In this episode of Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Joel Wayne sits down with Dr. Thomas White, President of Cedarville University, for a powerful conversation on leadership, calling, and the future of ministry in a changing world.

Dr. White unpacks why 85% of seminary graduates leave ministry within five years, the growing impact of AI on critical thinking and leadership, and how the next generation can stay grounded in biblical truth while leading with courage. Together, Joel and Dr. White explore what it means to lead with humility, resilience, and faithfulness in a culture that often rewards comparison and compromise.

Whether you’re a pastor, student, or leader navigating today’s challenges, this episode will inspire you to stand firm on the Word of God, lead with conviction, and serve with courage.

What you’ll learn:

• Why so many ministry leaders are burning out—and how to stay the course
• How to lead with humility and resilience in a critical culture
• What AI means for the future of education, ministry, and leadership
• Why your identity in Christ must anchor your calling
• How to raise up the next generation of spiritual leaders

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Learn More about Cedarville University: https://yellowjackets.cedarville.edu/

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