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“Catch-Up Algorithmic Progress Might Actually be 60× per Year” by Aaron_Scher


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Epistemic status: This is a quick analysis that might have major mistakes. I currently think there is something real and important here. I’m sharing to elicit feedback and update others insofar as an update is in order, and to learn that I am wrong insofar as that's the case.

Summary

The canonical paper about Algorithmic Progress is by Ho et al. (2024) who find that, historically, the pre-training compute used to reach a particular level of AI capabilities decreases by about 3× each year. Their data covers 2012-2023 and is focused on pre-training.

In this post I look at AI models from 2023-2025 and find that, based on what I think is the most intuitive analysis, catch-up algorithmic progress (including post-training) over this period is something like 16×–60× each year.

This intuitive analysis involves drawing the best-fit line through models that are on the frontier of training-compute efficiency over time, i.e., those that use the least training compute of any model yet to reach or exceed some capability level. I combine Epoch AI's estimates of training compute with model capability scores from Artificial Analysis's Intelligence Index. Each capability level thus yields a slope from its fit line, and these [...]

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Outline:

(00:29) Summary

(02:37) What do I mean by 'algorithmic progress'?

(06:02) Methods and Results

(08:16) Sanity check: Qwen2.5-72B vs. Qwen3-30B-A3B

(10:09) Discussion

(10:12) How does this compare to the recent analysis in A Rosetta Stone for AI Benchmarks?

(14:47) How does this compare to other previous estimates of algorithmic progress

(17:44) How should we update on this analysis?

(20:13) Appendices

(20:17) Appendix: Filtering by different confidence levels of compute estimates

(20:24) All models

(20:45) Confident compute estimates

(21:07) Appendix: How fast is the cost of AI inference falling?

(23:56) Appendix: Histogram of 1 point buckets

(24:29) Appendix: Qwen2.5 and Qwen3 benchmark performance

(25:31) Appendix Leave-One-Out analysis

(27:08) Appendix: Limitations

(27:13) Outlier models

(29:41) Lack of early, weak models

(30:35) Post-training compute excluded

(31:17) Inference-time compute excluded

(32:16) Some AAII scores are estimates

(32:55) Comparing old and new models on the same benchmark

The original text contained 11 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

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First published:

December 24th, 2025

Source:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yXLqrpfFwBW5knpgc/catch-up-algorithmic-progress-might-actually-be-60-per-year

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