Michael talks to Benjamin Wachs, who under the pen name Caveat Magister is the author of "The Scene That Became Cities: What Burning Man Philosophy Can Teach Us about Building Better Communities." Michael spoke to him on the occasion of Burning Man 2023. Original air date 5 September 2023. The book was published on 25 June 2019. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com

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