Identify the gifts in your struggles to help you lead through chaos: That's the message of Bobby Herrera, co-founder and CEO of Populus Group, one of the fastest growing HR Services companies in the US.

No stranger to struggle, Bobby is one of 13 children and his family immigrated from Mexico to the US in the 60s with little to their name.

He shares his powerful stories of struggle and how what he has learn has helped him lead his company through four recessions.

And he also talks about the current struggle - including how he leads through VUCA (volatility, uncertainty, complexity and ambiguity).

Then self-professed introvert and author of Quietly Powerful, Megumi Miki, turns the microphone on extreme extrovert, Lisa Leong to hear how she is coping with working in ISO. And it's not been pretty.