In this episode of Local Marketing Secrets, I’m joined by Bryan Eisenberg — two-time New York Times bestselling author, co-creator of the Persuasion Architecture Framework, and the guy who literally coined the term conversion rate optimization. We talk about the origin of CRO, how Bryan helped companies like Google, Dell, and Disney generate hundreds of millions in revenue, and how local businesses can apply the same frameworks to dominate their markets.

We dig into Bryan’s “Five Rs” of SEO and authority, how to build brandable language that spreads, what Amazon’s four core pillars can teach service businesses, and why clarity is the ultimate competitive edge. Plus, Bryan shares his personal transformation story of losing 100 pounds and what it taught him about changing beliefs, building momentum, and being remarkable in business and life.

If you’re a local business owner or marketer trying to stand out in an AI-saturated world, this is the episode you don’t want to miss.

Bryan Eisenberg, Co-Founder of FutureNow:

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Twitter: https://x.com/thegrok

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Personal Site: https://www.bryaneisenberg.com/

Newest Book: https://a.co/d/6ESUddE

Danny Leibrandt, Founder of Pest Control SEO:

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Website: https://dannyleibrandt.com 

Pest Control SEO: https://pestcontrolseo.com/ 

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Podcast Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Bryan Eisenberg

04:58 Understanding Conversion Rate Optimization

08:13 Core Principles of Marketing

14:10 Be Like Amazon: The Four Pillars

20:57 Overcoming Overwhelm in Business

24:07 Transforming Personal Health and Business Beliefs

27:10 The Conversion Trinity

33:41 The Importance of Conversion Rate Optimization

40:36 The Role of Reputation in Search Algorithmsy

50:59 The Concept of Persuasion Architecture

56:33 Insights from Working with Big Companies

01:00:35 The Discrepancy in Customer Engagement

01:04:51 Final Thoughts on Clarity and Attention

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