Catalyst with Shayle Kann

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  • Climate tech startups need strong techno-economic analysis (TEA)

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    This might be our wonkiest topic yet: Techno-economic analysis, or TEA. 

    Before a startup has proven that its technology is commercially viable, it models how its technology would work. These TEAs include things like assumptions about inputs, prices, and market landscape. They help investors and entrepreneurs answer the question, will this technology compete?

    TEAs are important to the success of an early-stage climate-tech company. And a lot of startups get them wrong. As an investor at Energy Impact Partners (EIP), Shayle and his team see a lot of TEAs—and have some pet peeves.

    What can startups do to improve their TEAs?

    In this episode, Shayle talks to his colleagues Dr. Greg Thiel, EIP’s director of technology, and Dr. Melissa Ball, EIP’s associate director of technology. They cover topics like:

    • Bad assumptions about things like levelized cost of production 
    • Focusing on a component instead of a system
    • Focusing on unhelpful metrics
    • Using false precision—something Shayle calls “modeling theater”

    • Recommended Resources:

      • Activate: Techonomics: Establishing best practices in early stage technology modeling
      • Department of Energy: Techno-economic, Energy, & Carbon Heuristic Tool for Early-Stage Technologies (TECHTEST) Tool
      • National Renewable Energy Laboratory: Techno-Economic Analysis


        Sign up for Latitude Media’s Frontier Forum on January 29, featuring Crux CEO Alfred Johnson, who will break down the budding market for clean energy tax credits. We’ll dissect current transactions and pricing, compare buyer and seller expectations, and look at where the market is headed in 2024.

        49 min
      • Reviving the stagnant plant based meat market

        It was 2020 and plant-based meats were hot. Sales were up 45% that year and expectations were high. The industry set its sights on performing as well as plant-based beverages, which had reached about a 15% dollar share of the U.S. cow-based milk market at the time. In the $300 billion U.S. meat market, a 15% share would be a massive $45 billion prize.

        But then, starting in 2021, plant-based meats hit a wall. U.S. sales began three consecutive years of declines. Headlines described plant-based meats as “bleeding” and “just another fad”.

        So what happened?

        In this episode, Shayle talks to John Baumgartner, managing director of equity research for food and healthy living at Mizuho Securities. He explains the major factors that led to the decline—and why he’s still bullish on the long-term growth of the industry. They cover topics like:

        • Why the plant-based beverage category is so different from plant-based meats
        • Major factors in sales, including the Covid-19 bounce, flatlining household penetration, and inflation
        • The under-no-circumstances crowd that will not consider plant-based meats
        • Positive indicators for growth potential from other markets, such as Taiwan and western Europe
        • Improvements in taste, mouthfeel, health, and price that could reinvigorate the industry

        • Recommended Resources:

          • Mizuho Securities: Plant-Based Food Market Overview & Outlook
          • Good Food Institute: 2023 outlook: The state of the plant-based meat category
          • Deloitte: Plant-based meat gets a reality check


            Sign up for Latitude Media’s Frontier Forum on January 29, featuring Crux CEO Alfred Johnson, who will break down the budding market for clean energy tax credits. We’ll dissect current transactions and pricing, compare buyer and seller expectations, and look at where the market is headed in 2024.

            40 min
          • Fixing interconnection

            Everything's bigger in Texas—the hats, the boots, the convenience stores. But its interconnection times? They’re surprisingly short.

            In the U.S. it takes power generators four years on average to get approval to connect to the grid, and in some places, it takes far longer. In the Texas electricity market, it takes only about 1.5 years between interconnection request and agreement. And it costs way less to interconnect, too. 

            The results are telling. The Texas grid, operated by the Electricity Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, has installed more wind power than any other state—40+ gigawatts worth. It’s also installed 19 gigawatts of solar power, second only to California. ERCOT has interconnected two times more generation than PJM, an electricity market in the Mid-Atlantic, even though PJM is two times larger than ERCOT in terms of peak load. 

            So what does Texas know about interconnection that the rest of the U.S. doesn’t? And how could other states learn from Texas? 

            In this episode, Shayle talks to Tyler Norris, PhD student at Duke University’s Nicholas School of the Environment and former vice president of development at Cypress Creek Renewables. Tyler recently published a policy brief on how the U.S. could reform its interconnection process, applying lessons from ERCOT.

            They cover topics like:

            • Why FERC’s system impact studies lead to long delays and high costs
            • ERCOT’s shorter and lower-cost process, called “connect-and-manage”

            • Recommended Resources:

              • Duke Nicholas Institute: Beyond FERC Order 2023: Considerations on Deep Interconnection Reform
              • Catalyst: Understanding the transmission bottleneck
              • FERC: E-1: Commissioner Clements Concurrence on Order No. 2023: Improvements to Generator Interconnection Procedures and Agreements
              • Brattle Group: Generation Interconnection and Transmission Planning


                Sign up for Latitude Media’s Frontier Forum on January 29, featuring Crux CEO Alfred Johnson, who will break down the budding market for clean energy tax credits. We’ll dissect current transactions and pricing, compare buyer and seller expectations, and look at where the market is headed in 2024.

                42 min
              • Stopping geoengineering, by accident

                Solar geoengineering is a hot (er, cool?) topic these days. One method involves injecting a form of sulfur into the atmosphere to reflect solar radiation and help reduce global temperatures. But it could also cause unpredictable changes to ozone, rainfall, and ecosystems. So when a rogue startup began sending balloons of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere earlier this year, it sparked outrage.

                But here’s the thing: We’ve been geoengineering our atmosphere for decades, just not intentionally. Scientists have long known that sulfur dioxide emissions from maritime shipping have a cooling effect on the atmosphere. They brighten clouds and reflect more solar radiation. We’ve also known that sulfur dioxide is a toxic air pollutant that causes tens of thousands of premature deaths per year. 

                So in 2020 when the International Maritime Organization, which regulates shipping, required ships to drastically cut their sulfur dioxide emissions, it reduced air pollution. But it also accidentally warmed the surface of the oceans.

                So how big of a deal is this?

                In this episode, Shayle talks to Dr. Dan Visioni, climate scientist and assistant professor at Cornell University’s Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences. They cover topics like:

                • The mechanism behind marine cloud brightening and how it differs from stratospheric sulfate injection
                • Why the warming effect was so strong in the North Atlantic in particular
                • What we still don’t understand about the impact on global mean temperatures and regional weather, like heat waves and hurricanes  
                • What this accidental experiment tells us about how someone could conduct a deliberate geoengineering experiment

                • Recommended Resources:

                  • Analysis: How low-sulphur shipping rules are affecting global warming
                  • Atmospheric Chemistry & Physics: Climate and air quality trade-offs in altering ship fuel sulfur content

                  • Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                    Are you looking to understand how artificial intelligence will shape the business of energy? Come network with utilities, top energy firms, startups, and AI experts at Transition-AI: New York on October 19. Our listeners get a 10% discount with the code pspods10.

                    Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                    Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com. 

                    46 min
                  • The food-energy nexus

                    Last time we talked to Dr. Michael Webber, we dug into the nexus between water and energy. This episode we’re diving into food. The connections are myriad.

                    Food itself is just a means of energy storage, and a particularly good one at that. While photosynthesis is remarkably inefficient—averaging only 0.3% globally, compared to 90% or more in an electric motor—it stores energy for weeks to years.

                    In the U.S. we use around 12% of our energy to produce food, in the form of inputs like diesel, fertilizer, and electricity. Meanwhile, the food system itself provides fuel to the rest of the energy system, through ethanol and other forms of bioenergy.

                    So how do all these things fit together? 

                    In this episode, Shayle talks to Dr. Webber, professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Texas–Austin, and chief technology officer at Energy Impact Partners, where Shayle is a partner. They cover topics like:

                    • The Green revolution, which added more energy to food production, improving yields while reducing the amount of people required
                    • The categories of energy consumption, such as fertilizers, on-site fuel, transportation, the cold chain and cooking
                    • Food waste, which in the U.S. reaches about 30 - 50% of edible food
                    • Why buying local is not necessarily good for the environment
                    • Why we should not use food for fuel, unless it’s waste by-products from food production
                    • How climate change affects the food system, for example by reducing the efficiency of photosynthesis and requiring more refrigeration to reduce spoilage
                    • The viability of indoor agriculture

                    • Recommended Resources:

                      • Climavores: Bursting the ‘eat local’ bubble
                      • Catalyst: The 3 pathways to alternative proteins
                      • Catalyst: From biowaste to ​‘biogold’
                      • Catalyst: How well does soil actually store carbon?


                        Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                        Are you looking to understand how artificial intelligence will shape the business of energy? Come network with utilities, top energy firms, startups, and AI experts at Transition-AI: New York on October 19. Our listeners get a 10% discount with the code pspods10.

                        Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                        Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com.

                        39 min
                      • Can the V2X dream become reality?

                        Here’s the dream: Millions of EVs plugged into their charging docks, working in concert to relieve stress on the world’s power grids. They reduce charging load or even inject energy back onto the grid. They back up renewables when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun doesn’t shine. 

                        That’s the vision for managed charging, or V1G, and vehicle-to-grid, or V2G. There’s also a third technology called vehicle-to-home that allows an EV battery to power a building, just like a home battery. Collectively these technologies are called V2X.

                        There’s reason to think this V2X dream could become a reality. They’re already happening at small scales. And when they reach larger scales, the cumulative impact could be big. A recent Nature study found that by 2030 the total battery capacity across the world’s mobile batteries could be more than two terawatt hours, climbing to more than 30 terawatt hours by 2050.

                        But first, these technologies need to overcome some big barriers—costly grid upgrades, degrading batteries, drivers worried about being left without a charge—just to name a few. 

                        So what will V2X actually look like?

                        In this episode, Shayle talks to Ty Jagerson, leader of V2X at GM. They cover topics like:

                        • The contracts GM is signing with customers to manage their charging
                        • Reassuring EV owners that managed charging is not going to leave them without a charge
                        • What kind of compensation EV owners could get for V2G and whether the value to companies will be worth the costs
                        • The carrots and sticks of V2G: compensation and time-of-use charges
                        • Whether V2G will be more valuable for capacity or energy markets
                        • Whether V2G will degrade batteries and violate manufacturer warranties

                        • Recommended Resources:

                          • Canary Media: Is ​‘vehicle-to-everything’ charging ready for prime time?
                          • Union of Concerned Scientists: EVs Can Support Power Grid Reliability and Reduce Costs. Here’s How.
                          • Catalyst: Will charging infrastructure be a bottleneck for electric vehicles?


                            Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                            Are you looking to understand how artificial intelligence will shape the business of energy? Come network with utilities, top energy firms, startups, and AI experts at Transition-AI: New York on October 19. Our listeners get a 10% discount with the code pspods10.

                            Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                            Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com.

                            38 min
                          • Seeking the holy grail of batteries (Rerun)

                            If there were a holy grail of electric vehicle batteries, it would be low-weight, long-range, and fast-charging. It would last a million miles and cost less than anything produced today.

                            So in the booming EV battery market, what kind of battery will check all those boxes? Who will invent it? And do we really need all those features in one battery in the first place?

                            In this episode, Shayle talks to Sam Jaffe, vice president of battery solutions at E-Source. They trace the history of the two major competing lithium-ion chemistries: Lithium Iron (or ferrous) Phosphate (LFP) and Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC).

                            Sam and Shayle also discuss the factors that shaped this competition, like China, Tesla, and access to capital. They discuss new partnerships between battery manufacturers and automakers, including LG and GM, Samsung SDI and Stellantis, ACC and Mercedes


                            And they cover questions like:

                            • Who decides which chemistries to develop — automakers or battery part manufacturers? 
                            • Will a small number of chemistries dominate or will there be a rapid diversification of battery chemistries to meet different needs?
                            • Is fast charging a nice-to-have or need-to-have?
                            • Will the rising costs of battery materials, especially lithium, slow the adoption of EVs? 

                            • Plus, Sam explains why he is no longer bearish on vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging.

                              Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                              Are you looking to understand how artificial intelligence will shape the business of energy? Come network with utilities, top energy firms, startups, and AI experts at Transition-AI: New York on October 19. Our listeners get a 10% discount with the code pspods10.

                              Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                              Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com.

                              56 min
                            • Navigating the electricity gauntlet

                              Electrification should be a field day for utilities. As we electrify the economy, adding gigafactories, charging stations, and green hydrogen hubs to the grid, the demand for power is growing for the first time in decades. For savvy utilities, there’s a lot of money to be made. But only if they can keep up. 

                              Utilities face massive challenges to deliver the power needed for electrification – years-long interconnection queues, a shortage of transformers, an uncertain regulatory environment—the list goes on. It’s the electrification gauntlet. 

                              Can utilities make it through? 

                              In this episode, Shayle talks to his colleague Andy Lubershane, partner and head of research at Energy Impact Partners. 

                              They cover topics like:

                              • Why power demand flatlined over the past twenty years—and what’s changing now
                              • Big industrial loads like data centers that face delays because utilities aren’t able to deliver enough power 
                              • The differences between big industrial load growth, like green hydrogen hubs, and distributed load growth, like heat pumps.
                              • The current EPA’s proposed power plant regulations, which might require carbon capture and storage
                              • The shortage of electrical transformers 
                              • Why microgrids might become even more valuable as utilities struggle to deliver power

                              • Recommended Resources:

                                • Reuters: Global power demand growth to rebound in 2024 after slowdown, IEA says
                                • Utility Dive: Full industrial electrification could more than double US power demand. Here’s how renewables can meet it.


                                  Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                                  Are you looking to understand how artificial intelligence will shape the business of energy? Come network with utilities, top energy firms, startups, and AI experts at Transition-AI: New York on October 19. Our listeners get a 10% discount with the code pspods10.

                                  Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                                  Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com.

                                  51 min
                                • Beaming 24/7 solar… from space

                                  It’s the highest-intensity solar power you can get. It’s available 24/7. And you can send it anywhere on earth.

                                  All you need to do is launch a ten-by-ten kilometer array of solar panels into geosynchronous orbit, capture solar energy, and beam it to earth using a massive antenna array. Then set up a receiver a few kilometers in diameter on earth to collect that power and send it to the grid. 

                                  Sound like science fiction? You wouldn’t be far off (looking at you, Isaac Asimov). But the reality is that Caltech, the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, and the Japanese Space Agency are all working on the idea.

                                  Recent developments in space tech warrant some cautious optimism about space-based solar. Space X has pioneered reusable rockets that have dramatically reduced the cost of launches. And mass production of satellites has brought down the cost of hardware, too.

                                  So how would space-based solar actually work? And what would it take to commercialize it?

                                  In this episode, Shayle talks to Sanjay Vijendran, lead for the SOLARIS initiative on space-based solar power at the European Space Agency. He argues that space-based solar is much closer to commercialization than nuclear fusion, which garners a lot more attention and funding.

                                  They cover topics like:

                                  • The four main components: the launch, the solar panels, the antenna, and the receiver on earth
                                  • Where we need additional research, including beaming power at greater distance and scale, plus power beaming safety
                                  • What it might feel like if you stood under the beam
                                  • The target launch costs the industry would need to reach for viability
                                  • Pilot projects happening right now

                                  • Recommended Resources:

                                    • The Verge: Space-based solar power is having its moment in the sun
                                    • Science: Space-based solar power is getting serious—can it solve Earth’s energy woes?
                                    • Canary: Is space-based solar ready for liftoff?


                                      Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                                      Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                                      Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com.

                                      48 min
                                    • With Great Power: What other industries can teach utilities about innovation

                                      This week we’re bringing you a special crossover episode from With Great Power. It’s a show about one of the most complex machines ever built – the power grid. It’s a machine that’s changing faster than ever. With Great Power is about the people driving that change:

                                      A third of the world's largest companies now have net-zero targets in place for carbon emissions. Google was ahead of the curve. Back in 2007, it had already achieved its goal of going carbon neutral across all of its offices and data centers around the globe.

                                      But as demand for Google's services expanded, it knew that it had to overhaul its energy goals. At the time, Raiford Smith served as Google's global head of energy and location strategy. And part of his job was jump-starting this massive effort.

                                      In 2021, Google launched one of the most ambitious corporate energy strategies ever. And Raiford and his team made it possible.

                                      After a career spanning more than 30 years at utilities like Duke Energy, CPS, Entergy, and Southern company, and two years at Google, Raiford knows firsthand that change is possible at power companies.

                                      This week, Brad talked with Raiford, now the chief innovation officer at AES, about what's needed to spur tech innovation at utilities, and the technologies that will be integral to the energy transition.


                                      This podcast is produced by GridX. GridX is the Enterprise Rate Platform that modern utilities rely on to usher in our clean energy future.

                                      Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media.

                                      Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more.

                                      Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com. 

                                      29 min

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                                    A weekly podcast featuring veteran investor Shayle Kann interviewing experts about the state of the energy sector and the technologies powering decarbonization. 

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