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“Bodies are good, even when they are gross…”

CW: we talk about the shooting in Atlanta that occurred in March 2021

In this episode I talk to pastor Rebecca Anderson who serves as pastor in two Chicago churches, one who characterizes themselves as a "queer, storytelling bar church". In this setting Rebecca is able to live out both her theology and sex positivity. 

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Socials for Rebecca's Church in Chicago (Gilead): 
https://www.instagram.com/gileadchicago/?hl=en

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https://www.gileadchicago.org/

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In "Stripping Down Purity Culture Part 2" Karly, Mylie, and I wade deeper into the multi-faceted world that is purity culture. We talk about its racist and sexist components and offer several resources for those who are navigating "surviving" purity culture. 

CW: discussions of rape culture, the relationship between purity culture and racism

Resources: 

Nadia Bolz-Weber
https://nadiabolzweber.com/

1946--The Movie that explores the mistranslation in the Bible that introduced the word "homosexuality" into English translations. 
https://www.1946themovie.com/

Dirty Rotten Church Kids
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-rotten-church-kids/id1487820978

Hannah Witton's Podcast, Doing It! 
https://pod.link/doingit

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"The framing of sexual desire as a moral failing is one of the biggest disservices that the church has ever done to people." 

In this episode of the Called to be Bad Podcast I talk with Karly Poyner-Smith (she/her) and Mylie Brennan (she/her). Karly is a Ph.D. student and graduate instructer at the University of Memphis. Her research focuses on the intersections of gender, religion, and agency--examining evangelicalism, purity rhetoric, and contemporary purity culture. Mylie is a PhD researcher at Queen's University Belfast--amongst other topics, her research includes the lived experience of women in Northern Ireland and the rhetoric of Christian dating books for young women. 

Karly says she approaches the topic of purity culture more from a research standpoint, while Mylie says she can provide story and experience based commentary. 

In this episode we explore the vast, weird world of purity culture--what it is, what messaging we learned about it growing up in the church, and the many different ways it has impacted our faith and sexuality. 

Heads up--the content warning for this episode is extensive and heavy, due to the sensitive nature of this topic and all its implications

Content Warning: mentions of incest, suicidal ideation, eating disorders, sexual assault, marital rape

References: 
"Come as You Are: The Surprising New Science That Will Transform Your Sex Life" by Emily Nagoski 
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609341-come-as-you-are?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=T0snlFOmvG&rank=1

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“What am I reading here? Is God Safe?”

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We discuss honor based and sexual violence against women, particularly in the cultural context of Deuteronomy 22:13-29. 

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“Virgin: The Untouched History” by Hanne Blank--https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/225909.Virgin

“Come as you Are: The Surprising New Science that Will Transform Your Sex Life” by Emily Nagoski--https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609341-come-as-you-are?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=qlZIR25DjZ&rank=1

Posts about this passage on Christine's blog, Light in Grey Places:
 
Five things I'd explain to a teenager about Deuteronomy 22:13-21: https://www.workthegreymatter.com/five-things-explain-teenage-girl-deuteronomy-22-13-21/
 
How I used to interpret Deuteronomy 22:13-21, and how I explain it now (in fewer than 500 words): https://www.workthegreymatter.com/deuteronomy-22-13-21-explained-fewer-than-500-words/
 
Five things worth knowing about the woman in the city who ‘did not cry out’. On Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (and 25-27): https://www.workthegreymatter.com/five-things-woman-city-deuteronomy-22-23-24/
 
Let’s talk about that Deuteronomy 22 law where a girl marries her rapist. Because it’s not about marriage or sex. https://www.workthegreymatter.com/deuteronomy-22-law-girl-marries-rapist-not-about-marriage-or-sex/
 
Posts about this passage that Christine wrote for CBE International:
 
Proving my virginity: Deuteronomy, Pap Smears, and the Hymen Myth: https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/mutuality-blog-magazine/proving-my-virginity-deuteronomy-pap-smears-and-hymen-myth
 
The Apostle Paul's Prodigal Daughter: https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/mutuality-blog-magazine/apostle-pauls-prodigal-daughter
 
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Website: Light in Grey Places  www.workthegreymatter.com
Twitter: @hope4greyplaces  https://twitter.com/hope4greyplaces
Facebook: Light in Grey Places  https://www.facebook.com/workthegreymatter
Instagram: @hope4greyplaces  https://www.instagram.com/hope4greyplaces/
 
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Website: Faith in Grey Places https://faith.workthegreymatter.com
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"Yeah I am not a good Indian, good Indians accompany the settlers and show them, 'Hey, we can help you, here's a deer.'" That's a good Indian. And I'm not that. The bad Indian is somebody who is like, 'Hey why don't you join with us and work for justice?'" 

Sarah Augustine is a Pueblo Tewa descendant, she is the founder and co-chair of the Coalition to Dismantle the Doctrine of Discovery, and the author of the book, "The Land is Not Empty: Following Jesus and Dismantling the Doctrine of Discovery." 

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Coalition to Dismantle the Doctrine of Discovery: 
https://dofdmenno.org/

Dismantling the Doctrine of Discovery Podcast 
https://anabaptistworld.org/podcast-latest/dismantling-the-doctrine-of-discovery-podcast/

“The Land is Not Empty”
https://www.mennomedia.org/9781513808291/the-land-is-not-empty/
 


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In the second part of "What the Hell" Joey Trieb and I talk about what a deconstructed or more "biblical" view of Hell could look like. We discuss questions like, "does Hell exist within God?" and what Joey would say if people called him a bad Christian for his views on Hell. Don't miss the final part to this series! 

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“Being freed from this fearful, punitive, penalizing God…and embracing Jesus as goodness itself, it honestly made Christianity worthwhile again. It kept me from deconstructing clear out of faith.”

In part one of this episode of Called to be Bad I talk to tiktok sensation and fellow podcaster Joey Trieb about how he has deconstructed from the evangelical view of Hell he was taught for most of his life. Now, as an “exvangelical” he is re-learning a more biblical view of Hell that aligns with his view of God as reconciling and loving. 

We start by talking about different views of Hell, then we go into the specific words in the Bible that are translated as “Hell”. We also talk about how we get some aspects of our concept of Hell from the Bible (sometimes inaccurately) but how we get most of our concept of Hell and Satan from extrabiblical sources. 
Don’t miss this episode, it is one hell of a ride. 

Resources: 

Joey Treib’s socials: 
Tiktok—
https://www.tiktok.com/@joeytrieb?lang=en
Youtube Channel/Podcast—
https://www.youtube.com/c/AllThingsReconsidered

Books Mentioned: 

“Surprised By Hope” by N.T. Wright 
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2319645.Surprised_by_Hope?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=K9xaTcdUpO&rank=1

“That All Shall Be Saved: Heaven, Hell, and Universal Salvation” by David Bently Hart
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44174516-that-all-shall-be-saved?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=MuHHulckXE&rank=1

“Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God: The Scandalous Truth of the Very Good News” by Brian Zahnd
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33163181-sinners-in-the-hands-of-a-loving-god?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=D6hdxysIG0&rank=1

“Love Wins” by Rob Bell
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40721873-love-wins?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=SOsCBmcjTm&rank=1

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“And I truly believe that if most of the church were to go up in flames right now, Jesus himself would dance on the ashes.” 

In episode eight of the Called to be Bad Podcast, Ian McPherson (he/they) and I talk about how the church is dying—and why that may be a good thing. We dig into discussions of how the church wields power, the harm the church needs to repent of, and ways the church could resurrect anew (just in time for Easter!). 

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I believe the “organization” I mention is actually a hashtag: #LEAVELOUD

Here is an example article: https://thewitnessbcc.com/leave-loud-jemar-tisbys-story/

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“If it means to be a bad pastor to care about ableism or purity culture or race in the church, or any of these things that are taboo in the church then I want to be a bad pastor. I would even go as far as to say, don’t you mean badass pastor?”

In episode seven of the Called to be Bad Podcast I talk with Indiana Michigan Mennonite Conference--conference pastor--(and former congregational/campus pastor) Joanne Gallardo. 

We explore the ways the church builds barriers that generate ableism and block accessibility. How can we dismantle our own ableism so that our faith and faith communities can become expansive, welcoming, and celebratory of all types of people?

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Sojourners Magazine Articles on Ableism

https://sojo.net/search/site/ableism

Unitarian Universalist Information on Accessibility: 

https://www.uua.org/accessibility

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 “I would say that listening to profane pop music enables pastoral care…this is holy work.”

Welcome to Called to be Bad episode six! Get your headphones ready to listen to Isaac Villegas and I talk about "bad" or profane pop music. Isaac is a writer, pastor, and prodigious curator of music playlists. In this episode we cover why some music is labeled as "bad" and how to navigate the boundaries of purity and danger. 

 Our "bad music playlists:

Isaac's Playlist:
https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/2021-best-songs/pl.u-55D66JVs2E95E

My Playlist (with a bit of a caveat):

This playlist is a curation of all the music I may have considered "bad" at one time or another or the  give me that "bad" vibe. Some of the songs are truly inappropriate/profanc/probably offensive. Some of the songs are not. If you do not like "bad" music, you will not like this playlist. This is just for fun. 

This playlist is not a reflection of my theology, values, feminism, or belief systems.
Okay caveat over. (I don't want to be fired OKAY). 

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/77mFUqxEYg8MZ6hdbSpmeN?si=94e6f74d9fa24cf0



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"Purity and Danger" by Mary Douglas

"Unclean" by Richard Beck

"Jesus and the Forces of Death" by Matthew Thiessen

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