In this conversation, David Swanson discusses his experiences as a pastor in Bronzeville, Chicago, and the role of protest within the Christian faith. He reflects on the importance of community engagement, the theological underpinnings of protest, and the connections between spiritual practices and activism. Swanson emphasizes the need for lament in protest, the significance of bearing witness, and offers guidance for those new to activism. He encourages Christians to participate in protests as an expression of their faith and to recognize the historical context of protest within Christianity.

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🌐David Swanson’s website

📝A Christian Theology of Protest: Bearing Faithful Witness in a Time of Unrest

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 I speak with Wes Granberg-Michelson about the essential link between spirituality and social justice in today's political climate, looking at the urgency for faith communities to act while remaining grounded in spiritual practices. Drawing from his book, "The Soul Work of Justice", Wes advocates for integrating deep prayer and reflection into our pursuit of justice, ultimately calling for a renewed approach that prioritizes faith and love in addressing societal challenges.

The Soulwork of Justice

Wes Granberg-Michaelson's website

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I engage with Pastor Anthony Robinson to discuss the contentious label of fascism in relation to Donald Trump's political rise. We look at Jonathan Rauch's essay, "Yes, It's Fascism," and explore the implications of such labels for American democracy. Robinson shares his evolving perspective, while I highlight the complexities of terminology and its potential to divide. 

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Yes, It’s Fascism

I Was Wrong

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 Rachel Pieh Jones joins to talk about the importance of potlucks in Minneapolis during a time of division. Drawing from her experiences in Djibouti and Somaliland, Rachel discusses how communal meals can bridge diverse communities and foster empathy, particularly amid the challenges faced by immigrant populations. 

Why Minneapolis Needs Potlucks Now

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Political commentator Matt Lewis joins the podcast to talk about the shifting relationship between character and politics from the 1990s to the present. We examine how character dynamics during the Bill Clinton era contrast with current debates surrounding Donald Trump. Matt shares personal insights from his background while reflecting on the moral dilemmas faced by Republicans and the implications for the evangelical community. 

Matt Lewis' website

Character Is Destiny article

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Dr. Paul Hoffman speaks about the intersection of faith and technology, especially artificial intelligence (AI). Dr. Hoffman discusses his recent book, "AI Shepherds and Electric Sheep," exploring how AI can both aid and hinder human flourishing from a theological perspective. We look at the implications of AI on community, embodiment, and the church's role in navigating these challenges.

AI Shepherds and Electric Sheep

Paul Hoffman Bio

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Lane Davis, an ordained minister and assistant professor of Church History, unpacks his insightful article, "How the Religious Left Ceded Power to the Religious Right." We explore Lane's journey from pastoral ministry to academia and discuss the historical decline of liberal Christianity's political influence. Lane reflects on pivotal moments, such as Pete Buttigieg’s candidacy, and critiques the assertion of a liberal Christianity resurgence under Biden. We analyze the historical dominance of mainline Protestantism, the rise of evangelical conservatism, and the existential crisis facing liberal churches today.

How the Religious Left Ceded Political Power to the Religious Right

America’s Vanishing Church

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In this special episode, we look at the tragic death of Rene Goode by an ICE agent in Minneapolis. Joined by pastor Eric Elkin, we address the emotional aftermath and the impact of immigration policies on community safety. Eric shares his frustrations with ICE operations and the narratives that dehumanize victims. We emphasize the faith community's role in advocating for justice while navigating feelings of division. I conclude by reflecting on the resurrection hope in the midst of rising authoritarianism.

Advent United Methodist website

Eric Elkin's website and podcast

Easter Means Hope, Not Optimism by Drew McIntyre

When ICE Comes to Town with Quincy Worthington

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In this episode, I chat with Brad Todd, a political commentator for CNN, about the significance of grace in our polarized society. We discuss the challenges of maintaining grace in civil discourse, the impact of recent political scandals, and the disconnect between clergy and congregants. Brad advocates for local initiatives that promote kindness and emphasizes that recognizing our shared humanity is essential for meaningful dialogue in divisive times.

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The What For Newsletter

Top Church and Main Episodes of 2025

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Episcopal priest and theologian Todd Brewer explores grace and charity through the contrasts of Roman and Christian gift-giving practices, Paul's perspective on charity, and reflects and the implications of these ideas for modern society.  

Reckless Charity and Infinite Grace

Notes From the Fragmented Ivory Tower

Terrible Parables Podcast

Go to Church Anyway.

Grace and Mercy in Ones and Zeroes

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