Little different episode for a Bachelor show that's...definitely different. Comedian and author Kate Casey — host of the podcast Reality Life with Kate Casey — joins us to help break down the franchise's frequently uncomfortable foray into the world of music, Listen To Your Heart. Will any of these stage hopefuls emerge with a legitimate music career? Can heartthrob Ryan hang with the likes of John Mayer? Is Michael Todd serious?

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Timestamps:

7:00 What we we expecting?

10:00 The franchise leaning in to the social media/"wrong reasons" aspect

13:00 Premise of LTYH

19:00 Early standouts

21:00 Is Michael Todd serious?

25:00 Ryan and Jamie date

33:00 Kate's rumor mill

34:00 Matt and Rudi

40:00 Bachelor transactions

43:00 Cocktail party

48:00 Rose ceremony

53:00 Misc. questions

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