What do Richard Nixon, Thomas Paine, and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. have in common? All of them pushed for guaranteed income programs, where the government would just give people money on a regular basis. So that idea has been around for a long time. But it's now being tested and adopted in cities all over the country — with the prospect that AI-driven automation will force humans to find new ways to learn a living. Today's guest, Jill Shah, helped lead and fund what was, at the time, the country’s largest guaranteed income pilot: 2,000 families in Chelsea, Mass., just north of Boston. So how did it work out? Email us at [email protected].

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