Erika and Steven first dig into the intricacies of being in business with friends (0:30). Then, Erika is joined by Charles Holmes to dive into the fractious but beautiful friendship and artistic alignment that tenuously hold the business partnership between Carmy and Sydney together (17:00).

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Hosts: Erika Ramirez and Steven Othello

Guest: Charles Holmes

Producer: Sasha Ashall

Theme Music: Devon Renaldo

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