Bruce de Torres has used to acting skills as a lens for reexamining our history.

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Audio Clip: [00:00:00] Where the hell are you? Are you in that building?

[00:00:03] We’re still in the north tower.

[00:00:06] Sweetheart.

[00:00:07] Hey, buddy.

[00:00:08] We got an inferno on the north tower on [inaudible 0:00:11]

[00:00:11] Cannot take the elevators they are down.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:13] That’s Charlie Sheen and Whoopi Goldberg from one of the biggest bombs of the movie year 2017. That being the movie 911. And of course, it was a disaster because as you’ll learn in today’s interview with the very excellent Bruce de Torres, we all already know what happened with 9/11. What’s really interesting is how we continue to process what we know.

Alex Tsakiris: I mean, feeding the beast on a personal level, on a I know enough about 9/11. I got it, it was an inside job. I know enough about JFK. I got it. It was an inside job. Why do I need to personally feed the beast? Don’t I need to, as you’re talking about be with people, [and] just really be present on stage because we’re all on stage.

Bruce De Torres: [00:01:06] Yes. And we are the show and we are the audience. And if we are here, because we intended to be, because we are the manifestation of our own intention to exist. I like to think that we have 100% power because we have 100% responsibility for what things are to us. And then we’ve got a level of responsibility for what we actually cause and create. We have to parent ourselves. We have to pretend that we were raised by perfect parents. A mother who loved and reassured us and comforted us when we fell down, [and] scraped our knee. “There, there, you’re not alone,” rock and hold and, “You’re going to be okay.” And we have to pretend we had a perfect father, who I say his job is to fire us up [and] to say, “You can do it, come on. We got a lot to do today. We got a lot of wood to chop. We have a lot animal to catch. We’re going to make mistakes. We’re going to lose the tools. We’re going to break a bone. You might lose a tooth, and we’re going to clean ourselves up, we’re going to have a big meal, we get to go to bed exhausted. And we get to do it all over again tomorrow. Come on.”

Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:24] And all that leads back to the reoccurring question of this show over the last couple years, what’s this evil thing all about? Let’s say we took the rich and powerful and we put them on a bell curve of evilness. They’d fit, they’d fit, they wouldn’t all be on one side of that curve of, “Oh, you’re rich and powerful, therefore you’re evil.

Bruce De Torres: [00:02:49] It’s quite liberating to imagine. The quote unquote rich and powerful, the elite of the elite, the 1% of the 1%, who have their hands on the levers of control, fit into the bell curve, that at one fringe, there are supremely psychopathic and evil, tyrannical tyrants. And at the other hand, are folks who would be saint like and benevolent to us, right? And the vast majority in the middle, just muddle through. And whoever is in charge today, they’ll be evil, if evils in charge, they just don’t care. They’re just going waddle through.