Boundless Talk 无限的聊

最近Yvonne的事情实在是太多了，其实跟朋友录了期节目，但是一直没有剪出来。

几天在办事儿的路上突然哼起来了这首歌，哼了一路，回来就录下来了，算是给各位听友致歉了（其实并没有任何听友在意是否更新是么�）

Anyways，正片仍然不知道什么时候会上，大概是等我忙完了吧。

鞠躬

许多人都会有这么一个困惑：如何能学好英语呢？问出这个问题的时候，英语就变成了一个学科，而不仅仅是一种语言了。想想你是怎么学习中文的，就大概知道为什么英语学不好了。因为你没有把它当成一种交流工具。这期想聊一下为什么英语不好的三个主要原因，或者说，如何让你的英语有提高的三个关键点。这期语速偏慢，语言简单，适合脱离文字稿，纯听。


GRE--Graduate Record Examination, is a standardized test that is an admissions requirement for many graduate schools in the United States and Canada and few in other countries, according to Wikipedia. Unlike TOEFL, a test of English, with which people are more familiar, GRE is a test in English. I know a lot about this test, and I had a lot of experiences about how to conquer that. But I can't say I am a master in GRE, I just learned a lot from this examination. And I'm still a student, just like you, who wanna know more about how to improve your English, critical reasoning, logic, and all intellectual fields. 


Today I'd like to share you all GRE takers or anyone interested in learning English, three key points to improve your English. 
I'm Yvonne, and welcome to BT English. 


First of all, don't memorize words only from vocabulary books. Pick up words in the reading contexts. Have you ever had this kind of confusion? I learned a new word from a vocabulary book, and I can even remember the position of the word in the book. But I just cannot recall the meaning of it. Hm, that's you, uh? Why?
Think about yourself. How did you learn Chinese, our mother-tongue? You can speak Chinese even before you can read Chinese characters on paper, right? How did you get that? You learn how to speak Chinese by imitating your parents first, and then you learn more from TV, reading articles on magazine, newspapers. You never, almost never, learned Chinese by memorizing it from a dictionary. So did English. Pick up words in conversations, in articles, and in reading materials. What's important is not you can memorize the meaning of a new word in the dictionary, but you can use that word in your speaking or writing. 


Secondly, for the English test takers, especially for the GRE takers, do more readings. Over thousand times, I heard my students' complaints that "Yvonne, vocabulary is my enemy, that's why I can't conquer GRE". Not really. You can't go through this test not only because of a paucity of words but because of a paucity of knowledge. I didn't mean to offend you guys, but that's the truth. 
When you encounter "suffrage movement" in the reading comprehension part, you get confused. When you encounter "empathy" in the text completion part, you just use it as a synonym of "sympathy". You don't know anything about supernova, an exploding star, or temperance movement, a movement consisting of the largest woman movement in the 19th century America. Yes, we did know a lot about our country, but we knew little about the world history. 


Thirdly, learning English is a long-term project, which means it's not that obvious when you did make some progress. I think that partially accounts for the question: why so many students are crazy into memorizing words. You are lulled into a false sense of getting improved by the increased number of words you can remember. I know, in modern period, we human beings are all set in a fast freeway. 
We prefer fast foods, make easy money, and scroll cell phones seeking the next excitement. But you cannot learn English well in such a rush way. You need time to learn new words, and to get familiar with a new phrase. Here is my suggestion: let your interest guide you. If you are interested in literary, go grab some books or e-books of novel. If you are interested in natural sciences, come on, there are tons of documentaries on the Internet. Whatever you are interested in, go for it. You're not learning English. You are learning something you love, by the way, in English. And gradually, you know more about this world as well as about English. 


I would love to share my experiences and my knowledge all about how to practice English and how to conquer GRE、TOEFL、IELTS stuff thing in the following episodes, and I hope that'll be helpful. 
I am Yvonne, and see you next time. 

最近国内的各大视频网站上重映了《老友记》，你看了没？第一季上线之后，我已经看了五遍。以前看的时候并没有太大的感受，甚至还觉得因为年代久远，有些无法找到共鸣。这次也不知道是怎么了，就是会被六个人的感情给打动，被Monica的那句“Welcome to the real world! It sucks. You are gonna love it”拽进故事当中，随他们笑而笑，随他们难过而难过。Anyways，今天我要聊一聊老友记了(主要是第一二季)，你准备好了嘛～

Which one do you like best, Monica, Rachel or Phoebe? And how about the gents? Ross, a little bit geeky, nerdy, but very sensitive and cute; Chandler, witty but sarcastic; or Joey, sometimes silly but very caring and sweet. You guys can figure out that the topic today I am gonna deal with is Friends, a television sitcom created in 1994. Since Friends reshowed on the Chinese video website recently, I have been through the first seasons for 5 times. For me, it's too hard to decide which one of them is my favorite. I just love all of them. In Friends, I can see how these characters grow and how they handle different relationships with parents, friends and lovers. I am gonna talk about several impressive scenarios in my way. I'm Yvonne, and welcome to BT English. 

As we all know, Ross is Monica's brother. They have shared parents. But the difference is that, to their parents, Ross is the one who never did wrong—he is the "Prince". Monica's not that lucky. Their mother is always picking on her every little detail—her haircut, her dress, her job, everything. It seems like whatever Monica did would never satisfy her mother. Thus, every time when Ross and Monica's parents stopped by her place, she felt very nervous and twirly, just couldn't calm down. Even though I don't have a sibling to overshadow me, I can still connect with Mon. When I was a teenage girl, if I did something wrong, for example, if I got a low score in examination, well, I could totally imagine what's gonna happen. However, the difficult part is that Monica has no idea about how to ingratiate her mother. But in the episode of "Nana's funeral", we can figure that out: just because her Nana, Monica's grandmother, dictated her mother these years, her Mom implicitly treated Monica in the same way. At the very end of this episode, her Mom complained her Nana to Monica, said how picky and bossy she was. Monica asked her mother "do you think things would have been better if you just told her the truth?" Her mother thought for a second and refused. I mean what a reality! No matter how old you are, people just don't wanna confront their parents. Afterwards,  when her mother gotta pick on her one more time, suddenly she realized and stopped. And then, she just praised Monica's earrings. Monica said "thank you, they're yours." And her mother replied, "actually, they're Nana's."

We always have lot of complaints about our parents, but we still love them deeply from bottom of our heart in the way they love us. 

And then, let's say something about friendship. Here are two stories impressed me very much. First one is about Joey and Phoebe. In the first two seasons, they're still friends. So, let's start from "they are just friends". Phoebe has a twin sister Ursula with whom she hasn't talked in years. Dim-witted Joey crushed on Ursula in her workplace. I just have no idea how come, I mean, don't they just look the same? Never mind, Joey just crushed on her for no reason. Phoebe was pissed off, not only because Joey didn't show up in her birthday party, but also because he celebrated birthday with her twin sister whom Phoebe didn't like that much. However, Joey's crush on Ursula ended with break-up. On the one hand, Ursula was not that into Joey. On the other hand, Joey wasn't willing to compromise on friendship. He preferred Phoebe. Just like Phoebe said, "boyfriends and girlfriends are gonna come and go, but this (their friendship) is for life."

And the second one is about Monica and Rachel. When Rachel finally finds out her feeling about Ross, Ross has a girlfriend, Julie. Oh, come on, such a cliche, you know. Ross has been loving Rachel since 9th grade, but Rachel was not on the same page with him until he's over her. And suddenly, this Julie bumped into Ross. It's Rachel's turn to not feel good. Oh my god, I just wanna say "hello, what's wrong with you guys". And then, my poor little Monica, she just didn't know how to do. Julie, her brother's girlfriend and a nice woman too, invited her to go shopping together. Technically, she would love to hangout with her potential sister-in-law. But there is a Rachel, her real friend who is disturbed by Julie, this new girlfriend. When Rachel caught her going out for shopping with Julie, Monica behaved exactly the same as a husband who is caught an affair by his wife. Yep, I mean, sometimes, we treat our best friend as our partner. We just cannot stop thinking of occupation. And Rachel has her point of view, this woman, Julie, not only stole the man who might be the person she is supposed to be with, but also stole her best friend Monica, this sweet and bitter girls friendship. 

And then, let me turn to my favorite part—Ross and Rachel's love. What a cute couple they are! I mean, can you imagine another couple on earth could be a little more cuter than they are? No, you can't. I claim they are the cutest of the cute. Yes, you can see how much I love them, huh? I heard someone said Ross is too weak and lack of masculinity. What I wanna say is, maybe you misunderstand what is masculinity. I think a man would be more charming if he could show his care and provide emotional support for his beloved girl, not to mention how smart he is. At the same time, this man has been loving a girl for 10 years! That's the most romantic thing I can ever picture. And of course, Rachel knows that and value that very much. Rachel said they two could have real connection with each other. I have to admit that Ross is not perfect, of course, so is Rachel. But that doesn't mean they couldn't make it to be a perfect couple. Even though they are gonna have lots of troubles in the following seasons, they could fixed them up together. Like what Phoebe said, Rachel is Ross's lobster. And Ross is the man who is worth Rachel's waiting. 

Certainly, there are some other fantastic moments in Friends, such as the moment Ross sent his lesbian wife Carol to her lesbian lover Susan, the moment little Ben was given birth to, the moment Rachel broke up with her Mr. Right Richard. In every important single moment, each one of the six is having good company around them. Just like the lyric says "I'll be there for you, 'cause you're there for me too." 

All right, I guess I'm gonna stop here tonight. My dear listeners, have a wonderful night. 

I'm Yvonne, bye-bye.

去年秋季的时候，GRE老师教研，遇到一道填空题说：共情是很妙的事情，但是无法打破精神上的隔阂。我当时非常的同意，因为一直坚信没有真正的「感同身受」。但这几个月的经历，又让我有了一些新的感悟。也许，没有所谓「真正的感同身受」。但你愿意去倾听和体会，你愿意去相信和提供帮助，这本身就是一种很美好的事情，我想称它为「共情」。这期，根据我自己的经历，我从“自我”聊到“共情”，并且区分了一下“共情”和“同情”，如果你也有类似的体会，欢迎留言，讨论，转发～


As you guys can see, I am a teacher who have been teaching GRE verbal section for more than 10 years. Recently, I encountered a question in the text completion part, which says "empathy is a wonderful thing, but it does not defeat mental separateness because all attempts to grasp the subjective experience of another are interpretations, not acts of merging." I agreed with this point in the past few years. I think it's impossible that persons share the same feelings. When your friends say"I can feel exactly what you felt", it doesn't mean they really could feel that, but just mean they think they are capable of having the shared feeling. Yes, I was a skeptic to the concept of empathy. And meanwhile, I was proud of myself that I could hold my own point of view. In other words, I had my ego, an ego that led everything I had in my life. But is that true: there is no such a thing called empathy? Everybody who would like to live an independent life must have their own ego? I am going to talk about something of "ego and empathy". This episode would be a little bit esoteric, and as well I will leave the script in the shownotes. I'm Yvonne, and welcome to BT English. 


First of all, I'd like to clarify my definition of Ego. Ego here, it's more like "insisting what you genuinely believe in and think"than arrogance or narcissism. In this aspect, Ego is not a completely bad idea. Using myself as an example, my ego led me to my career and brought me confidence. As a GRE teacher, I have to study the reading material deeply and seriously by my own. Unless 100% sure about the questions in the examination, without my own understanding or thinking, I couldn't deliver the knowledge to my students effectively. I have to hold my ego that "I am very familiar with GRE and I am pretty sure what I am teaching in class is right." Speaking of which, I do think that ego lead me a way to becoming more and more professional in my own field. 
OK, enough with the bright side of Ego, I am gonna turn to another side. I heard a lot of saying about "shedding your ego". I agreed with that, especially in the daily life. When you communicate with other people, when you wanna make some new friends, the most important thing is listening. You need to pay attention to what other people are talking about. At this moment, "what you genuinely believe in and think" doesn't that matter, your conversation and communication matters. That means, you need to put down your beliefs for a while, and focus on other's narrative. Or I can say, when you are the narrator, go ahead with your ego; but when you are a listener, please drop your ego down and just listen. Ego in this situation would interrupt the flow of communication. 


And when you shed your ego, you are on the way to empathy. 


I'd like to distinguish two words with some similarities: sympathy and empathy. Some people use these two words in a synonymous way. The overlap is real, but they're not identical. Sympathy is understood as an ability to see other people's pain or misery, and to feel sorry and compassion for their suffering. Empathy is different. Empathy is not feeling sorry, it's more like, here, I'd like to quote a saying from Pharrell Williams "empathy is about looking at someone's experiences through their lenses. " Yes, through their lenses. A lot of us are very set in our ways. We think what we think. We feel what we feel. And we're not really interested in outside points of view. But you don't really ever grow when you allow yourself to be constrained like that. Empathy here is to show you way out of limitations, to build up a connection between you and someone else, to widen the aperture of understanding. 


Here is my story. Instead of criticism and reproach, I felt empathetic to Strickland, a character in the book and musical The Moon and Sixpence. He is a very controversial character who has been criticized for his irresponsibility and ego many years. But when I was sitting in the theater, going through all his thoughts and ideas in the story, I could understand his thinking and his feeling. I did look at his experiences through his lenses. I knew that he abandoned his wife and children not because of his irresponsibility but because of his dream, a dream to paint exactly what had happened to him. A dream goes beyond his secular life. Empathy doesn't mean "I agree with you", but means "I don't judge you and I care". You're not self-centric anymore, and you shift from selfish to selfless.


So, my dear friends, do you have any story to share? Or what's your opinion about Ego and Empathy? You're more than welcome to leave comments down below. 
I'm Yvonne, and see you next time.  

2020年，Netflix的一部纪录片《The Social Dilemma》（中文译名：监视资本主义）上线。去年第一次看了这部纪录片，最近又重看了一遍。虽然我觉得自己对于社交媒体和网络世界有一定的认知，对于娱乐向的app有一定的自制力，以及对于网络上的信息有一定的辨识能力；但是当我看完这部纪录片还是有一些新的思考出现了。这期节目想聊聊关于这部纪录片的内容，以及我自己的一些思考。

Last year, I watched a documentary film named The Social Dilemma. The film features interviews with  many former employees, executives, and other professionals from top tech companies and social media platforms such as Facebook, Google, and Twitter. All of these experts talk about something we don't know about this digital world. For example, you think Google or Baidu is just a search box, and Facebook or Weibo or WeChat moment is a place to see what friends are doing. Not exactly. What you don't realize is that there is an entire group of engineers and professionals whose job is using your behavior on the Internet to track you and analyze you. That's called Big Data. 
Today, I'm gonna say something about this Social Dilemma. I'm Yvonne, and welcome to BT English. 

Big data, or 大数据, is a very popular concept in our daily life. Did you find something tricky here? We are not human beings any more, we are just data. Yes, we are objectified. But wait a second. Can we blame all the social medias for this objectification? I don't think so. It is we, people, that hand in our information to these social medias. Think about this. How often you are shopping in Taobao? How many things in your apartment are bought online? How long did you spend on the social media platforms everyday? "Oh, it's time to log in Tiktok and Weibo to find something new." We constantly need lots of information and interesting things to lead our life. We just cannot help scrolling cellphone to find next excitement. 
Of course, there are pros and cons about the Internet. And I'm pretty sure everyone of you can list thousands of benefits we can get from the Internet. But besides these advantages, I wanna say something bad about this cyber world. 

First of all, "If you are not paying for the product, you are the product." There are lots of free resources online, thanks to the Internet. But you really think all the resources are free? Let me tell you something. You paid for every single thing you got from the Internet even you didn't realize. How can it come? Maybe you would say, "I watched movies online for free, and I could download some academic materials online for free. " How did you get them? You paid attention to some ads which appeared in the middle of the movie; you register your phone number or your email for getting a free academic dissertation. You trade your attention and your private information for the movie and the dissertation. These attention and private information are invaluable products for these tech companies. That's why they could analyze and predict their consumers' psychology. Do you still think you get these resources for free? You paid much more than money. 

Moreover, we are thrown into a huge competition in the social medias. In other words, the social medias are producing anxieties and depression all the time. Have you ever felt anxious about your job, your weight, your appearance, or relationship with your partner? When you're on social media, you felt unsatisfied with yourself particularly. I do remember one scenario in that movie. After more than ten times retakes, a teenage girl posts a photo on her instagram and waits for some likes. Besides lots of likes, she also got something unwanted. A comment said, "can you make your ears bigger? like an elephant?" Even though this cannot be qualified as a mean word, she still felt embarrassed immediately because of her ears. Even though the person who left the comment didn't mean to offend her, the teenage girl felt hurt actually. You would say "that's a girl issue, she's too sensitive and fragile." But could anybody guarantee that the next generation would have a healthy and holistic mental development under this competitive, anxious, depressed situation. Nobody could. 

Last but not least, "fake news spread six times faster than true news." These days, I was overwhelmed by news about Russia-Ukraine war. Every morning, I wake up with updated number of how many people died and how many people get injured. Some posts in social media are often inflammatory, exaggerated and distorted. If I wanna know what is exactly happening in Ukraine, I have to pay much more efforts to distinguish truth from the false. 

Of course, I am not saying these tech companies and social media platforms are all bad. They did bring us lots of convenience and benefits in our modern life. But maybe, we could keep alert to them. For example, buy what you really need, pay for products you want. Be aware of "there's no such thing as a free lunch. " Meanwhile, know who you are, don't let others' opinion influence you that easily. And improve your ability to do critical reasoning. We are not tools or data, but we are using the tools and data. 

I highly recommend The Social Dilemma to you guys. If you have time to spare, this movie is a good choice. 
I'm Yvonne and see you around. 

"Being in the present moment, or the “here and now,” means that we are aware and mindful of what is happening at this very moment. We are not distracted by ruminations on the past or worries about the future, but centered in the here and now."

Have you ever had this kind of question? What is the meaning of life?
I have held this question in my mind for a long time. and I am still on my way to find an answer. 
This is Yvonne, and welcome to today's BT English. 


The「meaning of life」question happened to me six years ago, when the first time seems like I screwed everything in my life. I have done with a three and a half year relationship with a man who i thought was my soulmate. And meanwhile, my boss, a man with whom I could worked well, left and got his startup. Yes, i did look failed in every aspect of my life. And then, i was lost, I couldn't  find myself a reason to proceed. I even had a thought to end my life. The only reason that i didn't do that is my family. It seems like, 「the meaning of life」for me at that moment was having both a very great intimate relationship and a very great performance in my career. I couldn't find any other reasons to cheer me up. I lost all the meanings of life. 


Four years later, when the virus hit the whole world in 2020, I started to think about this question second time. Because of the pandemic, I have been living at home, in my hometown for nine months with my parents. Suddenly, I didn't have anything else to do except cooking every meal for my family. I spent plenty of time to learn more about cooking: how could i keep the taste and texture of food without losing any nutrition. And how could we, my parents and I, keep fit in quarantine. I had a lof of detailed question to tackle and I had zero time to find the meaning of life. And gradually, I found my value in doing these chores. I enjoyed myself in cooking a meal, doing exercises at home with my parents, sharing my thoughts, my ideas with them. I didn't think i had to find a reason to live. I was living with the person whom i had been loving more than anybody on Earth. I didn't intend to find an answer for the "meaning of life" question any more, i just live my life with it. 


One day, Niki asked me,"have you ever found the meaning of life?", coz I told her i was reading some books about philosophy. "Not yet", i replied, "I think i have to read more books and i am on my way to find the ultimate answer. "


But recently, I have something new in my mind. I read a book named (《西方现代思想讲义》) written by professor 刘擎. He mentions 19 intellectuals in this book who were or who are among the greatest philosophers in modern period. I was enlightened by these greatest thinking mind: maybe finding the meaning of life is meaningless, is effortless, coz there is no such a clear definition or concept. Everybody would held their own interpretations of life. The meaning of life would be too diverse and too amorphous to define. In other words, nobody except yourself could tell you what is the meaning of your life. 


I would have told you guys that i found the meaning of life. But in fact, I can't. 
We, human beings, always want a short-cut in life. We wanna get some authentic questions before examinations; we wanna know how to make easy money; we would better win a game without much practice. We long for an exact meaning of life. 
But there is no short-cut in life till the day you die. You have to live your own life day by day, just like playing the piano, if you wanna get some improvements, you have to practice and practice, many, many times. 


Ok, I think i am gonna call it a night.
and at the very end of this episode. all i wanna say is that instead of finding the meaning of life, go create the meaning of your life. 


this is Yvonne, i hope to see you soon~

这一期，继续畅销书作者的内心坦白局

本来的话题是想说：做一个freelancer的心得体会。但发现完全是「北美高圆圆」心路历程的坦白和自我成长的梳理。是难得的自我剖析和自省时刻，分享给各位，也希望大家有所思考。

节目的最后硬是来了个总结，是我们播客一贯的调性——强行升华。

我在和宇琪聊天的过程中，感受到了很多的共鸣，很多的相同，给我带来了很多的抚慰。非常感谢宇琪在忙碌的旅程中抽出时间做客节目，这期节目对我来说也是很疗愈的一个过程。

除此之外，Boundless Talk希望能够陪伴到身边的人，以及一些路过的朋友。

感谢收听～鞠躬

这期节目录制在2022年的一月初。前两天剪出来才发。
其中有几次实在没有节目发，Niki说，宇琪来的那期为什么不发啊。对啊，为什么呢？
我当时给出的解释是：宇琪作为重要听友的走心对话，要等到年后大家都收心了，能够沉浸下来听东西了才能发。
可能还有个原因是，这期节目聊的过程中，我感受到共振带来的无比的畅快。这种情绪浓烈到，哪怕是剪辑的时候重听一次，都会唤起我很大的能量消耗。听的过程是非常享受的，但是体能上却非常累。
好了，我编不下去了，我们的优质听友北美高圆圆一定能理解我的这种拖延的（嗯）。
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这次邀请BT的优质听友，畅销书《GRE长难句图解与精练》的作者高宇琪来做客。
在我看来中，宇琪就是典型的「好学生」的样子，没有被生活伤害过的单纯少年的模样。
但是在聊天过程中，她自己的叙事慢慢推翻了我之前对她的印象。给我展现了一个更加立体，多面，我不曾了解的一个朋友。
我们有好多好多共同的心事在过去的时空中交错；也有好多我不在现场的经历，通过她的描述，同样能带给我身临其境的感受。甚至这期节目中宇琪说出的一些话，穿越时间（早一个月）呼应了我们上期浪漫的体会。

提示：
1. 节目开始的非常欢乐，所以这期里面有好多我的大笑，听友们注意保护耳朵
2. 节目里提到的关于心理疗愈的一些过程，完全是个人经验，大家参考着借鉴。

那就一起听节目吧～

Y: OK. Here it is. I'd like to introduce a brand new channel to you guys, a brand new English channel. In this channel Niki or Yvonne, or Niki and Yvonne will focus on one topic. And every episode won't last long. If you guys are interested in that, if you wanna get some improvements in your oral English or English listening, please click the subscribe button and get your journey started with us. 
N: OK...Am I allowed to speak right now? Yeah, congratulations. 
Y: So, this is...
N: This is Niki.
Y: And this is Yvonne. 
N&Y: Welcome to today's BT English. 
Y: Not familiar with the new title. And ...Yas, so we got a brand new channel. And umm...from which we can talk...get started about the story. It's Niki that had this idea first. 
N: oh, yeah.  
Y: So, why do you wanna do an English Channel, an English Podcast. 
N: Because I just want to express myself.
Y: in English.
N: Yep, in English. 
Y: Coz you are an English teacher. 
N: No, not because i am an English teacher, just because I am used to it. I am used to this language. Not because I teach it. 
Y: ummm, OK. So how about the situation now?
N: What situation now?
Y: Your English Podcast situation. 
N: emm. It is pretty healthy. The name of it is Niki的英文语音备忘录。
Y: Yep, if someone's new here, welcome... you're more than welcome to subscribe both the channel, Boundless Talk and Niki的英文语音备忘录 in 小宇宙，only in 小宇宙。
N: Yeah, currently, only in 小宇宙。And if you guys are just finding or seeking for my podcast, you guys can just click into my personal profile. And you can see that right now I have two affiliated podcasts. The other one is actually the English Podcast. And you guys can just follow me on the channel as well. 
Y: Yes. 
N: But for Boundless Talk, we are gonna continue the form of...
Y: Long conversation.
N: Probably long conversation, two people discussing and talking... and things like that. 
Y: Yes. So, till now, what do you...any differences between Boundless Talk and your English Channel. 
N: Um... I think that...Em, in my English...well, are we making, like an interview...
Y: Yes. Let's do it, a brief interview. And Yvonne is interview(ing) Niki right now. 
N: So the difference is that I feel like, my own English podcast explores something deeper, like in my heart. It focuses on something in your own... like heart, in your internal world. I suppose to exploring the outside world. But I felt like Boundless Talk is more like maybe discussing some of the phenomenon that is going on in the society. Or you know, just...
Y: Exchange ideas, somtimes. 
N: Exchange ideas, or just have some fun together. And...
Y: Had some fun? I think Boundless Talk is all about deep, serious consideration about the public topic, OMG, so am I wrong?
N: OMG, you can just check out your own podcast list, like all the list. I think a lot of things, we are just...we...discussing nothing. And we were just having fun. We actually don't pay so much attention on these social... 
Y: No, I didn't. I paid a lot of attention...
N: But we didn't discuss quite a lot in Boundless Talk. 
Y: Social, public, public questions. 
N: We didn't discuss quite a lot in Boundless Talk. I mean, just now, you said  Boundless Talk should be about those, like more serious social issues on the broad perspective. 
Y: Maybe not exactly the social issues. But I take it very serious. And I really talk what I wanna...what I was thinking about the question or issue, or my deeply feel about something. 
N: Okay.
Y: I take it serious. I don't think it's "having fun". Of course, I had fun from doing that things. But meanwhile, I go through my ideas through our communication. 
N: Okay, it's the difference. I mean, my podcast is exploring like something happening inside of my heart, and just my heart. And sometimes, I would like to share some of my ideas to the listeners. And if you find that kind of...like...may be practical in your own life too, you can just directly take it away.  And I'm gonna be very delighted about it. But in contrast, Boundless Talk is, you know something about our discussion on some certain issues. I feel like, yeah, that is the difference. 
Y: Yes, yes...and... Okay, I think that's done. That's what I wanna...This is just a brief introduction about the new channel. And introduce Niki's own podcast. And again, to the new guys, new friends, you are more than welcome to subscribe both the channel. And if you're only interested in the English speaking, you can go straight to Niki's podcast. 
N: Okay. 
Y: Okay. That's all for today. 
N&Y : So bye, this is the BT English.