In an epic conversation about chasing authenticity in expression and products, Ilir sits down with LA’s pizza renaissance man: Brandon Gray of Brandoni Pepperoni. From his time cheffing in the Navy to starting his own business in 2020, Brandon is about dedication to craft, learning by trying, and the Clippers.

Listen in to hear why the details count, where Brandon’s Ratatoullie moment happens, and what makes his tomato sauce so tasty.