What if we stopped calling kids “difficult”… and started getting honest about what difficult behavior is really communicating?

In today’s episode, Karen Mayer Cunningham sits down with John Vergara (aka The Difficult Student) — an assistant principal over special education and one of the most impactful voices online when it comes to behavior, leadership, and building classroom culture that actually works.

John shares his personal story — from being the student with challenging behavior to becoming a leader supporting teachers, paraprofessionals, and IEP teams across two schools. This conversation is real, practical, and grounded in what helps kids and protects learning for everyone in the room.

✨ What You’ll Learn

• Why John says “the student is good — it’s the behavior we work on”
• The 3-part foundation: safety → love → self-esteem
• Why structure and procedures are not “strict”… they’re support
• A simple mindset shift that changes everything for teachers in hard environments

Resources + Links

✅ Join The Academy (Skool Community): https://www.skool.com/special-education-academy/about

✅ Get Karen’s book The Epic IEP (official link): https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1637635125?tag=simonsayscom

Find John Vergara (The Difficult Student)

• Instagram / TikTok: @thedifficultstudent
• Podcast: The Difficult Student Podcast (Spotify / Apple / YouTube)

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