For today’s episode, Sarah is joined by special guest Ben Folds, storied American singer-songwriter, musician, and podcaster. They discuss how failure is baked into doing science, how Folds’ song about the Mueller investigation is the perfect place to start for the law-curious, and the song-writing process.

Show Notes:

-Mister Peepers by Ben Folds

-Still Fighting It by Ben Folds

-A Dream About Lightning Bugs: A Life of Music and Cheap Lessons by Ben Folds

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