The war in Ukraine continues to be top of the agenda on the final day of the NATO summit. But China’s role in the conflict has also come under the spotlight. We speak to Larisa Brown, The Times’ Defence Editor who is covering the summit and Jim Townsend, who worked in the Pentagon for 35 years on NATO and European policy, about whether the military capabilities of NATO members are sufficient.

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