Who is Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma? It was beginning to answer that simple question about the political leader that led to Carien du Plessis penning her latest offering, 'Woman in the Wings'. The book tracks Dlamini-Zuma's life and career, paying careful attention to her early years, education and involvement in the struggle, her role as a cabinet minister under all four presidents of democratic South Africa, and her achievements as AU Commission chairperson. Gareth chats to her about the book that also considers her feminism and political philosophy, tracks her presidential ambitions and campaigning, and explores how her personal relationship with one of her most important backers, President Jacob Zuma, has influenced her.