So far this year, there have been 18 school shootings in the United States, and a total of more than 200 mass shootings in the country.

On the podcast this week, the Bishop of Colorado, the Rt Revd Kym Lucas, is interviewed about this epidemic of gun violence, and talks about her own experience of a shooting in her son’s school. Interview by Francis Martin.

“When I tell people what I do, I say: ‘I’m a follower of Jesus. And I mean that Jesus who said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” The one who said, “Those who live by the sword (or the gun!) will die by it,’”’ she says.

“It is very odd notion that somehow being a follower of Jesus makes you an advocate of violence, or even a proponent of violence, in terms of gun ownership. I find that very strange.”

Music for the podcast is by Twisterium

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