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Where Is the New Jerusalem Today? (Heavenly Jerusalem Explained)

In this episode of our New Jerusalem / New Creation series, we tackle a question that Christians often wonder about but rarely explore in depth: Where is the New Jerusalem right now? Drawing from key passages in Hebrews, John, Galatians, Isaiah, Genesis, and Revelation, we build a biblical case that the New Jerusalem presently exists in heaven as a real, God-built city—awaiting the day it descends to the earth at Christ’s return.

What You’ll Learn in This Teaching

This teaching walks through the Bible’s own explanations—without importing modern assumptions that “heaven” must mean non-physical or “spiritual only.” You’ll hear how Scripture describes a heavenly city with foundations, designed by God Himself, and how Jesus promised to prepare a real place for His people. We’ll also explore why it’s a false dichotomy to pit spiritual vs. physical, since the Bible presents God’s future as a redeemed creation that is both spiritual and material.

Key Texts Covered

Hebrews 12:22–24 — The Heavenly Jerusalem Right Now

Hebrews describes believers arriving at Mount Zion and “the city of the living God… the heavenly Jerusalem,” surrounded by angels, the gathered people of God, and “the spirits of the righteous made perfect.” This passage strongly suggests a present reality—not merely a symbol.

Hebrews 11:10 — Abraham Looked for a Real City

Abraham wasn’t looking for an abstract idea. He was “looking forward to the city with firm foundations, whose architect and builder is God.” This episode challenges the common assumption that “built by God” automatically means “immaterial.”

John 14:2–3 — Jesus Prepares a Place

Jesus promised many dwelling places in the Father’s house and said He is going to prepare a place for His people. This connects directly to the biblical theme of a prepared city—not simply a vague spiritual state.

The Jerusalem Above and the Prophecy of Isaiah 54

Galatians 4 — Two Jerusalems at the Same Time

Paul contrasts the present Jerusalem on earth with the Jerusalem above, showing that Scripture speaks of two Jerusalems simultaneously—one earthly, one heavenly.

Isaiah 54:11–12 — A Future Jerusalem of Glory

Isaiah describes Jerusalem’s future with foundations of sapphires, gates like crystal, and walls of precious stones—language that mirrors the New Jerusalem in Revelation. Because Paul quotes from Isaiah 54 while discussing the “Jerusalem above,” this episode highlights how the Old Testament prophecy expands into the New Testament fulfillment.

Is the New Jerusalem “Above” Israel?

This teaching also explores an intriguing biblical hint: if the New Jerusalem is “above,” could it be in proximity to Israel, possibly hovering in an unseen heavenly dimension? Using examples like Jacob’s ladder (Genesis 28:17) and Stephen’s vision (Acts 7), the episode shows how Scripture depicts moments where the heavenly realm becomes visible—suggesting heaven is not “far away,” but nearer than we assume.

Watch the Full New Jerusalem Series

If you want to go deeper into New Creation Premillennialism, the New Heaven and New Earth, and the descent of the New Jerusalem in Revelation, be sure to check the playlist linked in the show notes. This episode is a key building block in understanding where God’s kingdom is headed—and where it already exists today.

What Is the Thessalonian Error in 2 Thessalonians?

In this episode, we explain the “Thessalonian error”—the fear that believers are already in the Day of the Lord when, in fact, they are not. Walking through 2 Thessalonians 1–2, you’ll see how Paul comforts the Thessalonian church during persecution and corrects false teaching that the Day of the Lord’s judgment/wrath had already begun.

Key Theme: Day of the Lord Has Not Come Yet

Paul affirms the Day of the Lord will come, but he insists it has not arrived because specific prophetic events must occur first. This matters because confusion about end-times timelines can produce unnecessary panic and spiritual despair—exactly what Paul confronts in his letter.

Antichrist’s Great Tribulation vs. God’s Wrath

A major focus is the biblical distinction between the Antichrist’s Great Tribulation (targeting Israel and the church) and the Day of the Lord’s wrath (targeting the ungodly world). You’ll learn why these are two separate events, and how Jesus returns to cut short the Antichrist’s persecution, rapture the church, and only then does God pour out His eschatological wrath.

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If you want a deeper study, check out Antichrist Before the Day of the Lord (linked in the show notes).

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In this teaching, Roger Best continues his overview of end time events and focuses on one key question: When does the rapture take place in the sequence of end-times prophecy? Rather than date-setting, he lays out a clear biblical timeline using foundational passages such as Daniel 9, Matthew 24 (the Olivet Discourse), 1–2 Thessalonians, and Revelation 6–16.

How to Study Bible Prophecy (Without Confusion)

Roger begins with essential principles of interpretation: take Scripture in its natural sense, interpret verses in context, let Scripture interpret Scripture, recognize there are no contradictions, and watch for “near” and “far” fulfillments. This sets the stage for understanding prophetic passages without forcing current events into texts that are not about the last days.

Daniel’s 70th Week and Why Israel Matters

A major foundation is Daniel 9:24–27, where Roger explains the 70 “weeks” (490 years) and argues the final seven-year period—often called Daniel’s 70th Week—is still future. He connects the coming covenant, its midpoint betrayal, and Israel’s central role in end-times events, highlighting that God’s promise of “everlasting righteousness” has not yet been fulfilled.

Key Topics Covered

• The five big end-times issues

Daniel’s 70th Week, rapture timing, Israel’s salvation, God reclaiming world rule, and Armageddon.

• Why Matthew 24 applies to believers

Roger explains why the Olivet Discourse is not “only for Israel,” and why Jesus’ warnings about deception, persecution, and endurance matter for the church.

Matthew 24 + Revelation 6: Matching the Sequence

Roger then compares Matthew 24 with the seal judgments of Revelation 6, showing parallel themes: false christs, wars, famines, death, martyrdom, and escalating global pressure. He argues these are “birth pains” that intensify toward the midpoint and beyond.

Prewrath Rapture: After Tribulation Is Cut Short, Before God’s Wrath

A central claim is that the “great tribulation” (severe persecution) is cut short for the sake of the elect, followed by cosmic signs (darkened sun/moon) and then the gathering of believers. He distinguishes Satan’s wrath (persecution through Antichrist) from God’s wrath / the Day of the Lord (trumpets and bowls), which he places after the rapture.

What You’ll Walk Away With

By the end of this message you’ll have a big-picture roadmap: how Daniel’s 70th Week unfolds, why the seals precede the trumpets and bowls, how Israel’s future salvation fits in, and why this study should produce watchfulness, holy living, and confidence in Christ’s victory.

In this opening session, Roger Best tackles a question many Christians are asking in a world marked by conflict, upheaval, and spiritual confusion: *What does the Bible actually teach about the end times?* With so many prophecy books and teachers offering competing timelines, this message aims to clear the fog by returning to Scripture and laying a foundation for understanding end-time events—especially the timing of the rapture in relation to tribulation and God’s wrath.

In this episode of Bible Prophecy Answers, Dr. Alan Kurschner challenges a common imbalance in modern evangelism: many Christians boldly proclaim the cross (Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection) while rarely proclaiming the crown—the second coming of Christ, His kingdom reign, and His coming judgment. The result is a “truncated” message that often omits what the host calls the full gospel of the kingdom.

In this short but forceful episode of Bible Prophecy Answers, the host challenges Christians to rethink how they approach end times prophecy, the Antichrist, and the purpose of suffering in the Christian life. Using the vivid biblical image of David and Goliath, he urges believers to cultivate fearless faith for the moment when the eschatological Goliath—the Antichrist—arrives. The message is not merely academic or speculative. It is a call to spiritual readiness, faithful endurance, and uncompromising worship of Christ, even in the face of persecution and death.

From the outset, the host is transparent: Pre-Wrath eschatology will likely never become the most popular rapture view, especially in America, because it includes something many modern Christians instinctively resist—martyrdom. While other end-times frameworks often emphasize escape or removal before the rise of the Antichrist, the Pre-Wrath rapture view expects believers to remain faithful through intense persecution. The host argues that this reality alone makes it unpopular in a comfort-centered culture. Yet he insists that truth and discipleship cannot be shaped by what is emotionally attractive. Instead, believers must align their expectations with Scripture and prepare for costly faithfulness.

Why Pre-Wrath Eschatology Isn’t the Most Popular Rapture View

The host grounds his argument in a simple observation: martyrdom is not a popular teaching. In many church contexts, especially within American Christianity, the expectation of suffering for Christ often feels distant or unlikely. This cultural mindset makes it harder for Christians to accept end-times teaching that anticipates Antichrist persecution against the church. As a result, views that promise removal before danger can feel more appealing.

Respecting Pre-Tribulation Christians Without Misrepresentation

Even while making a strong argument, the host is careful not to attack fellow believers who hold a different view. He explicitly states that he does not want to misconstrue or misrepresent his pre-tribulation brothers and sisters in Christ. He refuses to label them as “escapists.” Instead, he frames the disagreement as primarily interpretive: many Christians, he suggests, do not understand a crucial biblical distinction between two separate end-times realities—the Antichrist’s great tribulation and the Day of the Lord’s wrath.

This approach keeps the focus on Scripture rather than insults. The host’s goal is to persuade, not to demonize. He wants believers to see how their understanding of tribulation and wrath shapes their expectations of the rapture and their readiness for persecution.

The Critical Distinction: Antichrist Great Tribulation vs Day of the Lord’s Wrath

The episode’s theological centerpiece is what the host calls a critical distinction: the Bible describes two different purposes operating in the end times, and these must not be conflated.

The Object of Antichrist Wrath: The Church and Israel

First, the host argues that the Antichrist’s wrath is directed toward God’s people. According to his reading of the relevant Scriptures, the Antichrist’s persecution targets the church and Israel. This is the season often referred to as great tribulation—a time when the people of God become the focal point of satanic hostility and global opposition. In this view, believers should not assume that persecution is reserved only for others, or that the church will be absent from the darkest hour of spiritual conflict.

The Object of the Day of the Lord’s Wrath: The Wicked

Second, the host distinguishes this from the Day of the Lord’s wrath, which is God’s eschatological judgment. Here, the target changes. God’s wrath is not aimed at the righteous; its object is the wicked. The host describes a sequence: after the days of great tribulation are cut short by the Lord’s return, Christ delivers the righteous, and then the Day of the Lord’s wrath falls upon the ungodly.

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Why There Is No Temple in the New Jerusalem City

This episode of Bible Prophecy Answers tackles a focused question many readers of Revelation ask: Why is there no temple inside the New Jerusalem? The host frames the discussion around Revelation 21:22, where John describes the climactic city of God’s future kingdom and makes a startling observation—he “saw no temple” in the city. Rather than treating that detail as symbolic filler, the episode argues it is theologically intentional and prophetically consistent with the Old Testament, especially Ezekiel’s end-times vision.

From the start, the host notes that the series is exploring themes like new creationism, premillennialism, the New Heaven and New Earth, the millennium, and the New Jerusalem. The goal is not to avoid prophecy details but to interpret them carefully—“nothing more or nothing less”—because God includes details for a reason.

Revelation 21:22: The Lord God and the Lamb Are the Temple

The core text is Revelation 21:22, where John says the New Jerusalem contains no temple, “for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.” That statement becomes the foundation for the episode’s primary answer:

Why no temple?

Because a temple is not needed in the New Jerusalem. In the biblical storyline, a temple functions as a sacred space that mediates God’s presence among His people. But in the New Jerusalem, God’s presence is immediate and direct. The city does not require a separate structure to represent or localize God’s dwelling, because God Himself—Father and Son—fulfills what the temple always pointed to.

This interpretation highlights a major biblical theme: the movement from limited access to God’s presence toward full access, culminating in the restored and permanent fellowship between God and humanity.

Ezekiel’s Vision Supports the “No Temple in the City” Detail

A major argument in the transcript is that Ezekiel and John are not contradictory; instead, Ezekiel provides a background framework that helps explain John’s description.

Ezekiel separates the temple from the city

The host emphasizes that Ezekiel distinguishes the temple from the city. In Ezekiel’s prophetic tour, the angelic guide shows a structured sacred region that contains multiple elements in relationship—but not identical location. This matters because it supports the idea that even if a temple exists in Ezekiel’s vision, it is not necessarily inside the city itself, which aligns with John seeing “no temple in it” (in the city).

In other words, the “no temple” detail is not a problem to solve by dismissing Ezekiel or spiritualizing John. Instead, the episode proposes a straightforward reading: temple and city are distinct but near each other.

The Holy Allotment: Ezekiel 45 and the End-Time Sacred Plateau

One of the transcript’s most important concepts is the Holy Allotment (referencing Ezekiel 45:1–7). Ezekiel describes a large square portion of land—notably described as being on a plateau—set apart as uniquely holy. Within this Holy Allotment, Ezekiel’s vision includes both sacred and civic components.

The city structure and its tribal gates

Ezekiel describes a city-like structure with three gates on each side, named for the twelve tribes of Israel. This echoes the broader biblical theme of covenant identity and God’s faithful restoration of His people. The host notes that the city aspect in Ezekiel often gets overshadowed by the heavy attention given to the temple measurements, but it should not—Ezekiel’s city has a function, and that function ties into end-time governance and God’s dwelli...

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New Creation Premillennialism: A Fresh Look at the New Jerusalem, New Heavens, and New Earth

In this episode, the host introduces what he calls New Creation Premillennialism, a framework for understanding how the new heavens, new earth, and New Jerusalem relate to the millennium. The conversation centers on a newly published book by Janet Willis, titled What on Earth Is Heaven Like? The New Creation and the New Jerusalem?—a work the host calls the best Bible prophecy book written in the past year. He emphasizes his strong endorsement by noting that he personally wrote the foreword to the book and believes it offers a well-researched, biblically grounded contribution to eschatology (end-times theology).

What Is “New Creation Premillennialism”?

The host explains that “new creationism” is becoming more popular, but it is often expressed in different ways. He contrasts two commonly held positions with his own view.

View 1: “No Historical Millennium” New Creationism

One perspective he mentions is a form of millennialism that denies a historical millennial period after Christ returns. In this view, when Jesus comes back, the New Jerusalem, new earth, and new heaven are fully realized immediately—without any intervening millennium. The host notes that while this approach affirms new creation realities, it rejects a distinct future era in which Christ rules the nations on earth.

View 2: Traditional Premillennial Timing After the Millennium

A second view comes from more standard premillennial interpretations. Many premillennialists place the new heavens, new earth, and New Jerusalem after the millennium. In other words, Christ returns, then the millennium occurs, and only afterward do the final new creation realities arrive in full form.

The Host’s Position: New Creation During the Millennium

The host disagrees with both approaches and proposes what he labels New Creation Premillennialism: the belief that the new heavens, new earth, and New Jerusalem are established when Jesus returns and are experienced during the millennium, not before it and not after it. For him, the millennium is not merely a transitional footnote—it is the period when the New Jerusalem descends and the renewed creation is actively integrated into Christ’s Davidic reign over the nations.

Why the Details Matter: “Where” and “How” We Live With the Lord

Drawing from his foreword, the host highlights a pastoral and devotional motivation for studying these themes. He references Paul’s teaching that believers will “always be with the Lord” (from 1 Thessalonians), and observes that many Christians are content to stop there. But he argues Scripture invites deeper understanding: Where will believers live with the Lord? How will life function? What will believers be doing? What is the relationship between God’s people and the nations?

To illustrate the point, he compares this future-focused study to how intensely people research temporary homes—spending hours browsing listings and visiting houses they may live in for only a few decades. If people can be that invested in short-term housing, he suggests, believers should be far more eager to explore what the Bible reveals about an eternal home with Jesus on earth.

Janet Willis’ Book: Three Major Contributions

The host argues that Willis’ book doesn’t merely recycle familiar prophecy talking points. Instead, he claims it reshapes the discussion by challenging long-held assumptions and weaving biblical data into a coherent narrative of the millennial kingdom. He highlights three specific strengths.

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Ezekiel's City and John's New Jerusalem: Biblical Prophecy Explained

Discover the striking parallels between Ezekiel's millennial city and John's New Jerusalem in this in-depth biblical prophecy analysis. This episode explores why God chose Jerusalem as His eternal dwelling place and what the prophets reveal about the future city.

Topics Covered:

Ezekiel's millennial city vs. John's New Jerusalem

New Creation Premillennialism explained

Biblical evidence for Jerusalem's eternal significance

Zechariah's Plateau and geographical prophecy

Detailed comparisons of Ezekiel 40-48 and Revelation 21-22

Why predictive prophecy matters

The 12 gates, square base, and architectural parallels

Recommended Reading:

"What on Earth Is Heaven? Like The New Creation and the New Jerusalem" by Janet Willis

Available on Amazon: [link]

Key Scripture References:

2 Chronicles 6:6 | Psalm 132:13-14 | Jeremiah 30-31 | Zechariah 14:10-11 | Ezekiel 40-48 | Revelation 21-22

The episode's central argument compares two prophetic visions with remarkable parallels:

Both Ezekiel and John were transported to the future by angelic guides

Both received detailed measurements via measuring rods

Both witnessed a square-based city with twelve gates (three on each side)

Both identified the city as holy and as God's throne

Both emphasized the city's perpetual significance

Neither city contained a temple

Ezekiel describes the city in chapters 40-48, while John's vision appears in Revelation 21-22. The identical architectural details—square base, twelve gates with tribal names, holy designation, and God's throne—strongly suggest they describe the same physical location.

Emphasis on Literal Interpretation

The speaker stresses trusting the biblical text literally rather than spiritualizing prophetic details. He critiques amillennialists, preterists, and reformed theologians who struggle with Zechariah 14's specificity, noting they attempt to allegorize clear geographical language. The speaker advocates for accepting God's prophetic word at face value, trusting the text's plain meaning rather than conforming it to theological systems.

The episode concludes by previewing future discussions about why the New Jerusalem contains no temple, inviting deeper exploration of this remarkable prophecy.

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