Catalyst with Shayle Kann

Catalyst with Shayle Kann

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  • Decarbonizing the high seas

    While aviation may be converging on one main pathway to decarbonization — sustainable aviation fuel — maritime shipping may require a more diverse set of solutions: a portfolio of fuels, energy efficiency, and on-board carbon capture and storage.

    But each technology has operational and capital challenges. So what will it take to scale them up?

    In this episode, Shayle talks to Dr. Lynn Loo, CEO of the Global Centre for Maritime Decarbonisation. Ocean-going shipping consumes about 300 million tons of fuel per year, accounting for 3% of global emissions. But with significant regulatory pressure from bodies like the International Maritime Organization, shipping companies are exploring a range of options. Shayle and Lynn cover topics like:

    • Conventional fuels, like heavy fuel oil and marine gas oil
    • The inadvertent climate impact of cutting sulfur emissions
    • The pros and cons of lower-carbon fuels, like LNG, biofuels, methanol, and ammonia
    • The challenges for infrastructure and operations, especially involving the low volumetric energy density of new fuels 
    • On-board carbon capture and storage
    • How energy efficiency reduces the impact of low volumetric energy density

    • Recommended resources

      International Maritime Organization: Fourth Greenhouse Gas Study 2020

      Catalyst: Heavy duty decarbonization

      Catalyst: Putting a halt to geoengineering — by accident


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      43 min
    • Going deep on next-gen geothermal

      Investment is on the rise in geothermal, where advances in drilling techniques are driving down the cost of generation right as the grid needs more clean, firm, dispatchable power to meet rising load growth. And enhanced-geothermal startup Fervo is leading the pack of entrants, signing agreements to provide power to Southern California Edison and Google. 

      So how ready are these next-generation geothermal technologies to scale?

      In this episode, Shayle talks to Dr. Roland Horne, professor of earth sciences at Stanford, where he leads the university’s geothermal program. Shayle and Roland cover topics like:

      • Geothermal’s historical challenges of limited geography and high up-front costs
      • Three pathways of next-generation geothermal: enhanced, closed-loop, and super-deep (also known as super-critical)
      • Knowledge transfer from the oil and gas industry
      • Advances in drilling technology that cut across multiple pathways 

      • Recommended resources

        U.S. Department of Energy: Pathways to Commercial Liftoff: Next-Generation Geothermal Power

        Latitude Media: Fervo eyes project-level finance as it plans for geothermal at scale

        Make sure to listen to our new podcast, Political Climate – an insider’s view on the most pressing policy questions in energy and climate. Tune in every other Friday for the latest takes from hosts Julia Pyper, Emily Domenech, and Brandon Hurlbut. Available on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

        Be sure to also check out Living Planet, a weekly show from Deutsche Welle that brings you the stories, facts, and debates on the key environmental issues affecting our planet. Tune in to Living Planet every Friday on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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        37 min
      • Demystifying the Chinese EV market

        New electric vehicles — including both battery electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles — make up nearly half of new car sales in China. Compared to slowing EV sales in Europe and the U.S. the Chinese market is booming. 

        So what’s going on?

        In this episode, Shayle talks to TP Huang, who writes a Substack about EVs, clean energy, and other tech focused on China. (Editor's note: TP Huang is a pseudonym, used for family reasons.) Shayle and TP cover topics like:

        • How EVs became extremely cost competitive with internal combustion engines in China where EV prices dip as low as $10,000 USD
        • Chinese consumer preferences for vehicles packed with features ranging from voice commands to fridges
        • The ubiquity and interoperability of fast charging, plus battery swapping
        • The rapid pace of electrification in heavy-duty trucking 
        • Chinese exports to Europe, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere (although not the U.S.)

        • Recommended Resources:

          TP Huang: What's going in the Chinese automotive market

          CNN: A brutal elimination round is reshaping the world’s biggest market for electric cars

          Bloomberg: Why Europe Is Raising Tariffs on China’s Cheap EVs

          Make sure to listen to our new podcast, Political Climate – an insider’s view on the most pressing policy questions in energy and climate. Tune in every other Friday for the latest takes from hosts Julia Pyper, Emily Domenech, and Brandon Hurlbut. Available on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

          Be sure to also check out Living Planet, a weekly show from Deutsche Welle that brings you the stories, facts, and debates on the key environmental issues affecting our planet. Tune in to Living Planet every Friday on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

          37 min
        • Under the hood of data center power demand

          Driven by the AI boom, data centers’ energy demand could account for 9% of U.S. power generation by 2030, according to the Electric Power Research Institute. That's more than double current usage.

          So how do we meet that demand? And what impacts will it have on the grid and decarbonization?

          In this episode, Shayle talks to Brian Janous, former vice president of energy at Microsoft and current co-founder of Cloverleaf Infrastructure. Brian talks through the options for meeting data center demand, including shaping computational loads to avoid system peaks and deploying grid-enhancing technologies. He and Shayle also cover topics like:

          • Why AI-driven demand will be big, even with “zombie requests” in the interconnection queue
          • How hyperscalers are “coming to grips” with the reality that they may not hit decarbonization targets as quickly as planned
          • Why Brian thinks efficiency improvement alone “isn’t going to save us” from rising load growth
          • Why Brian argues that taking data centers off-grid is not a solution 
          • Options for shaping data center load, such as load shifting, microgrids, and behind-the-meter generation
          • How hyperscalers could speed up interconnection by shaping computational loads

          • Recommended Resources:


            Electric Power Research Institute: Powering Intelligence: Analyzing Artificial Intelligence and Data Center Energy Consumption

            The Carbon Copy: New demand is straining the grid. Here’s how to tackle it.

            Federal Regulatory Energy Commission: Report | 2024 Summer Energy Market and Electric Reliability Assessment


            Make sure to listen to our new podcast, Political Climate – an insider’s view on the most pressing policy questions in energy and climate. Tune in every other Friday for the latest takes from hosts Julia Pyper, Emily Domenech, and Brandon Hurlbut. Available on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

            Be sure to also check out Living Planet, a weekly show from Deutsche Welle that brings you the stories, facts, and debates on the key environmental issues affecting our planet. Tune in to Living Planet every Friday on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

            43 min
          • Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan

            Tesla’s Master Plan Part 3 lays out the company’s model for a decarbonized economy — and makes the case for why it's economically viable. It outlines a vision for extensive electrification and a reliance on wind and solar power. 

            In this episode, Shayle talks to one of the executives behind the plan, Drew Baglino, who was senior vice president for powertrain and energy at Tesla until April when he resigned. In his 18 years at Tesla he worked on batteries, cars, and even Tesla’s lithium refinery. Shayle and Drew cover topics like:

            • Why Drew isn't sure that AI-driven load growth “is going to be as dramatic as people think”
            • Drew’s optimism about the U.S.’ ability to build out enough transmission for decarbonization
            • How to deal with the high rates of curtailment and what to do with that excess power
            • Meeting the material requirements of decarbonization and Drew’s experience with permitting Tesla facilities 

            • Recommended Resources:

              Tesla: Master Plan Part 3

              CNBC: Tesla execs Drew Baglino and Rohan Patel depart as company announces steep layoffs

              The Carbon Copy: AI's main constraint: Energy, not chips

              Catalyst: Understanding the transmission bottleneck


              Utility rates could make or break the energy transition – so how do we do it right? On June 13, Latitude Media and GridX are hosting a Frontier Forum to examine the importance of good rate design and the consequences of getting it wrong. Register here.

              And make sure to listen to our new podcast, Political Climate – an insider’s view on the most pressing policy questions in energy and climate. Tune in every other Friday for the latest takes from hosts Julia Pyper, Emily Domenech, and Brandon Hurlbut. Available on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.


              1 hr 3 min
            • Heavy duty decarbonization

              Batteries are making their way into more passenger cars and commercial vehicles than ever before, but the limits of electrification mean that we’ll likely need alternative fuels to decarbonize heavy transport like ships, planes, and trucks. 

              So what are those fuels and what modes of transport do they suit best?

              In this episode, Shayle talks to his colleague Andy Lubershane, partner and head of research at Energy Impact Partners. They talk through the limits of electrification and the alternatives for decarbonizing trucks, ships, and planes, drawing on Andy’s recent blog post, “How will we move the big, heavy things?”. They cover topics like:

              • The main limitations of batteries: density and infrastructure
              • Volumetric and gravimetric density, and why they matter for different types of vehicles
              • How fossil fuels would beat out even a theoretical “uber-battery” multiple times denser than current batteries
              • Why upgrading “always-on” grid infrastructure can be lengthy, expensive, and disruptive 
              • The alternatives to electrification: biofuels, hydrogen, and e-fuels
              • The advantages and limitations of each for different modes of transport

              • Recommended Resources:

                Port of Long Beach: Our Zero Emissions Future

                Enterprise Mobility: Electrifying Airport Ecosystems by 2050 Could Require Nearly Five Times the Electric Power Currently Used

                Catalyst: Understanding SAF buyers


                Utility rates could make or break the energy transition – so how do we do it right? On June 13th, Latitude Media and GridX are hosting a Frontier Forum to examine the imperative of good rate design, and the consequences of getting it wrong. Register here.

                And make sure to listen to our new podcast, Political Climate – an insider’s view on the most pressing policy questions in energy and climate. Tune in every other Friday for the latest takes from hosts Julia Pyper, Emily Domenech, and Brandon Hurlbut. Available on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

                40 min
              • With Great Power: Why dynamic rates are gaining momentum

                This week, we’re featuring a crossover episode of With Great Power, a show produced by Latitude Studios in partnership with GridX. Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get podcasts.

                Ahmad Faruqui has been researching electricity pricing since the mid 1970’s, when the cost of a kilowatt-hour was flat. But in the 80’s and 90’s, he started working on dynamic pricing – pioneering the concept of time-of-use rates.

                The big breakthrough for time-of-use rates came during the fallout from the California energy crisis. Later, thanks to the rollout of smart meters, more power providers started experimenting with dynamic rates.

                Now, new technology is making time-of-use rate design more transparent. This week, Ahmad talks with Brad about why dynamic pricing is gaining momentum among electric utilities – and what makes for good rate design. 

                On June 13th, Latitude Media and GridX will host a Frontier Forum to examine the imperative of good rate design – and the consequences of getting it wrong. Register at the link in the show notes, or go to latitudemdia.com/events. See you there!

                25 min
              • Could VPPs save rooftop solar?

                The U.S. rooftop solar market has tanked. Residential applications in California, the largest market in the country, plunged 82% from May through November 2023 compared to the same period in 2022. Contractors are going bankrupt. The big culprits are high interest rates and California’s subsidy cuts. But there are some bright spots. Battery attachment rates in California have surged.

                So what will it take to revive the U.S. rooftop solar market?

                In this episode, Shayle talks to Jigar Shah, director of the Loans Programs Office at the U.S. Department of Energy. Jigar argues that the rooftop solar industry should reinvent itself, relying on batteries and virtual power plants (VPPs). He also argues that regulations should focus on system-level dispatchability. 

                Shayle and Jigar cover topics like:

                • The pros and cons of California’s latest regulations, new energy metering or NEM 3.0
                • Learning from the mistakes of California’s Self-Generation Incentive Program (S-GIP)
                • The role of VPPs and rooftop solar in meeting accelerating load growth
                • Incentivizing system-level dispatchability 
                • How VPPs complicate the sales pitch for rooftop solar
                • How VPPs could help utilities increase the utilization of infrastructure
                • How to make VPPs more reliable

                • Recommended Resources:

                  U.S. Department of Energy: Virtual Power Plants Commercial Liftoff

                  Latitude Media: Defining the rules of DER aggregation

                  Latitude Media: Unpacking the software layer of VPP deployment

                  CalMatters: What’s happened since California cut home solar payments? Demand has plunged 80% 

                  The Wall Street Journal: The Home-Solar Boom Gets a ‘Gut Punch’


                  Catalyst is supported by Origami Solar. Join Latitude Media’s Stephen Lacey and Origami’s CEO Gregg Patterson for a live Frontier Forum on May 30th at 1 pm Eastern to discuss Origami’s new research on how recycled steel can help reinvigorate the U.S. solar industry. Register for free on Latitude’s events page.

                  42 min
                • Understanding SAF buyers

                  Airlines are lining up to buy as much sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) as they can, despite it costing two to three times more than conventional jet fuel, according to BloombergNEF. United Airlines has secured 2.9 billion gallons of SAF over, and others like Delta, Air France-KLM, and Southwest have secured around 1 billion gallons each. And yet to meaningfully decarbonize aviation, the SAF market needs to grow thousands of times larger than it is today. BloombergNEF estimates that global production capacity will grow 10-fold by 2030, but by then supply will still only meet 5% of jet fuel demand.

                  So how are airlines thinking about scaling up their procurement of SAF?

                  In this episode, Shayle talks to Amelia DeLuca, chief sustainability officer at Delta. They cover topics like:

                  • Who pays the green premium
                  • Infrastructure considerations, like SAF hubs and blending
                  • Technical pathways, like hydroprocessing, alcohol-to-jet, and power-to-liquids
                  • The role of incentives and regulation, like ReFuelEU
                  • Why airlines should procure SAF instead of buying carbon removal

                  • Recommended Resources:

                    BloombergNEF: United Airlines Is Betting Big on a Pricey Green Aviation Fuel

                    The Verge: Delta Air Lines lays out its plan to leave fossil fuels behind 

                    Canary Media: Can corn ethanol really help decarbonize US air travel?

                    Canary Media: How hydrogen ​‘e-fuels’ can power big ships and planes

                    Catalyst: CO2 utilization


                    Catalyst is supported by Origami Solar. Join Latitude Media’s Stephen Lacey and Origami’s CEO Gregg Patterson for a live Frontier Forum on May 30th at 1 pm Eastern to discuss Origami’s new research on how recycled steel can help reinvigorate the U.S. solar industry. Register for free on Latitude’s events page.

                    30 min
                  • The news quiz episode!

                    This week, we have something a little different: a news quiz. 

                    We recently took the stage with four investors at the Prelude Climate Summit — armed with a bell, a buzzer, and four different categories of questions. We tested two teams of venture investors on their knowledge of the most recent industry news.

                    Shayle Kann and Cassie Bowe, partners at venture firm Energy Impact Partners, are team High Voltage. 

                    Dr. Carley Anderson, principal at venture firm Prelude Ventures, and Matt Eggers, Prelude’s manager director, are team Shayle Gassed. (Prelude led fundraising for Latitude Media.)

                    Stephen Lacey, executive editor of this show and host of The Carbon Copy, quizzes the teams on the latest in climate tech news.

                    Which team will come out on top?

                    Catalyst is supported by Origami Solar. Join Latitude Media’s Stephen Lacey and Origami’s CEO Gregg Patterson for a live Frontier Forum on May 30th at 1 pm Eastern to discuss Origami’s new research on how recycled steel can help reinvigorate the U.S. solar industry. Register for free on Latitude’s events page.

                    47 min

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