and picking up my son, I'm getting a lot of pain. That's bad. I should not deadlift, I should not bend my spine. I should not, you know, we could start telling ourselves, because this pattern equals pain, I shouldn't do this. Instead, I'm saying, Okay, what have I been neglecting? Now I'm spending a lot more time in extension. So if I'm on my phone, I'm going to lay on my couch and it prop my elbows and look at my phone that way. So I'm putting my spine in the opposite position that it's typically in throughout the day, and I'm spending time relaxing there and breathing there. I'm spending time opening up my hip flexors, opening up my rib cage, opening up tension relaxing through my front of my body, since I know that I'm spending a lot of time in that shrimp position. But on top of that, I have to create stability in a new way so my body feels safe. So I'm also adding in a lot of core stabilization. I'm adding in a lot of hip stability through my warm ups, and then I'm lifting, and I'm not shying away, because I'm listening and I'm modifying if I need to, but I'm lifting, and, and I still feel it a little bit today, but not as bad. And we also have to know that some things take time. There's no one magic fix. There's no one give me the one exercise for my for my disc herniation. I can't tell you that. It depends on what your body needs. What have you been neglecting? Are you neglecting your hip mobility? Are you neglecting your upper back mobility? Are you breathing from your rib cage? Are you stabilizing through your core? Are you, you know, can we move a little bit different in an exercise so that you can feel a little bit different? Can we change the range of motion? Can we change the load? There's so many aspects that we could be changing for you, it's hard to say what each individual needs. And at the same time, I just don't stop moving. The more that we stop moving, the more that your body's going to feel, because the one thing that helps us to feel better is getting fluids to move. Is getting our lymphatic system moving, is getting, you know, our even our blood going up to our brain, things. We want oxygen. We want things moving in our body so that we start to feel something different. Another thing I'm super neglecting is sleep. I know that's a huge, big thing for me. I'm staying up late so I could pump before I go to bed. Sometimes my son still wakes up. I wake up early. I'm burning at both ends from not sleeping enough. That's a huge contributor to pain. So we have to take into account other stressors in our life, and some things we can change. Some things are harder, but we have to get really honest with ourselves and say, what is it that I'm not doing that I could be doing for my body in general?

Lesley Logan 22:13  

Yeah, so Jen, I love this because, like, first of all, I appreciate you sharing your stories, because I always what I get a lot, especially since and I think it's because people can say it and I don't. I can't really argue. I don't have children. You have two kids, one of them whom you're nursing. And like, the thing that I always say is, like, if you like, have a newborn, like, you obviously have to take care of the newborn. But also, like, none of us are good to anyone sick or in pain like zero. I truly believe that self-care is an act of self-love. I will die on this hill. And I really don't think you can love others as as generously as you want if you don't love yourself that way. And so, but also, you're in a very different season in your motherhood journey, where you are breastfeeding, and so I guess, like for the moms listening, or the people who are like really trying, who put so many other people's lives before themselves, like, how do you do that? Because I know you have the mom guilt. They gave it to you when you had the kids. So like, how do you how? Like, yes, it's your job, but also, like, you're a human being. How do you keep that all going?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 23:17  

So I'm very fortunate to have support. We have support. I could be on this podcast, because we have support, right? So my husband and I can work during the day, and we have people watching our children, and so we're very grateful for that. I have to acknowledge that, right? And within that time period, I take 30 minutes out of where I would be working to work out. 30 minutes. It doesn't have to be a lot of time when we do it efficiently and we learn what we need for our individual body. I also, because I talked about the sleep thing, and that's lacking for me, my accountability and motivation not very high right now, to show up for myself, and I know that for myself right now. So the number one thing I I'm doing right now is I met someone actually on a mom app called Peanut and she comes and works out with me before she goes and picks up her after her work day, and before she picks up her son from daycare, and we work out together. And I know she's coming at the same time almost every day, and she is like, if she's showing up, I'm obviously showing up, and we're doing that 30 minute workout together, and I have that accountability to get off my butt and do it, because I can just, Oh, I'll eat a little bit more, I'll work a little bit more, I'll do a little you know, I can make up all the excuses because I'm tired and I get it, I'm in it, like, I don't want to do it either, but I do want to do it because it's going to make me feel so much better after. So I think understanding what is it that you need. We know, I think we know by now that motivation isn't the thing that's going to get us to move, right? We know this, but what is the thing that's going to get you to move? Is that the accountability? I've also told myself I need to be moving a little bit more. So my accountability also is, I am posting every morning that I'm taking a walk. And I asked other people who wants to join me take a walk, I'm going to post every morning that I'm taking a walk. That's my accountability. If I don't post. You know, I didn't walk, and so I'm I'm showing up on stories and just saying, got my morning walk in 10 to 15 minutes. It doesn't have to be long, right? I throw my kids in a stroller and I go for a walk. So what is it that we can be doing that creates that, that deeper accountability? Again, it doesn't have to be a long time, even if you're like, I don't have 30 minutes. Okay, do you have five to 10 minutes. Can you use your your kid and do a couple lunges and squats with them? Trust me, kids love to be used as weights. It's super fun for them. What is the thing that we could be doing? I do my mobility on the floor in the playroom when they're moving around. So there's always a time. Yeah, it's just, how are we creating that space within our life to to commit? 

Lesley Logan 26:05  

Yeah, I You're so right during the pandemic. I studied with BJ Fogg and his team, his the author of Tiny Habits and Stanford science, like behavioral sciences on habits like be the person, right? And he literally said, motivation is the friend you want to go to a party, but you never have them pick you up at the airport. It's unreliable, and then and it's like, just when you think about that, whenever I hear people I don't have enough motivation. I'm like, like, motivation is what you need to, like, push them up a hill real quick, but like, you can't. It's not the thing. And so the other thing that I know from Habits is how we talk to ourselves about something actually, is why where the brain starts to look for opportunities. So I, because I because I know how good I'll feel right and I know what that's gonna do. My brain is like, oh, oh, I could go. I could do this movement here. I have 30 extra minutes I could do. I'm like, seeking out little increments in a busy season, because my brain knows you're gonna get a dopamine hit if you do this here. But if, whenever you think about the things you should be doing in a negative way, oh, I should be moving more. I should be exercising more, and you put all this shit on yourself and this pressure, it stresses your brain. Your brain goes, oh, working out, moving my body, that causes stress, shame, guilt. I don't like to feel that. So you actually don't look for those things. We have to actually trick our brain into seeing opportunities for movement. And so I love that you shared all these different ways, and also what you're using right now, because it's going to be different from for all of us, depending on where our seasons are, depending if you're traveling or not, but it doesn't I am so with you. It does not have to be an hour chunk at one time, like that is a luxury a lot of people don't have, and you might have it one day a week, but not other days a week. And I'm just a big fan of, like, someone always asked me, like, how often should I do Pilates? And I'm like, I'd rather do four 15-minute sessions in a week than one one-hour like, I just would. It's just going to have way more benefits. So I appreciate you talking about the different minutes, and also, like what you're doing right now in your seasons, because it, it does help people start to think, Oh, I could do that, oh I could do 15 minutes. Oh I could pick my kid up, or I could go for a walk with a friend. I have a neighbor who would walk with me every morning, if I would, if I would get up a little later, and I'm like, this is too hot for me right now. So, so. But you know what? If that's if you are someone who needs someone, you're not sure so you can rely on someone, I promise you, get a dog teach him for two weeks to go for a walk in the morning, they will wake you up. They're, my dog knows what time it is. He knows it's time for a walk. So. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 26:06  

I love that. 

Lesley Logan 26:41  

Okay, so you know this is an incredible journey that you are going on, and what you've been and the gifts that you've been giving people like you've been doing this a really long time. What are you excited about right now? Like, where are you taking this? Where are you taking, like, your education, helping people with their pain?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 28:50  

You know, my number one thing is to provide ways right now as to okay, if this hurts, how can we do it different? So the number one thing people always tell me when they go through my courses and my plans and everything is that the way UQ lit up, something in my brain that told me I can do it, something different, and I felt completely different, no knee pain, no back pain, because I did, you know, and so doing some of these common things a little bit more uncommon, A little bit different than maybe what you've been told or what you've seen or what you've done in the past can make a huge impact, so that you continue to move forward and you feel better within your body. I think I've grown because people know me as mobility. People know me as but the problem with that is that people believe that stretching and just passive stretching, and it's so not and so sometimes, you know, I even have family members here. Like the other day, my niece is like, going for cheer right now, and she said, Oh, this area within my inner thigh, so, like her groin area was hurting and I was doing a lot of stretching, and I'm like, why are you stretching it? Don't stretch it. Not bad. I don't wanna say it's bad, but it's not gonna be helpful when she needs to be active in her sport in order to get back to what she wants to do. And so a lot of times, we need either active stretching or we need isometric hold. We need strengthening. We need stability within the body. Again, remember that when we have pain, our body wants to feel safe. So a lot of times, stretching though it can feel good, it can feel relaxing, it can help to temporarily reduce pain symptoms. A lot of times, it's not the thing that's going to help the body to feel secure and safe moving forward. And so what we need is great stability. Pilates is great at creating stability. Pilates is great at teaching the body some safety. So a lot of times in those initial phases, especially getting more stability, more isometric holds, more higher reps, lower weight, that kind of thing is going to be better in in the very beginning stages, when we're feeling that pain and creating that safety for the body, before we start loading more, or before we start doing it, or before we start doing really aggressive stretches. I don't even know. I think I went off on a tangent.

Lesley Logan 31:15  

It's okay, you're clear. I asked what you're excited about right now, and that's it.

Dr. Jen Fraboni 31:20  

Yes, yes. Continuing to educate people on on a different way to move their body and hopefully get out of pain. I just, I want to stick with pain, and some people tell me that's limiting and and I, I know, but so many people experience pain, and if I could just teach people how to listen to their body a little differently and not fear pain, I that that would be such a gift.

Lesley Logan 31:40  

I mean, it's really funny what people like to say, like, they like to say, oh, you can't, can't just do that, or that's really limiting, or whatever it is. Like, you know, this particular week that we're recording this, like, I gotta be in my bonnet because somebody, like, said, like, oh, like, someone just commented negatively on one of my Pilates instructors who works for me, and about their their body. Well, I can see that Pilates is really working. Pilate is really working for your for your body, and to something nasty, right? And I got so pissed about it. And then, like, and then I was like, while we're on the topic, there's also no such thing as Pilates arms, right? Like, there's just that's like, if you, like, I don't even want to say, have arms and do Pilates, because there you could do Pilates without arms. Like, you don't even have to have arms. So it's like, not a thing, right? Like, and so and so, it's like, it goes to where this tangent is going from my brain. It's like, people like to put things in boxes and then, and then, that's what it is for. That's what it does. And like, as, if you focusing on pain is so limiting. When pain is like, it is such a, like, I'm like, we could go to so many places, because there's people who like, literally, like, I have a family member in my life every day, something is in pain. I'm like, you are using pain to keep yourself from experiencing life, you know? And then there's also the other spectrum, where it's like, people who won't listen to it at all. You're like, I just want you to like, we don't do, yeah, I can see, like, you shouldn't do that anymore, so, but I so, I think it's really interesting how we people want to put boxes around things. And there, I don't say they're being a boxer, and I do think that, like, we know a lot more about stuff. Like, it used to be like, Oh, if that hurts, don't do anything, as if that's, you know, and I would watch clients whose doctors, like, you can't do anything with that. And I'm like, Okay, so now your foot has changed. Like, now that we haven't used it anymore, it's no longer, like, you have hammer toes now it's doing this thing. It's sickling. Like, can we go back to the doctor and ask for some other things we can do? Because, like, even though that's my scope, like, that foot is not helping. Now your hip's going weaker, and now your back is having problems. So I think we know a lot more now, and I'm really excited for what you're doing, because it does, it does give people a little bit more opportunities to change things before it gets to be something that can't be changed anymore. Am I right like?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 33:55  

I hope so that's the number one thing that boils my blood is whenever I would have a client come back and said, Oh, my doctor told me not to do that anymore, or not to do this anymore. And it's like, well, the more we don't use it, we lose it. So if, if you want to become fragile, if you want to, you know, age and be in more pain, then that's an option, but I hope that's not what you want, you know. And when it comes to joint health, the if your joints start to go which they are, that's part of aging, right? We're going to start to lose cartilage. They're going to start to wear and tear. That's, I hate that word, but it's true. I mean, we're, we're, they're going to change. It's part of aging. The only thing that is going to support you as those changes are happening, is muscle and being strong and having range of motion and mobility within your body. Yeah, if you don't have the mobility to move into those areas anymore, they're going to get stiffer and tighter. If you don't have the muscle strength to support it, your joints don't have any more room or cushion to support them themselves. So. What's going to happen? You're going to be in more pain, and you're not going to be able to do more things. If we stop moving and to our full ranges of motion, if we stop strengthening throughout our range of motion and and putting that tension across the tendons and the muscles and loading the joints, then we're going to end up in more pain.

Lesley Logan 35:23  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. And this is not to knock, like, what some of the doctors say, because, like, I also think they're in a practice and they're operating on some interesting information. But I definitely would laugh when someone come and go, I'm not allowed to flex or extend my spine. And I'm like, how did you drive here today? Like, how did we how do we get here? And I just want you to notice that while you take your shoes off right now, you're in flexion. So can I, can I maybe get some permission to move you in a safe way, in those positions so that we can keep them? Yeah, I think that's that's like, thank goodness for you and the work that you're doing, and you do it in a way that actually makes people excited to think about their bodies. And I think that's so beautiful, because it's really hard to do in a world where people want a quick fix, they want the five in five days how do I get out of this? And it's like, Well, you probably didn't get into it. And I just really want to highlight, like, your your focus on like, what are all the other things we could be listening to, you know? And I think that that is something that, as you know, majority of the listeners on this show are women, and there's a few good men, but especially as women, especially as women, like we, tend to it starts with the sleep, and then it starts with the fueling of the food, and then it starts with lack of water. And then, you know, all of us, it's like it's a slow thing, and it's like there are some things we could actually maybe take a look at and be a little bit more priority based on those, even if we don't have time, and see how that affects the rest of our bodies. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 36:41  

1,000% 

Lesley Logan 36:43  

Yeah, I really want to, like, talk to you for hours, but we're gonna take a brief break, and we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. 

Lesley Logan 36:49  

All right, Docjenfit, where do you hang out? Where is your favorite place for people to connect with you, work with you. Do you have any programs that they can look into if they're interested in this?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 37:00  

Yeah. I mean the number one place, I check my DMs all the time. It's me, so docjenfit on Instagram is my number one place I hang out. I do upload Tiktok as well, but I don't check Tiktok, so don't try to reach out to me there. YouTube, I do look at comments there, so I get back to everyone there, but I feel like my community is on Instagram, and that's where I started. That's where everything is. So connect with me there if you have any questions, and I have Jen Health. So jen.health, there's no dot com or anything, or also look up the app Jen Health. And if you ever wanted to find something rather than scrolling my Instagram, you can go sign up on Jen Health. It's completely free to sign up. And we have a Discover tab where you can literally type in knee pain or knee and stairs or like low back pain or bending, or whatever it is that you want to and there's going to be something that pops up that can help you. Those are essentially my Instagram searchable. So all my recent posts always get uploaded there, and you can search freely as needed. We also have programs on there so that you're not just looking for a quick fix within those couple exercises that may or may not help, but you're the programs I created, because I'm not individually with you, but my low back plan, (inaudible) plan, is all about like, Okay, let's take a look at the entire system here and how it all can work into helping to improve and reduce low back pain. We're talking mobility stability from the ground up. We're talking strengthening progressively into the body and really building in key areas that are often neglected in five to 15 minutes a day. I'm not trying to take you away from your other workouts or your other life responsibilities, I'm trying to just sprinkle things in little by little, so that you are starting to introduce something different that you might have been neglecting in your body. I love all that that's so helpful. 

Lesley Logan 37:00  

And I think it's really cool, because when people can take some ownership and explore and like also understand, I think the more we understand our body, the easier it is for us to actually like, communicate about what's going on with it, and also advocate for ourselves. If you do need to go see a doctor and they do tell you things, you can go you can advocate for or against or get a second opinion. You can have a lot more authority of yourself when those things do come up. So you're just so wonderful. Thank you for that. Okay, you have given us a lot already, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 38:14  

Everyday take a breath in to the sides of your rib cage, like not, not into your shoulders, not into your neck, not into your chest. Take a breath and think of closing your mouth, taking your breath, as if your breath is pulling back into your nasal cavity and expanding across your ribs. Sometimes I like to just take my hands on my rib cage, take five deep, long, slow breaths there. You're going to see how pain just starts to diminish. Stress starts to diminish. Things start to feel better within your body. And the only way that we start to know how to move forward is if we tune in first.

Lesley Logan 40:00  

Oh, my goodness. I love that. I love that so much. That's literally how I like people to breathe when they're in my classes. I just feel like I'm like, Ah, so much validation. I'm obsessed with you. Can you come around the world with me? Anyways, you're just, thank you so much, Jen, just for being you and what you do in this world, and also just being so authentic about how you're on this journey as a human being, so that everyone can also be on that journey with you, but also so that people can be empowered. I'm really, really grateful for you and all these amazing tips. 

Lesley Logan 40:28  

Be It babes, how are going to use these tips in your life? I highly recommend following Docjenfit on Instagram. Make sure you tell her. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it, you know that friend who's always got something going on like just share it with them, because maybe they just need to hear from a different person that it doesn't have to always be what it is, doesn't have to be limiting. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 40:48  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 41:30  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 41:36  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 41:40  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 41:47  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 41:51  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this FYF episode, Lesley Logan celebrates what happens when preparation meets opportunity—and how readiness creates freedom when life speeds up. From a pianist who mastered the wrong concerto onstage to community wins that prove preparation meets courage, this week’s stories are all about trusting your instincts and believing you’ve got what it takes. Lesley also shares how being proactive in your goals can help you find freedom and peace when life speeds up.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Friday. Happy November 14th. Now we're midway through the month, just like that. You know, a few weeks ago, I told you about the 13th month, and I'm just telling you right now, the more I think about how, like, we used to run the calendar off of 28 days in the moon cycle. Like, doesn't it just make sense? Every FYF, I'm like, oh, look at that. Now it's halfway through. Like, yeah, kind of, right? So I'm just saying, like, the more I do this and, like, wait, especially this month, because we end on the Friday was the seventh of 14th. It's just like, like, easy math. And I'm like, yeah, it should just end on the 28th then we start a new month. But anyways, we're, you know, not on that calendar. And I would love to vote that in, but the whole world has to, I guess. So, anyways, this is the episodes where we share some inspiration. Share wins of yours. Share a win of mine. Realize that we are doing a freaking great job, or doing better than we thought. And a little affirmation to kick your weekend off. And if you haven't yet listened to the interview and recap this week, go do it just right below this. You can start with the recap first, Brad and I have a lot of fun bantering, then we answer a question of yours, then we talk about what we liked. And if you are like, oh, that's interesting, I want to hear it from the horse's mouth, you can listen to the interview, and I highly recommend it, because we have some really cool guests. 

Lesley Logan 1:59  

Okay, so I this came across my feed, and this is what I, okay, I don't play instruments. I did play for share like tenor sax. I had a retainer and braces when I learned and then when I took them out, I couldn't play anymore, and so I just stopped playing. It's not funny, but at any rate, since I have been a musician, I have prepared music I have, like had to memorize, and so I know the effort, but this is how the reel goes. And there's a link in the show notes you can, like, go watch it. Okay? When they told you it's Mozart's Piano Concerto number 20 instead of number 23. So she had one minute of the orchestra playing before she had to step in and play the piano, okay? And so here's the thing. The caption says it's probably every music's worst nightmare. Imagine you're sitting here sitting on stage, ready to play your concerto, and the orchestra begins to perform a completely different piece. That's exactly what happened to the great Maria João Pires, or Pires in 1999 when she stepped in to replace another pianist on short notice. In a formidable tour de force performance, Pire's charge changed course and miraculously didn't miss a beat of Mozart's Piano Concerto Number 20 and not 20, 20 not 23 like she had been expecting. This stood out to me, because as a recovering perfectionist and overachiever like I imagine how much time she probably, like, prepped herself for the piece that she has to play, because it's not like they have the music in front of you guys. They just play like they are supposed to just play like it's coming out of them, and there's no music in front of them. And you know, she had one minute to, like, just feel her feelings, and then step in and be it till she sees it. And it is just so beautiful, because imagine, had she found out before the concert started, then she probably could have told herself a million different things and like, even, like, freak herself out a different way, because she didn't have that opportunity. She had to, like, be it till she sees it as, like the other performance, and she didn't miss a beat. And it's worth watching, just to go through the emotions with her and realize, like, this is what you're watching someone step into their power and believe in themselves in such an awesome way. And ladies, we can do this right? We can do these things. And I think we're like, Oh, my God. I like, prepare for my meeting to be on this date, and then something happens, and the meeting doesn't happen, then you're like, oh, but I'm ready for it. I'm frustrated. My love, like, your you will be more authentic the moment it happens. You might be too prepared. You might like, so I would just say, like, anytime an opportunity comes up, you're like, Oh, I'm not ready for this. What if you were? What if you were ready? She was. It's beautiful. I'm like, obsessed with it. I've watched it several times. I'm so into it. 

Lesley Logan 4:56  

All right. Time for wins of yours. Got really fired up. Okay, these are from Instagram. Thanks for sending it in. You can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions and you can send longer wins in because Instagram does, like, make them super short. So again, like, the longer ones that I've read in the past, you can send those into beitpod.com/questions plus any questions you want me to answer, like, it's a great way to get answers out of me. So, lynneconnolly36 says, covered six back to back classes this week, 5 am wake and clients love them. Holy freaking moly. Lynn, you are a badass, getting up at 5am and then covering six back to back classes. Oh, you are phenomenal. You like, I don't even know how you did it, but way to go. And, of course, the clients love them, because you're authentically you, and you're amazing. Way to go. 

Lesley Logan 5:39  

hli_pilates great private session yesterday. Thank you. Body feels so much better. It is a win when our bodies feel better. I love that you're celebrating that, hli, I just absolutely love it, because it's so easy for us to focus on when our bodies don't feel good, and that you're celebrating your body feels better today is humongous. Way to be it till you see it. julia_reddout, I subbed a level two class in the studio where I take classes. They loved it, and it made my day.

Lesley Logan 6:06  

Yeah, because those are your people. You know them. You know what they need. You know, I'm so proud of you. I'm so happy for you. What a win, guys. Thank you for sending these in. I just I want more women to share things that they are doing, because the dudes certainly do it. And I was raised like, don't brag, be humble and you want to know something, it didn't get me anywhere. In fact, the more people knew what I was capable of, the more opportunities came to my place. Fun story, I have been teaching for a long time. There was an the big conference that was going on. It was 2019 I think it might have been 28 might have been 2018, 2018, fall of 2018 and I was doing a photo shoot at a big conference, and this woman who hires teachers for another conference saw me, and she had hired me for the next year's conference of her, but her company does, and she'd hired me for some business coaching stuff that I'd applied for, and she saw me doing some exercises on the equipment. She's like, oh, do you teach? Can you teach some classes? And of course, I was like, fuck. Of course, I teach. What the fuck? But then I was like, Oh, she doesn't know who I as a me, as a teacher. She's only seen my application for the business things. I'm not doing a good enough job making sure people know what I do and know what I'm good at. So we gotta start bragging more, babes, and that's why we have to start making Fridays at least Fridays, but if not every day, a day where you celebrate what you fucking slay, what you did, and if it was I just actually did my full schedule and didn't cancel anything, that's a fucking win. In high school, there was a sign that said every class every day, and I'm telling you that wasn't always what happened in my life, but every time I did every class in a day, I was like, Yes, I did it. I know that surprises you as recovering perfectionist, that I would cut classes, but I really thought High School was, like, beneath me, and I just couldn't wait to get out. And I was like, I've got a 4.2 like, this is not gonna take it away from me. I probably could leave. So anyways, that's my rebellious stage. Okay, I gotta share a win of mine, a win of mine. 

Lesley Logan 8:04  

Here we go. So here's what I'm super proud of. Last year, around this time, I was cramming to get everything done before we left for winter tour, and I got sick, and we had to, like, look at everything that didn't get done yet and go, Okay, which of these things can we not do? And for the first time ever, we missed YouTube releases. We did because I could not possibly film YouTube and podcasts and classes for OPC, and so the podcast and class of OPC won and YouTube lost. And from that moment, I had my team, and I had to, like, look at the next year and change how we got things done, so that I was well ahead of schedule, that by the middle of November, I would be done filming things, not just for the end of this year, but the beginning of next year, so that we are not scrambling in case I get sick in the fall, right? And so I'm proud to say that right now, the newsletters through beginning of next year are written, classes are recorded, and podcast recaps are almost done, but we're not scrambling. I don't feel like I'm in a rush, and I'm really excited to go on tour, knowing that when I come back, like, I'm just back in my regular schedule and not like scrambling. So my win is, is that a year ago, I had a vision, and always that was the year before, that was a different was, like, similar vision, but we just keep getting better at it. And why can't I have a win on something that was already a win? Because I'm just getting better at it. And you reflect, you refine, and you continue. And that's how it goes. You're not ever gonna do anything perfectly the first time. And thank God, because then you go, Oh, I didn't like that part actually, I'm glad I didn't do that. So I'm just saying, My win is I'm ahead. I'm on track. I did what I said I wanted to do, and I, you know, I started this project a year ago. So slay the year. What a win for the year, not just the week, okay, but I like those small wins. I like the small wins. 

Lesley Logan 10:04  

Okay. Your affirmation over the weekend. I practice gratitude for all that I have and all that is yet to come. I practice gratitude for all that I have and all that is yet to come. Do you have a gratitude practice? Do you know what the easiest thing is to do? Take a piece of paper and just write down. I'm grateful for the air around me. I'm grateful that I'm listening to this podcast right now. I'm grateful that I got up this morning. All of a sudden, you'll start behind gratitude for other things. It's kind of fun. It's kind of unique. I know some people poo poo a gratitude, but like my therapist said to me, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space, and that changed everything for me. So whenever I feel judgey about myself, I just start listing off things I'm grateful for. Sometimes, like, I'm grateful that my bed is made. I'm grateful I took a shower today. I'm grateful that last week I got my nails done when I had some time, right? Like, those are wins. They gave me gratitude as well. All right, babe, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 11:40  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 11:45  

Lesley Logan

 It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic [email protected]

Speaker 1 11:50  

our theme music is by Ali at Apex. Production Music and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco ciofe.

Lesley Logan 11:57  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 12:01  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.