The US Constitution seems to be clear, but that hasn’t stopped President Trump and his allies from dangling the possibility that Trump won’t vacate the office in 2029. Is this just media trolling, or is there actually an argument to be made here? We asked a constitutional expert for the answer.

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Guests:

• Will Pavia, New York Correspondent, The Times.
• Suzanna Sherry, Herman O. Loewenstein Chair in Law Emerita, Vanderbilt University

Host: Luke Jones.

Producer: Taryn Siegel.

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