"We all have emotions that eventually bring us to self-awareness, if we let them. Beneath every curmudgeonly old soul is the ability to share a passion and appreciate something that makes us feel deeply…. It's true—climbing does not change you. But having a passion for something is what will." Kathy Karlo is a climber, writer, and the director of the website and podcast, both titled "For the Love of Climbing." In this episode, Karlo talks about her Alpinist 61 article, "Climbing Doesn't Change You," and how writing openly about vulnerability within the context of climbing can be a radical act.