As COP 27 gets underway Justin is joined by Christian climate campaigner Rachel Mander and Humanist activist Lori Marriott. They agree on the science and what needs to be done but have different views about which worldview provides the better moral foundation for the work of climate change action.

For Rachel Mander: https://arocha.org/en/about/people/rachel-mander/

For Lori Marriott: https://humanists.uk/humanist-climate-action/

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