Nate Erskine-Smith is one of those rare members of parliament. He considers himself a loyal Liberal. But he will vote against his party when he thinks the leadership is wrong. That's ensured two things: first, he'll never be in Justin Trudeau's cabinet, and second, he gets a lotta props from people who aren't necessarily Liberals. In any event, it's prompted Erskine-Smith to take a look at the vacant Ontario Liberal leadership post and in fact, he was the first candidate to toss his hat into the ring. He talks to Steve Paikin about his plans.

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