What happens when corrupt incentive structures and incorrect ecological assumptions crash into each other? A billion crabs vanish, and everyone blames it on the nebulous effects of a changing climate. Everyone, that is, except for Spencer Roberts - freelance journalist with bylines at the Intercept, Jacobin, Nautlius, and The New Republic. Roberts started looking into the hyperbolic headlines and discovered a predictable mess of corrupt incentive structures, questionable ecological practices, and a bottomless appetite for exploiting ever-deeper, colder waters. We talk greenwashing, corrupt incentives, government as corporation, nuclear power, and what to do about everything that's wrong.

PODCAST INFO:  Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Michael Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.

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