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In this episode, we have host Dave Holmes and International Waters writer Riley Silverman dishing on what makes a good IW guest, versus a... not-good one. Plus, the Jimmy Pardo of it all.

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Edited by Christian Dueñas and Produced by Laura Swisher and Hannah Muroz for Maximum Fun.

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