Today, I’m bringing you a special bonus episode with professor Shilo Brooks. Shilo is the host of a new Free Press books podcast called, 'Old School'.

For our conversation, I picked Thomas Sowell’s A Conflict of Visions. Although our conversation happened months before Mamdani's victory yesterday, I think Sowell’s theory of the two “visions” that shape modern politics is helpful to understanding this election cycle--and why some people buy into utopian projects of remaking society, while others trust the quiet power of incentive structures like free markets.

It was a great conversation and I am excited to share part of it with you today. This is just a section, for the rest of the discussion search for Old School with Shilo Brooks wherever you get your podcasts.

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