The Ringer’s Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald get together to talk about the finale of Season 4 of ‘Better Call Saul’ (5:43) and what’s next for the series (12:35). Then they are joined by the creator of Netflix’s ‘Maniac,’ Patrick Somerville, to talk about the process of creating the show (18:01) and what it was like to work with Cary Fukunaga, Emma Stone, Jonah Hill, and more (36:41).

Read Miles Surrey on the fourth season of 'Better Call Saul' here.

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