This is Dr. Hughes second appearance on the podcast. His background is in biochemistry and biophysics of protein folding, and water hydration structures. But today we're digging under the floorboards of science itself. Is it possible to have a science that isn't built on some set of assumed values? To tackle this issue, we dig into esoteric mysticism - particularly the work of Rudolph Steiner, who prophesized many of the features of the world we see today back in the late 19th century. This leads us to a path where we explore the modern scientific approach to understanding nature, grounded in materialism in all its splendor and shortcomings, asking where do we go from here? What does a healthy science of the future actually look like? Tell us your thoughts in the comments!