A conversation with Jonathon Gassett, Ph.D., former Commissioner of Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources, Southeastern Representative of the Wildlife Management Institute, National Conservation Leadership Institute and Patrick Berry, former Director of Vermont fish and Wildlife Department and CEO of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers

"Those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it." Why does the US and Canada have a tradition of public hunting and wildlife conservation based on the public ownership of wildlife? Why don't we hunt elk in fenced enclosures in Wyoming, as many hunt whitetails in Texas? Why are we not like Scotland, where hunters pay to stalk red deer on huge private estates? How about South Africa, where almost all "hunting preserves" are high fenced? Why do we have what we have? Why is it imperiled from all sides right now?

Political attacks on Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration funds from the right, ballot initiatives to ban mountain lion hunting and take away the authority of wildlife biologists from the left. The wholesale dismantling of state fish and game agencies by both left and right. Scorn for the public trust. Hunting and the conservation upon which it is based is under massive fire from all sides, and from a growing apathy and indifference of masses of Americans who don't have access to it, and so don't understand or care about the careful stewardship of wildlife and fisheries that created a miracle of restoration almost 100 years ago. Today's podcast episode is a conversation with experts at a time of crisis.