Doug chats with Jen Smith, author & co-host of the Frugal Friends podcast.  Jen shares her journey of paying off $78,000 of debt, her no-spend challenge, value-based spending, addressing financial guilt, and the importance of community support.  She also introduces her new book, “Buy What You Love Without Going Broke” (co-authored by podcast partner Jill Sirianni) and discusses the book-writing process along with some of the challenges.

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0:00 Introduction

3:20 Jill’s background & debt payoff

8:30 Value-based spending

13:09 Buying back time

18:39 The four F’s

23:41 Spending time instead of money

27:33 Saving money on food & leftovers

35:58 Book writing process

41:54 Lessons from the book

50:46 Soundcheck – Cult of Dave Ramsey