This episode plays host to ANN7 reporter, Jacob Zuma supporter, and self-described anarcho-communist Chelsea Lotz. Chelsea explains why she views both socialism and communism as models which should be followed to ensure a fair society. Jonathan questions the notion of equality given innate human differences, and Roman probes the guest on the suffering associated with political regimes which have a Marxist bent. Ms Lotz also expands on her views in relation to the President and his grace, Islam as a positive theocracy, and Vladimir Putin the anti-colonialist.